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80% of the US self-identifies as Christian.
5% self-identifies as some other religion.
15% self-identify as atheist (and growing).

Who are those 15%?
90% of our Scientists
85% of our Philosophy scholars
80% of our History scholars

Clearly, stupid people in the habit of making uninformed decisions...
The more you study a particular religion, the less likely you are to subscribe to it.

Cite your source, please. Don't you know that 95% of all statistics are made up on the spot! :p

Let me take this in a whole different direction - the protection of small businesses. So someone comes into a small business to apply for a job and doesn't get it. They decide to sue for Sexual Orientation Discrimination and go get some deep-pocketed non-profit (like ACLU) to represent them. Let's not worry about the merits of the case right now, but look at another fact. Most small businesses would be DESTROYED financially just defending against case like this - even if they win in the end. Being involved in two small businesses, a suit like this would cause us to fold, eliminating 5 to 15 local jobs. So show me in the law the provision that protects small businesses from frivolous lawsuits or reimburses them in the case they win that suit.

See, I could care less what Apple, Google, Indiana University, or any other large entity says. They have the financial resources to bring in an army of lawyers to ensure compliance and to make the trouble go away. To me, it's just another layer of bureaucracy and another legal booby-trap that takes my time away from serving my customers.
 
I am all for gay rights and all.

But is this gay rights issue one for Tim Cook to work on while CEO of Apple, especially when he is on Apple's payroll and is supposed to be working on making profit for Apple's shareholders?

Shouldn't Tim Cook be working on this gay rights issue on his own time and expense?

If innovation under Tim Cooks at Apple means promoting gay rights, rather than actually making innovative products, then I think we are all in lots of trouble.
 
I am all for gay rights and all.

But is this gay rights issue one for Tim Cook to work on while CEO of Apple, especially when he is on Apple's payroll and is supposed to be working on making profit for Apple's shareholders?

Shouldn't Tim Cook be working on this gay rights issue on his own time and expense?

If innovation under Tim Cooks at Apple means promoting gay rights, rather than actually making innovative products, then I think we are all in lots of trouble.

Tim Cook can be politically active AND be at the head of innovative products at Apple at the same time. It can happen.
 
Tim Cook can be politically active AND be at the head of innovative products at Apple at the same time. It can happen.

Innovative like slapping plastic cases with different colors on the past year's phone and selling it as new?
 
Innovative like slapping plastic cases with different colors on the past year's phone and selling it as new?

You got me.

He did the 5c, ergo there has been 0 innovative things from Apple within Tim Cook's time as CEO.

/s
 
You got me.

He did the 5c, ergo there has been 0 innovative things from Apple within Tim Cook's time as CEO.

/s

He was riding on Steve Job's vision.

What innovative product has Tim Cook overseen AFTER Steve Job's passing?

ZERO. Absolutely ZERO.
 
He was riding on Steve Job's vision.

What innovative product has Tim Cook overseen AFTER Steve Job's passing?

ZERO. Absolutely ZERO.

Best implementation of a fingerprint scanner on a mobile device in the world ever?
 
Sadly it isn't expected to pass in the house. Our two-party system is nothing but roadblocks.

Actually, these "roadblocks" are intentional and very necessary. Without them, we would end up in a situation where one party controls everything.

The problem that I see is that this bill does not provide enough protection for religious institutions, something that unfortunately seems to be a common theme these days.

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Best implementation of a fingerprint scanner on a mobile device in the world ever?

This is not innovative, it is simply improving on older technology. Innovative would be coming up with new features that are unique and never been done in any piece of consumer technology before, especially not in a cell phone.
 
Actually, these "roadblocks" are intentional and very necessary. Without them, we would end up in a situation where one party controls everything.

The problem that I see is that this bill does not provide enough protection for religious institutions, something that unfortunately seems to be a common theme these days.

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This is not innovative, it is simply improving on older technology. Innovative would be coming up with new features that are unique and never been done in any piece of consumer technology before, especially not in a cell phone.

If that's the case, then Steve Jobs barely did anything innovative.
 
Yes let's shut this down so we can continue to take our morality cues from the folklore of a bunch of sheepherders that lived 2000 years ago. Actually, we'll pick and choose which cues to follow. Shellfish? Clothes of mixed fibers? I guess those are okay. Christianity can not disappear fast enough... Religion is an absolute blight on our society. Humans have invented over 10,000 Gods in our history but people are so foolish to believe that their chosen deity is real. Pathetic.
 
Actually, these "roadblocks" are intentional and very necessary. Without them, we would end up in a situation where one party controls everything.

The problem that I see is that this bill does not provide enough protection for religious institutions, something that unfortunately seems to be a common theme these days.

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This is not innovative, it is simply improving on older technology. Innovative would be coming up with new features that are unique and never been done in a phone before.

But that's what Apple have always done. Pretty much every feature on an iPhone or iPad (including the hardware itself) has been done before by other companies, just not as well. That is an innovation. Just slapping something on because it's new isn't innovative.
 
Actually, in the 14th Century they did care. It was a crime, in some cases a capital offense.

And yet in the early 16th century the Vatican paid a rampant homo to paint the ceiling of the Sistine chapel in Vatican City. Clearly they didn't give a **** about homosexuality at that time. Otherwise why would they have let a rampant homo paint such a high profile religious building?

Additionally Michelangelo isn't exactly a low profile figure so plenty of other people didn't care either.

It might well be that at certain other points roughly around that time that homosexuals were persecuted. And that certainly seems to have been the case in the 19th and early 20th centuries. But there hasn't been any continuity to it.
 
I feel that passing the law in the Senate is kind of moot since the Speaker in the House is refusing to even bring it to the floor for a vote. The Tea Party is adamantly against this sort of thing, and they pretty much own the Speaker.
 
Where did Jesus say that being gay was a sin?

And the only person in the New Testament who might* have said something against gays was Paul.

* it largely depends on what you think a word in Greek that isn't used elsewhere and translates literally as "man-bed" means.
 
Oh just go and put on a sack cloth vest and flail yourself. It all depends on your definition of sin. Yours seems to be "anything that makes you happy", mine is more along the lines of "anything that causes harm or distress to another human being".

Lets take lying as an example. Have you never lied?
 
I am all for gay rights and all.

But is this gay rights issue one for Tim Cook to work on while CEO of Apple, especially when he is on Apple's payroll and is supposed to be working on making profit for Apple's shareholders?

Shouldn't Tim Cook be working on this gay rights issue on his own time and expense?

If innovation under Tim Cooks at Apple means promoting gay rights, rather than actually making innovative products, then I think we are all in lots of trouble.

So a CEO has no interest in the progression of worker's rights or building Apple's brand as a fair and progressive employer? :confused:
 
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LOL. The headline makes it sound like lobbying was involved.

Not that I would be surprised either way.

And don't get me wrong, I'm not hetero...
 
Because a CEO has no interest in the progression of worker's rights or building Apple's brand as a fair and progressive employer. :confused:

IBM have been a progressive employer since the 1930's if not earlier. So there is precedent.
 
And the only person in the New Testament who might* have said something against gays was Paul.

* it largely depends on what you think a word in Greek that isn't used elsewhere and translates literally as "man-bed" means.

There are lots of things which Jesus doesn't expressly forbid in scripture.

Jesus was an orthodox Jew. He did reveal which parts of the Mosaic law were no longer binding. This is why Christians don't worry about mixed fibres, shellfish or other such matters. He didn't free mankind from the teachings on sexual morality.

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Lets use the example of you saying homosexuality is a sin, as a lie.

I don't believe homosexuality IS a sin.
 
There are lots of things which Jesus doesn't expressly forbid in scripture.

Jesus was an orthodox Jew. He did reveal which parts of the Mosaic law were no longer binding. This is why Christians don't worry about mixed fibres, shellfish or other such matters. He didn't free mankind from the teachings on sexual morality.

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I don't believe homosexuality IS a sin.

Where did he list the things that he freed humanity from? I'd like a specific list somewhere in the Bible.
 
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