I don't think a gay person would want to work for a religious organisation that was anti-gay - there are plenty of pro-gay religious organisations. I also doubt a butcher would choose to work for PETA but the fact is, as had been reiterated over and over ad nauseam: the butcher chose to be a butcher.
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I don't think a gay person would want to work for a religious organisation that was anti-gay - there are plenty of pro-gay religious organisations. I also doubt a butcher would choose to work for PETA but the fact is, as had been reiterated over and over ad nauseam: the butcher chose to be a butcher.
Most religions are pro gay people.
They are just against gay sexual activities.
I think it is a crying shame that so many people seek to define themselves based on what should really be private.
Which is trumped by other human rights such as equal rights for homosexuals, women etc.
Which was his point.
In Europe.
Just because someone is gay does not mean they are not Catholic. There are plenty of Catholics that commit murder, robbery, and other sins.
My main point was to offer the people behind the bill to show lots of real, informative statistics...that would show a NEED to create such a law.
The Sistine chapel dates from that sort of time and it was painted by a rampant homosexual. So in the 14th century no one really cared.
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If an atheist wants to clean a church why shouldn't they get the job if they do the best job?
Think we need a breather.
If you really are Christian, prove it, and sign up to
https://www.facebook.com/jesuslovesgays
If you really are Christian, prove it, and sign up to
https://www.facebook.com/jesuslovesgays
So straight people should no longer be able to talk about the wife and kids to coworkers. No pics of the family on their desk. No wedding rings on their hands in public. They shouldn't be seen in public as a couple.
Supposed to be private right?
If you believe that, why has no religious group tried to over turn the many laws which prohibit discrimination here in Europe?
The French Government recently passed laws to allow gay marriage, why was no use made of your so called Human Rights of religion to block this.
The rights to religious beliefs, are always suspended when those rights infringe on the rights of others to go about their lawful lives.
It changes constantly, because people like you prefer "personal truth" and not "universal truth".
Read Leviticus again and try telling yourself it's all unchanging "truth". Condoning slavery, the sale of your daughter, beating people, stoning kids to death, and persecuting gays. That's what you're relying on to justify your actions. No change in any of that?
Religion sets an extremely low bar for morality & ethics. This isn't the Bronze Age. Our #1 goal isn't breeding more people. More and better is expected of you.
These laws don't force employers to hire anyone.
The laws make it illegal to discriminate because of race, religion, gender, age, etc.
Employers can discriminate and choose their employees on any number of factors ... just not those.
Those are two different things entirely. Until that point is understood, you'll continue to build a straw man argument based on a false assumption.
And that's not a good foundation for an argument.
That was not the point I was making.
...and that is a staggeringly enormous leap you just made. Please study some history.
Actually, in the 14th Century they did care. It was a crime, in some cases a capital offense. It is still a capital offense in many countries of the world today. Homosexuality is a criminal act in many countries to this day. It was considered a mental disorder until late in the 20th Century in the United States and Europe. Alan Turning (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Turing), legitimately the father of computational computing and Artificial Intelligence, was prosecuted as a homosexual in Britain in 1952, found guilty and was subjected to painful chemical castration. He committed suicide in 1954.
Religious "Freedom" should never be an umbrella to protect immoral behavior, abusive or morally reprehensible behavior to any other person - those have been the arguments of the bigoted, the hateful, the racist, the people who thought woman were not equal to men, that thought others, including children, were property.
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." (Edmund Burke)
Or, to stand by and say nothing.
But that's the whole point. This is about not being able to discriminate against someone just because they happen to be gay. They may appear in looks, mannerisms, clothing, ability to do the job as every straight person in the organisation. They might not talk about their sexual orientation at work. But if their boss were to find out that person was gay and for no other reason than the fact that person was gay, fire them, that would be discriminatory.
I do not "seek" to be defined by my sexual orientation, neither do I hide from it.
I do not feel the need to inform every person I meet that I am gay, nor do I deny the fact if asked.
I am not "proud" to be gay, nor am I ashamed. it's just who I am.
I want to be judged on my personality, not the fact I happen to be in a perfectly happy, monogamous, long term relationship with another guy.
You are a bigot.
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I don't agree with discriminating against anyone. I think we are all entitled to be treated with dignity and respect.
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Jesus consorted with all manner of sinners. He did ask them to "go and sin no more"
No, it's protecting the majority from a law based in religion. Because just as you have your protection to practice your religion, I should have my protection to not have to.
Some laws?
No, to be honest, I don't think you should be able to. People act like homosexuality is completely a choice. And those people who do say that, tell me when you chose your sexuality. Tell me when you, if you're a straight man, decided that you were going to be aroused by women. Was it when you were younger? Was it in your teens? When did you consciously decide that women aroused you?
Marriage is not a biological construct, it's a social one.
Interestingly...
The APA up until the mid 70's (maybe 80's, can't remember) held that homosexuality was a brain "defect." Mainly, a condition to be treated. Why did they stop pursuing that? No one knows... There was a large donation of money to the APA and all study of it immediately ceased.
I really don't understand why there is this big deal about it - yes, there are people who are born that way. The bigger is why are we just ok with saying they were born that way? It's clearly a disorder in the brain - human sexuality is (religiously or evolutionarily, whichever you prefer) meant for procreation. A gay couple can't procreate so obviously there's a reason for that. Being gay is like having ADD - it's a mental disorder that changes the way the brain behaves. It's really just another disorder like all the others except rather than study it and realize how to correct this disorder we'd rather go around and say people are fine the way they are and deal with it otherwise you're a bigot. Speaking of... I find it rather intresting that the people who go around saying everyone should be equal and respected are, 99% of the time, the first ones to go around screaming "bigot" or "homophobe" just people someone disagrees with you on a social issue. It's quite a paradox...
The APA up until the mid 70's (maybe 80's, can't remember) held that homosexuality was a brain "defect." Mainly, a condition to be treated. Why did they stop pursuing that? No one knows... There was a large donation of money to the APA and all study of it immediately ceased.
I really don't understand why there is this big deal about it - yes, there are people who are born that way. The bigger is why are we just ok with saying they were born that way? It's clearly a disorder in the brain - human sexuality is (religiously or evolutionarily, whichever you prefer) meant for procreation. A gay couple can't procreate so obviously there's a reason for that. Being gay is like having ADD - it's a mental disorder that changes the way the brain behaves. It's really just another disorder like all the others except rather than study it and realize how to correct this disorder we'd rather go around and say people are fine the way they are and deal with it otherwise you're a bigot. Speaking of... I find it rather intresting that the people who go around saying everyone should be equal and respected are, 99% of the time, the first ones to go around screaming "bigot" or "homophobe" just people someone disagrees with you on a social issue. It's quite a paradox...
I won't. Atheism is stupid.
80% of the US self-identifies as Christian.
5% self-identifies as some other religion.
15% self-identify as atheist (and growing).
Who are those 15%?
90% of our Scientists
85% of our Philosophy scholars
80% of our History scholars
Clearly, stupid people in the habit of making uninformed decisions...
The more you study a particular religion, the less likely you are to subscribe to it.
Amazing to see some of the ignorance demonstrated in this thread. Reminds me of "TWO FOUR SIX EIGHT WE DON'T WANNA INTEGRATE!!". People in 40 years will be looking back at this and laughing at how stupid people were.