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No it's not fine. Lesson time: Analogies actually have to be alike in some way. You can't just say "this is like" and have it be true.

Let's look at the Leaf vs Frontier. The Leaf has physical characteristics that make it far less capable than a Frontier (even if a trailer hitch was added). The same is not true of the iPhone vs the Mac. If artificial restrictions were removed (i.e., not including a trailer hitch, or limiting apps to the app store) the iPhone would outperform some Macs. No similarity, so the analogy isn't applicable.

So let's try a different angle. Let's a assume you added a trailer hitch to a Leaf and it could tow small loads. The Frontier could tow whatever the Leaf tows, plus much larger loads as well. This could be similar to the iPhone running iPhone apps, and the Mac running both Mac and iPhone apps. However if you go back to the Leaf with the trailer hitch and say it can only tow Nissan branded trailers for "safety" purposes, while the Frontier can tow any brand; that would make no sense. So the analogy couldn't be used to support the idea that iPhone apps must be restricted to the App store for "security" purposes.

The Leaf vs Frontier analogy is bad because it bears no similarity to iPhone vs Mac. Different tools for different jobs? You'd be annoyed if your tools were artificially limited too. Instead of adding more bad analogies to the pile, why not try to explain why the first one fits if you think it's so good?

PS: Whether you agree with Apple's position or not should have no bearing on whether you think an analogy is good. A poorly written point is still poorly written even if you support the position they are trying to argue. Similarly, someone can make a good point that you disagree with. I've posted this in the odd chance that someone might actually try to generate better analogies in the future, but I'm not going to waste more time on it, unless someone makes a solid point.
They are alike. Each Product has different intended purposes.

The iPhone is not a computer just like a leaf is not a truck.* Nissan doesn’t sell a hitch with the LEAF just like Apple doesn’t sell an iPhone with side-loading of apps.

You can add a hitch to a LEAF and you can modify an iPhone to run other apps. That doesn’t change that both Nissan and Apple want you to buy both if you want to do the things both are designed for. They won’t stop you from modifying what you purchased.

The analogy remains good.

* Apple’s marketing for the iPad was ‘what’s a computer‘ not 'it’s a computer'. Their point was for most people they don't need a computer, not that the iPad is a computer.
 
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"The Senate passed a $1 trillion bipartisan infrastructure plan Tuesday, a huge step for Democrats as they try to push President Joe Biden’s sweeping economic agenda through Congress. The legislation, which includes $550 billion in new funding for transportation, broadband and utilities, got through in a 69-30 vote, as 19 Republicans joined all 50 Democrats."

Oof. Much like infrastructure, this is a highly bipartisan issue.

Ask yourself this question: if infrastructure is really bipartisan, why didn't a significant infrastructure bill pass during the prior administration?
 
A simpler solution is for you to simply opt out of downloading those apps. It even requires zero effort on your part.
Nope. That adds effort. When people search the App Store for that app it might not be there. If it’s not in the App Store with the same features at the same price then it shouldn’t be available outside the App Store either. If it’s on the App Store for the same price and the same features then it doesn’t need to be sideloaded.

It makes no sense because all side-loading would do is increase the amount of money a developer makes. Neither Apple nor Customers benefit from that.
 
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I’m not proving anything. What you’re saying is the hope, not the reality. We would hope that sideloading mirrors macOS, although on macOS you are still free to install what you like. Just look at the circus show of sideloading on Android. You can install literally anything, but with a warning prompt. But even if apps are code-signed, Apple will not be reviewing these apps as they would had they gone through the App Store process.
...which is the point.

I don't know of a full-featured, language-agnostic code editor on the iPad right now because last I knew Apple doesn't want people executing code — even if it’s their own — that came from a Git repository.

If you want to run Visual Studio Code on an iPad, for example, have fun setting up code-server on an actual computer so you can do work on the iPad. Or use Swift Playgrounds. Neat!
 
This is just sad. Third-party app stores sound like a great way to get the malware. Say goodbye to privacy and security. :(

Our privacy will be on the line and we will be exposed to the malware. I really hope Apple will find a way to stop this. The government should really stay out of this.
So much "sky is falling" mentality. How will YOUR privacy be affected if you stick with apps from the App Store? Or get an app from Adobe or any legit software company that chooses to sell their product through their portal instead of Apple's? It's not just Apple or the dark web.
 
Odd analogy. I’d actually love a hitch on my Leaf, not to tow an RV but to be able to bring a few sheets of drywall home from Home Depot
Just because you would use it correctly, doesn't mean some idiot would try and pull a 30,000 pound trailer, then get mad Nissan for their car breaking down. "If you didn't want me towing that much weight, then why did you put support for it?"
 
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Ask yourself this question: if infrastructure is really bipartisan, why didn't a significant infrastructure bill pass during the prior administration?
Are you seriously arguing against the hard data sitting right in front of your face? Nineteen Republicans joined Democrats to pass that bill and evidence so far points to this bill being on that same kind of path. And not that it matters here, but an otherwise agreed upon infrastructure bill didn't pass under Trump because Congress couldn't agree how to pay for it.
 
So much "sky is falling" mentality. How will YOUR privacy be affected if you stick with apps from the App Store? Or get an app from Adobe or any legit software company that chooses to sell their product through their portal instead of Apple's? It's not just Apple or the dark web.
Apps that could be on the App Store won’t be. I’ll have to provide information to the developer and that’s how my privacy will be affected. It’s not that the developer doesn’t need to know who buys their software it’s that they shouldn’t know.
 
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Ok, so let's assume that this is passed and Apple has to open this up then I see a number of possibilities.
1) Apple gets deluged with lawsuits after people's iPhones get riddled with malware.
2) Apple still gets hit with lots of lawsuits even after they have warned you about the risks and you have made a positive decision to allow sideloading.
Either way, Apple loses even if eventually all the cases get dismissed.
and the stock price takes a huge hit.

I hope that the choice ( if there is one) is secured so that it stops any stolen phones from being contaminated.
 
Nope. That adds effort. When people search the App Store for that app it might not be there. If it’s not in the App Store with the same features at the same price then it shouldn’t be available outside the App Store either. If it’s on the App Store for the same price and the same features then it doesn’t need to be sideloaded.

It makes no sense because all side-loading would do is increase the amount of money a developer makes. Neither Apple nor Customers benefit from that.
Rule of thumb, nobody’s going to make big money off of sideloading. Users are too used to using the App Store, so it’s akin to teaching an old dog new tricks. It’s the same reason why companies, including Epic Games, that have tried to go the sideloading route on Android have often reversed course.

The business proposition for opening up sideloading is poor, but it would be an option that’s better than nothing for companies who aren’t currently able to release an app due to some ******** App Store rule. And it’s certainly better than nothing for free utilities that aren’t able to exist right now on iOS.
 
Rule of thumb, nobody’s going to make big money off of sideloading. Users are too used to using the App Store, so it’s akin to teaching an old dog new tricks. It’s the same reason why companies, including Epic Games, that have tried to go the sideloading route on Android have often reversed course.

The business proposition for opening up sideloading is poor, but it would be an option that’s better than nothing for companies who aren’t currently able to release an app due to some ******** App Store rule. And it’s certainly better than nothing for free utilities that aren’t able to exist right now on iOS.
But if they can’t release it on the App Store they have no business releasing it outside of the App Store.
 
I find myself fairly torn. This is Apple's platform that they've built. Is it a monopoly? Kind of? Except that there really is healthy competition. Consumers can choose excellent Android devices that allow sideloading. Even jailbreaking has significantly lost interest to consumers. Consumers don't appear to be foaming at the mouth to sideload apps; though many would if given the opportunity.

There are differences between iOS and Android that are much greater than allowing sideloading imo. I don't view this as a real choice, as you will be giving up those other things as well. Especially if you are heavily invested in the Apple ecosystem.

I consider Android and iOS as separate app markets. Customers are rarely going to switch platforms just to get an app. If a developer wants to reach the market of iOS users, they have to develop an app for iOS. If they want to reach the market of Android users, they have to release an Android app. Apple initially added the App Store because they simply couldn't develop every app imaginable for the platform and web apps weren't good enough. At the time when Apple said they'd be happy to break even on the App Store, their position on app security seemed more justified.

Now that there is a flourishing ecosystem of apps (developed by third parties) and an active install base on par with Windows 10+11, Apple seems increasingly focused on monetizing the App Store as their services revenue is their biggest driver of growth. In addition to app store fees, Apple is more often third party apps at disadvantage to their own services. Security may be a byproduct of some of their decisions, but it is not the primary motivating factor.
 
The real reason is the NTSB has an issue with EVs being manufactured with trailer hitches. Something about they don’t want the battery to get punctured, which doesn’t seem to be a concern in Europe where they are allowed. (I hope they solve this hang up before electric pickup trucks come on the maket) I went though the same thing with my Cayenne Hybrid. I ended up just buying a hitch assembly and wiring harness from a regular Cayenne of the same year, put in a few hours of light work and called it a day. If a Nissan Leaf owner wanted to tow something, they could “side-load” one of several third-party aftermarket hitch assemblies for under $400 made specifically for their car.

I know this is a divergence from your point on analogies which is valid, but I invested a lot in personal research on the subject and just wanted to share ;)

Thanks, I appreciated that information.
 
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But if they can’t release it on the App Store they have no business releasing it outside of the App Store.
Nonsense. See above a case I covered where Apple doesn’t want users downloading code that they wrote themselves from a Git repository and then executing it by way of a modern code editor.

The iPad’s a great computer if you like drawing ****, I guess.
 
There are differences between iOS and Android that are much greater than allowing sideloading imo. I don't view this as a real choice, as you will be giving up those other things as well. Especially if you are heavily invested in the Apple ecosystem.

A very important point.

It's extremely consumer hostile (not something anyone should want) to have the only "choice" be to completely uproot your digital life and switch platforms. That's a big part of why this type of legislation is gaining traction.

The consumer "choices" here aren't really choices in a way that's desirable.

This isn't picking one brand of milk vs the other
 
In addition to app store fees, Apple is more often third party apps at disadvantage to their own services. Security may be a byproduct of some of their decisions, but it is not the primary motivating factor.
What third party apps are at a disadvantage? Certainly not the apps released by the companies that are complaining the most about the App Store. Epic? Microsoft? Spotify? Tinder? None of those companies qualify as being disadvantaged versus Apple 1st party services or apps.
 
Wonder if all the side loading politicians will take responsibility when corrupt programs start harming the users?
 
This is just sad. Third-party app stores sound like a great way to get the malware. Say goodbye to privacy and security. :(

Our privacy will be on the line and we will be exposed to the malware. I really hope Apple will find a way to stop this. The government should really stay out of this.
You know you don’t HAVE to use them if you don’t want to, right?
In fact I reckon even if Apple caves in 99% of iPhone users will still go through the App Store.
 
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