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Donnie, the moron in the White House, will not sign any legislation to overturn the FCC's repeal of net neutrality because it represents one more success of President Obama, and he is so vindictive over the birther issue that he will do his darnedest to remove / overturn everything President Obama did.
 
I still do not understand how a political issue which 90% of Americans do not agree with gets forced upon us.

Once again, the big corporations continue to have their way. Keep filling up that swamp.
Show me the money :D

But yes, I agree wholeheartedly
 
Write, call, 10X a day. Make sure they understand you will vote them out. No threats, or name calling. Just remind them of what going back to being a Simple Folk will be like. :apple:
 
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It should be 99.99% but people are easily confused.

I understand why NN is important for the health of the Internet, competition, and users. But it very, very easy to lead people astray.

ISPs giving away things like Netflix or Spotify and not counting its use against your data plan, well that's also a violation of net neutrality (preferential services, charging more for other services). But getting something free is very tangible, and taking it away can have a very direct effect like a higher monthly bill for more data.

You can argue that if one service is free, then by definition all other services are getting charged more, and it would be hard for a future service to compete against free. But that's not a very powerful argument to someone getting something they like "for free". It's too speculative and intangible.
 
Settle down. This was for campaign ads only. It's not going to go any further. House does not support it, doubt president does either or FCC would not have repealed in the first place.

Trump will slap his big ugly signature on anything they put in front of him. If it gets through the House, he'll sign it.
 
It's always insulting to me when the giant ISPs would say that "they would not throttle, block, or destroy competitors." It's like telling a lion not to devour a wildebeest, never gonna happen.
 
People would be up in arms if utility companies started adding on extra charges depending on what you use the resource for. Extra $5 for using dish washer, 4k TV for example.

Strangely, some people are quite happy in letting ISPs do just this for data usage. Odd.

Each bit of data should be equal, not matter what it is used for.

Actually the process in place and ramping up on electricity use. The electrical utility installed smart meters here, which have the ability to read individual device useage. Your example, dishwasher. Additionally they can monitor per time of day use thus, charging different prices by time and device. All transmitted wirelessly 24/7. The dishwasher already a reality. Run the dishwasher during peak electrical times or more then once per day, pay more. Up in arms Yes, did it change anything, No. Technology can be a catch 22.
 
This is great news. There's not going to be a signed law or anything, but it makes me happy that there are some people fighting for us.
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Actually the process in place and ramping up on electricity use. The electrical utility installed smart meters here, which have the ability to read individual device useage. Your example, dishwasher. Additionally they can monitor per time of day use thus, charging different prices by time and device. All transmitted wirelessly 24/7. The dishwasher already a reality. Run the dishwasher during peak electrical times or more then once per day, pay more. Up in arms Yes, did it change anything, No. Technology can be a catch 22.

There's a distinction here, though. In one case, a utility is charging more because of limited capacity during the day. This helps keep prices down, and generally helps society use energy when it's the best time to do so. In the internet case, the utility is charging more because they can. They can use this pricing to favor some entities and harm other entities. This prevents otherwise viable competition. For example, they can charge more for Netflix so Netflix's pricing goes up, making the cable company a more viable competitor.

The distinction is that in one case, a utility is charging more because it costs them more; in the other case, a utility is charging more for whatever reason they choose.
 
It's always insulting to me when the giant ISPs would say that "they would not throttle, block, or destroy competitors." It's like telling a lion not to devour a wildebeest, never gonna happen.

I think it's more likely that they will offer faster speeds to those that pay a fee making those that don't pay feel a lot slower.
 
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Net Neutrality is dumb because it forces businesses to operate a certain way, thus illuminating the incentive to innovate and improve technology. Hope it doesn't come back.
 
Man, once we flush this filthy administration out of our government we’re going to have sooooo much work to do to reverse all their damage and restore order. Get out and vote blue this November folks!
Man this is so true. It's sad so many people are gullible and support Trump and the GOP.
Hopefully this will be the start of something better. USA is in a bad moment right now on so many fronts.
 
This is great news. There's not going to be a signed law or anything, but it makes me happy that there are some people fighting for us.
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There's a distinction here, though. In one case, a utility is charging more because of limited capacity during the day. This helps keep prices down, and generally helps society use energy when it's the best time to do so. In the internet case, the utility is charging more because they can. They can use this pricing to favor some entities and harm other entities. This prevents otherwise viable competition. For example, they can charge more for Netflix so Netflix's pricing goes up, making the cable company a more viable competitor.

The distinction is that in one case, a utility is charging more because it costs them more; in the other case, a utility is charging more for whatever reason they choose.

If you listen to the cable companies, they use your exact same argument. Peak times, data usage out pacing their resources, cost to them risng for infrastructure to handle the increase demand. Thus, those using their network at certain times and heavy data users will need to pay more for their access. If they do not pay, no access just like if I do not pay, no electricity. I see No difference.
 
The House won’t let this get to the president’s desk. Even if it does, it will be vetoed. And even if the bill comes to that, judging by this 52-47 vote, the Senate clearly doesn’t have a 2/3 majority to override the veto.

And you know what? At the end of the day, you won’t see ONE DAMN THING change whether this bill passes or not. And that’s a good thing.
 
If you listen to the cable companies, they use your exact same argument. Peak times, data usage out pacing their resources, cost to them risng for infrastructure to handle the increase demand. Thus, those using their network at certain times and heavy data users will need to pay more for their access. If they do not pay, no access just like if I do not pay, no electricity. I see No difference.

I get what you're saying, but I still see a difference.
 
Actually the process in place and ramping up on electricity use. The electrical utility installed smart meters here, which have the ability to read individual device useage. Your example, dishwasher. Additionally they can monitor per time of day use thus, charging different prices by time and device. All transmitted wirelessly 24/7. The dishwasher already a reality. Run the dishwasher during peak electrical times or more then once per day, pay more. Up in arms Yes, did it change anything, No. Technology can be a catch 22.
No. You're charged more (per watt) for usage during peak hours. You're not charged differently for running a dishwasher instead of something else. Or are you? At least not anywhere I've seen. The meters on individual appliances are for helping you figure out what's wasting your electricity.
 
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Anything that seeks to educate the people, or expose their crimes, MUST BE STOPPED at all costs.

DeVoss has been hard at work killing meaningful and productive education. Why just the other day she appointed the dean from Devos to a position to police 'colleges' *cough* *cough* that promise amazing jobs and happy happy joy joy after being saddled with their debt, and non-transferable 'credits'.

Trying to get ahead in this environment means drinking hard on the Kool-Aid, and puckering up to kiss trump's Holy Ass!

There are worse things that dying. Really...
 
There's a distinction here, though. In one case, a utility is charging more because of limited capacity during the day. This helps keep prices down, and generally helps society use energy when it's the best time to do so. In the internet case, the utility is charging more because they can. They can use this pricing to favor some entities and harm other entities. This prevents otherwise viable competition. For example, they can charge more for Netflix so Netflix's pricing goes up, making the cable company a more viable competitor.

The distinction is that in one case, a utility is charging more because it costs them more; in the other case, a utility is charging more for whatever reason they choose.
None of this has anything to do with net neutrality. It's about charging the same per data amount regardless of what you're using it for. They can charge whatever they want and still be upholding NN as long as they don't discriminate by what's in the packets.
 
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