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Enough with that “they’re all the same” garbage. This wouldn’t be happening under Democratic leadership.
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And yet only 3 Republicans in the senate voted to restore net neutrality. You have to be purposely blind to insinuate that both parties are the same.

They are the same in the sense that they are both corporate whores to their donors. They just have different overloards. You’re being deliberately deceitful if you’re suggesting the democrats aren’t also bought and paid for on a lot of issues. George Soros likely owns a small handful of them himself.
 
Well, since this hasn't affected me one iota, I don't really care what they do or don't do about it. I think most of this is just fear mongering for political purposes.
 
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Bernie says internet is a God given right! So are food, water, housing, healthcare, and cellphones! Vote for Bernie! Free stuff!

Pretty silly attempt at trolling here. Neither Bernie nor his supporters suggest anything be free. We pay pretty high taxes. That money should go to public good instead of making the rich richer. Not a radical idea.
 
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Enough with that “they’re all the same” garbage. This wouldn’t be happening under Democratic leadership.
I didn't say they're all the same. I said one party is toast. "Wouldn't be happening" doesn't matter because they ruined their chances and alienated their voter base by getting distracted with less important issues. And so did the media. Trump should've lost. I wouldn't even call him a Republican before the election, but now Republicans have sided with him.

Btw, the Democrats suck WRT every issue except this one and the environment. It seems like everything they do is an attempt to discourage people from working and follow Europe's example of how to stagnate previously the most powerful countries in the world. You know you're doing something wrong when you need help from an ally across the world to defend against a crap-tier country like Russia.
 
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They are the same in the sense that they are both corporate whores to their donors. They just have different overloards. You’re being deliberately deceitful if you’re suggesting the democrats aren’t also bought and paid for on a lot of issues. George Soros likely owns a small handful of them himself.
Go move to Russia if you think that's how it is here, cause that's definitely how it is there. Honestly things have been relatively great here for a long time, and we don't need the negativity.
 
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Lol!

Both parties are just owned by different groups of corporations.

This is the excuse for not bothering with politics and that used to be the reality when the nation was more centrist. The only issue both parties agree on today is funding defense as much as possible. Dems are in favor of net neutrality and the GOP is against it. I don’t care if Google is funding their stance on NN. I just don’t want it repealed.
 
Go move to Russia if you think that's how it is here, cause that's definitely how it is there. Honestly things have been relatively great here for a long time, and we don't need the negativity.

You're right about us not needing the negativity. I agree we need to unite more on our similarities and we need to be less hostile to our brothers and sisters who disagree with us on issues we have absolutely no control over so that we can work on the issues we do have some control over.
 
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Smart meters normally can’t record the specific energy use per appliance. They just record the total quantity of electricity used and time.

Recording specific appliance energy use would require a device at the plug point / the appliance being able to record energy use and communicate that.

Not so much, they are smart, use signatures, then charge you:
https://blog.sense.com/articles/how-does-sense-detect-my-devices/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=&utm_content=&utm_term=+smart +electric +meter&utm_device=t&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIpufNq8KL2wIVE73sCh0Y_AtBEAAYASABEgJrd_D_BwE
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Well that sucks. Maybe you can trick them into thinking your oven is something else.
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Screw that. I'd rather see the toast Democrat party replaced by something else. Trump needs to go, but they don't offer anything better, and they threw their credibility down the toilet.
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I've had to call customer support a couple of times, and they dealt with everything easily.
No they are smart, use signatures:
https://blog.sense.com/articles/how-does-sense-detect-my-devices/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=&utm_content=&utm_term=+smart +electric +meter&utm_device=t&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIpufNq8KL2wIVE73sCh0Y_AtBEAAYASABEgJrd_D_BwE
 
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The Senate is sane; the House is nuts.

This is because the districts are heavily gerrymandered from Operation REDMAP. Pennsylvania’s was found to be unconstitutional. You could say it was rigged. The purpose is to draw maps in a way that ensures that a majority where that party organically would be a minority. Both parties have done it but the GOP perfected it back in 2010. When these seats are not competitive they tend to move far away from the center and become very difficult to flip.

Gerrymandering combined with the Koch Brothers funded Tea Party and Fox News propaganda led us to where we are today.
This is why Obama had to govern by executive order for nearly everything in his 2nd term. It was not so much about ideology as it was undermining him whenever possible.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/fivethirtyeight.com/features/pennsylvanias-new-map-helps-democrats-but-its-not-a-democratic-gerrymander/amp/

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/REDMAP
 
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Sadly, 90% of Americans don’t support NN. WAY too many Americans don’t understand the issue at all.

Way too many American don’t understand much of anything these days! These days American politics isn’t about making good decisions. It’s about each side trying to manipulate the dumb dumbs into pushing the button for their side. No wonder the country is crumbling.
 
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Sadly this faces an uphill fight in the House and even if the House were to pass it then it would have virtually no chance of being signed into law by the President. That’s the danger of enacting policy via regulation instead of enacting policy via a law. That which can be done via regulation can also be undone through regulation when the political winds shift as they inevitably always do.

I doubt this is an issue most voters care about but if I were a tech company with a ton of money like Apple, Google, Amazon, Netflix, etc I’d be spending hundreds of millions on issue advocacy adds in this next election cycle. Consumers may not care about the concept of net neutrality but they will definitely care that greedy cable companies are being allowed to make cord cutting more expensive for consumers by holding content providers hostage.

If I were king for a day I’d enact a law that allowed a company to be an ISP or content creator/distributer but not both. You can either provide the pipes to access content or the content itself but providing both without serious government regulation is an inherent conflict of interest.
 
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Way too many American don’t understand much of anything these days! These days American politics isn’t about making good decisions. It’s about each side trying to manipulate the dumb dumbs into pushing the button for their side. No wonder the country is crumbling.
Sadly, 90% of Americans don’t support NN. WAY too many Americans don’t understand the issue at all.


It's clear from reading these posts most think that Net Neutrality is really Net Neutrality. In fact, it's quite the opposite if you actually read it.
 
Every leftist on here acts like the internet was a hell hole before Obama came along and "blessed it" with some legislation.

I've yet to read one argument that demonstrates that more legislation solves a problem or a potential problem. It's all fear-mongering about censorship and "fast-lanes" that already exist.

"Net Neutrality" is a lie-of-a-name, like the "Patriot Act".
 
Every leftist on here acts like the internet was a hell hole before Obama came along and "blessed it" with some legislation.

"Net neutrality" legislation was passed not to put an "Obama" stamp on all things, it was proactively done to prevent people like Pai changing rules for the favoured down the line. Yet it happened, read the words in the documents that the ISPs want, and Pai's decree.

Example of what ISPs can do - "Comcast is charging new customers an “installation fee” of $60 to $90 at an existing wired service that just needed a modem swap for the new service!" Earlier, they just shipped you the modem - now they insist on a technician standing and watching while you plug in your Comcast modem and charge you the fee - after waiting for an appointment for three days. Yes, at least three days of no internet.

Local governments should work to take away these monopolies, instead of PSC members lining their pockets.

The Democrats are still voting with the Republicans on so many issues! They have totally forgotten the previous eight years of grid-lock.

Not everything has to be about bashing Obama - he has been out of office about 16 months already.
 
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Every leftist on here acts like the internet was a hell hole before Obama came along and "blessed it" with some legislation.

I've yet to read one argument that demonstrates that more legislation solves a problem or a potential problem. It's all fear-mongering about censorship and "fast-lanes" that already exist.

"Net Neutrality" is a lie-of-a-name, like the "Patriot Act".
Just like the "Restoring Internet Freedom" initiative from the FCC under Pai? Give me a break. It's been pretty clear the ISPs have abused consumers over the past decade by blocking various services. Let's not forget it's happened to us here via AT&T blocking Facetime over cellular back in 2012. You would think the constant stream of complaints would warrant some form of regulation wouldn't you think? It seems like it to me. Or should we continue letting the ISPs ransack consumers and businesses alike?
https://www.freepress.net/our-respo...iners/net-neutrality-violations-brief-history
https://wccftech.com/net-neutrality-abuses-timeline/

How about providing a valid argument AGAINST Net Neutrality instead of parroting the same old responses. Let's also not pretend it's a one sided "Left" issue. It has clear bipartisan support among those who are educated on the issue, yet it sure didn't seem like we had a clear majority of GOP senators voting 'yes' today.
 
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