I know that their intentions are good, but that doesn't mean they are right, I think Apple should keep the apps.
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U.S. Senators Ask Apple to Remove DUI Checkpoint Apps From App Store
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See it doesn't work that way. Only inside the minds of the totally ignorant does this actually work.
Checkpoints have exactly ZERO effect on the problem of DUI, instead they serve to dehumanize innocent citizens, teaching young people that they can and should be stopped, questioned and searched at random, all for the good of the community. This is an unquestionable, non-debatable, violation of god given rights.
Checkpoints have nothing to do with solving what IS a big problem.
Advocating for a crackdown on DUI has positively NOTHING to do with advocating for warrantless illegal checkpoints. Get that into your head right now.
Not only do you not know the legality of drunk driving checkpoints, you equate a person's sexual preference to pedophilia. On top of that, you call people at Fox News "capitalist pigs".
Well done.
Edit: Found this article in the HuffPo... nearly 5 times more people are AGAINST the app being banned from the App Store.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/...i-checkpoint-alert-apps_n_839300.html?amp&
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Just to add one more opinion to the mix ....
It absolutely is censorship, and therefore is absolutely unacceptable in the U.S.A. I don't care how "dangerous" a few overpaid politicians feel it is!
The fact is, we've already collectively given up some of our freedoms to allow the concept of the DUI checkpoint to exist in the first place! (Essentially, you're being subjected to a random search where you're considered guilty until proven innocent. It flies completely in the face of everything our nation claims it stands for!)
Now they're asking us to censor public information about WHERE the things are being set up, too? No way, I say! People have the right to know this information and they have the right to collect and redistribute it, if they so choose.
As I keep reminding people, there are PLENTY of things we could do to make the country safer if we're going to say "saving lives is more important than your personal freedom". There are very GOOD reasons we don't go there, though. (How about police randomly kicking in your doors or windows and storming through your house, to catch you by surprise if you're doing something illegal? I bet they'd catch a lot of criminals that way and make things safer for the public! You up for that?)
It absolutely is censorship, and therefore is absolutely unacceptable in the U.S.A. I don't care how "dangerous" a few overpaid politicians feel it is!
The fact is, we've already collectively given up some of our freedoms to allow the concept of the DUI checkpoint to exist in the first place! (Essentially, you're being subjected to a random search where you're considered guilty until proven innocent. It flies completely in the face of everything our nation claims it stands for!)
Now they're asking us to censor public information about WHERE the things are being set up, too? No way, I say! People have the right to know this information and they have the right to collect and redistribute it, if they so choose.
As I keep reminding people, there are PLENTY of things we could do to make the country safer if we're going to say "saving lives is more important than your personal freedom". There are very GOOD reasons we don't go there, though. (How about police randomly kicking in your doors or windows and storming through your house, to catch you by surprise if you're doing something illegal? I bet they'd catch a lot of criminals that way and make things safer for the public! You up for that?)
If society starts to blame Apple for things going on in the world such as this then people need their heads checked. This app doesn't condone drinking and driving nor is it actually made for the purpose.
It's a free app people.
I'm not in the slightest bit surprised that there are so many complete morons arguing that these kinds of apps are good, or "their right".
Drink driving is one of the most reckless, ignorant crimes out there short of actually going out and attacking someone.
As for laws that say they have to announce checkpoints to the public, these just reveal the low mental quality of the people who lobby for that kind of legislation.
Nasty, ugly, selfish people.
Drink driving is one of the most reckless, ignorant crimes out there short of actually going out and attacking someone.
As for laws that say they have to announce checkpoints to the public, these just reveal the low mental quality of the people who lobby for that kind of legislation.
Nasty, ugly, selfish people.
This doesn't mean that app support won't stop!
Also, DUI checkpoints are posted publicly before they occur, the app is simply a portal for someone that doesn't want to hunt in paper/internet for them before they go out drinking. Cab it always!
Legislators who believe in basic Constitutional rights have "low mental quality"? Wow.
Wow ... what a bad concept of a "right" you have!
You don't even have a right to drive at all! It's defined as a privilege that the state can grant or take away from anyone at will.
Therefore? When driving, you CERTAINLY don't have a "right" not to be t-boned by someone in an intersection (no matter what their excuse is for causing the wreck). These incidents are called "accidents" for a reason. Unless you can prove the person intentionally TRIED to run into you, it was a mistake/error in judgement the person made while operating their vehicle.
On the other hand? What you DO have are certain Constitutionally guaranteed rights, among which is one stating your right to be free from unreasonable searches.
Thankfully, I've only been stopped at DUI checkpoints a couple times in my life too, but you know what? One of those two was a really BAD experience, despite neither my friend or I having drunk any alcohol whatsoever! The cop saw a couple grocery bags behind the seats in our truck and demanded to search their contents. (He found a 2-liter of Coca Cola and a couple bags of chips - as we'd just gone to the grocery store for some snack type stuff to bring home.) He proceeded to harass my friend about his out of state license plates and threw a fit about the vehicle needing to be registered in our state instead, etc. etc. I believe he wound up writing my friend a ticket over a license plate lamp being burnt out or some such nonsense, too.
NONE of that should have happened at all, and he clearly wouldn't have been pulled over any other time for the things the officer was complaining about after our unjustified, random stop and search.
You don't even have a right to drive at all! It's defined as a privilege that the state can grant or take away from anyone at will.
Therefore? When driving, you CERTAINLY don't have a "right" not to be t-boned by someone in an intersection (no matter what their excuse is for causing the wreck). These incidents are called "accidents" for a reason. Unless you can prove the person intentionally TRIED to run into you, it was a mistake/error in judgement the person made while operating their vehicle.
On the other hand? What you DO have are certain Constitutionally guaranteed rights, among which is one stating your right to be free from unreasonable searches.
Thankfully, I've only been stopped at DUI checkpoints a couple times in my life too, but you know what? One of those two was a really BAD experience, despite neither my friend or I having drunk any alcohol whatsoever! The cop saw a couple grocery bags behind the seats in our truck and demanded to search their contents. (He found a 2-liter of Coca Cola and a couple bags of chips - as we'd just gone to the grocery store for some snack type stuff to bring home.) He proceeded to harass my friend about his out of state license plates and threw a fit about the vehicle needing to be registered in our state instead, etc. etc. I believe he wound up writing my friend a ticket over a license plate lamp being burnt out or some such nonsense, too.
NONE of that should have happened at all, and he clearly wouldn't have been pulled over any other time for the things the officer was complaining about after our unjustified, random stop and search.
Yes drunk driving is reckless but what does this have to do with Apple or the Trapster app made primarily for speeding? Is removing it suppose to stop drunk drivers who I'm sure have been doing this before this app was made? Really, think about it
Overly dramatic. Exactly how long do you expect it takes an assistant to write a letter?
Actually, if you are American, your rights are given to you by the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and case law thereunder. The Supreme Court has applied the balancing test and found that properly conducted sobriety checkpoints do not violate the Fourth Amendment. So calling me "totally ignorant," in addition to violating the forum rules (do it again and I will report it) ignores the fact that case law is actually on my side.
Also, none of this has anything to do with whether a private company has to allow certain apps. The real issue here is the Senate getting involved in private, and not illegal, content.
I hear ya man, this is really another excuse just to stop people also so the police can harass certain people. It may be peachy for other people but when I get pulled over at checkpoints, I don't like the DWB factor, whichs leads to where I'm going, who car does this belong to? Where do you work? Etc... So I woul actually like to avoid these checkpoints before I end up another victim on tv by these policemen out here who think harassing and aggressive force is protecting
The constitution protects you from illegal searches and seizures. An officer cannot search your person or property without probable cause. An officer CAN ask you questions. If they ask if you have been drinking and you reply "no", they'll tell you to move along. This is not a violation of your civil rights.
Seriously, this is what our Politicians are spending their time doing? Checking out the "App Store"? How about we take some time to figure how to balance budgets and cut spending... between something like this and a "Federal Prejury" Trial costing tax payers over $10 million (over whether an ex-pro athlete told the truth about taking a "federally" band substance)... REALLY, come on!
I can see it now... Developers; after submitting new apps to Apple, you must then register with the Federal government and go their screening of the app...and by the way, there's another fee and tax you have to pay.
I knew I shouldn't have opened this article and thread! After reading the article... I got a little dumber!
I can see it now... Developers; after submitting new apps to Apple, you must then register with the Federal government and go their screening of the app...and by the way, there's another fee and tax you have to pay.
I knew I shouldn't have opened this article and thread! After reading the article... I got a little dumber!
Problem solved
Outlaw alcohol, have the government due a survey / study on how bad it is and lets just outlaw it all together.
How come we dont have an app for designated smoking area's ? Or cop's that have a long record of misuse of there authority, the bully cops?
Outlaw alcohol, have the government due a survey / study on how bad it is and lets just outlaw it all together.
How come we dont have an app for designated smoking area's ? Or cop's that have a long record of misuse of there authority, the bully cops?
Does the article even state that anyone is proposing a law to outlaw the publication of such apps?
Ok, first of I am completely against drunk driving and honestly, I think if you are caught driving drunk, then you should NEVER be allowed to drive again. Of course, I also think that if you kill someone while driving drunk, it should be an automatic death penalty.
That being said, I think this APP is perfectly legitimate, after all legally, the police have to publish a notice of DUI check points at least 24 hours in advance. This would provide an easy way to do so. In addition, for those that never drink (i.e. me), DUI checkpoint cause massive delays and are usually late at night when you are tired and just want to get home. This app provides a way to get around them.
I seriously doubt a person that would be charged with a DUI would have enough sense to use this APP anyway.
That being said, I think this APP is perfectly legitimate, after all legally, the police have to publish a notice of DUI check points at least 24 hours in advance. This would provide an easy way to do so. In addition, for those that never drink (i.e. me), DUI checkpoint cause massive delays and are usually late at night when you are tired and just want to get home. This app provides a way to get around them.
I seriously doubt a person that would be charged with a DUI would have enough sense to use this APP anyway.
Yes, I know this... my point was that sobriety checkpoints had to be announced (whether via a newspaper, the Internet, an app, etc). I was not arguing for/against the legality of the actual checkpoint.
Sorry. Maybe you didn't see my previous post... my comment to that guy was kind of an extension off my previous post.
So you'd rather catch a drunk driver while he's driving recklessly and/or after crashing into onnocent people, rather than before any of that?
This is just a weird practice right? I mean, really quite strange. Upholding elements of the constitution (such as the 4th amendment) effectively seems to make it impossible to introduce any element of reasonable subtlety into the practice of law making and law enforcement. Is it worth it?
And before anybody has a go at me for attacking the American system, I'm not. I'm just trying to understand it.
For my money, I'd rather not have these aps out there. If the system needs to be changed to allow them to be legally removed, then that should happen.
Sorry, didn't mean to quote you haha. Posting from the iPhone makes me cross-eyed sometimes.
Meanwhile, Jobs has proclaimed that an app for monitoring radiation coming from cel phones is unfit for the app store.
I guess that letting people who drive drunk evade police is ok but letting people who use iphones monitor whether their brains are being irradiated is not ok.
I guess that letting people who drive drunk evade police is ok but letting people who use iphones monitor whether their brains are being irradiated is not ok.
what about all of the other forms of distracted/dangerous driving such as: talking on a cell, eating, speeding, texting, not wearing corrective lenses (when required), etc. etc. These drivers put our lives in danger on the roadways as much, if not more than a DUI (.08) driver. Do you advocate the death penalty for these offenses if they result in the death of another person? If not, why?