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Wow. I thought this was going to be a debate about the difference between "anyone" and "everyone"-- wasn't prepared for the full on "corporations are our protectors" line of reasoning.
Oh no. I don't like corporations. Corporations are totally intertwined with the government. But business and free markets are far more efficient at safety than bureaucrats behind desks.
 
Oh no. I don't like corporations. Corporations are totally intertwined with the government. But business and free markets are far more efficient at safety than bureaucrats behind desks.
This must be why people from failed states always look so happy...
 
Then there's the call and cancel attacks on Lufthansa, the threats to pursue journalists personally if they write critical stories, their avoidance of responsibility for their employees action, price gouging, etc, etc.

Basically Uber is what you'd get if Scientology ran a cab company.
This.

Macro economically speaking, Uber is a wealth extraction entity. A company that just a few months ago employed roughly 50 people valued at $40 billion.
 
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Adults can't cooperate for mutally beneficial arrangements without the coercion of a ruler forcing them to do so?
Keep an eye on your language and make sure you're not shifting contexts...

Adults can cooperate and create mutually beneficial arrangements all by themselves, but that's not where we're starting from here. You'd made the statement that government regulation never protects anyone. The question then is: "Do they always cooperate for mutual benefit?"

You've also switched from government and bureaucrats to the singular form of "ruler". We're not arguing the pros and con's of autocracy, we're talking about government in all its forms, and starting that discussion from a decision in California.

So while I think adults can and do cooperate, I don't think that's a stable arrangement without some form of social oversight (government). Without that oversight, the benefit goes to the most powerful and least morally inhibited. Differences in power are self reinforcing, so any inequality is amplified over multiple interactions.

There will always be a governing entity and in the absence of a true social contract and regulated oversight, the more powerful become the government. So, without distributed rule you get autocratic rule.
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This.

Macro economically speaking, Uber is a wealth extraction entity. A company that just a few months ago employed roughly 50 people valued at $40 billion.
I have no idea why spell check turned Lyft into Lufthansa...
 
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This.

Macro economically speaking, Uber is a wealth extraction entity. A company that just a few months ago employed roughly 50 people valued at $40 billion.

And is on track to post a loss of almost $2 billion this year. Valuation these days is pretty meaningless.
 
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The California DMV is one of the most mismanaged government groups in the entire state. Honestly, the whole organization needs to be completely overhauled.

The issue isn't that they're not authorized to test autonomous vehicles, the issue is they've got paying passengers in them. It's not as simple as just testing a car with an engineer inside it.
 
I don't think that's a stable arrangement without some form of social oversight (government). Without that oversight, the benefit goes to the most powerful and least morally inhibited.

Unfortunately the government is exactly the place where the "most powerful and least morally inhibited" congregate.
 
Progress will never be made without mistakes. Sure, it was and after risk, but it only shows the technology needs to be worked on.
Hmmm, put on your virtual VR googles and create a movie of your family being T boned by that car, then reread your silly comment.
 
And is on track to post a loss of almost $2 billion this year. Valuation these days is pretty meaningless.
It still doesn't change the fact that more money per employee exists in the company than the GDP of entire nations. Wealth concentration to an extreme degree.
 
It still doesn't change the fact that more money per employee exists in the company than the GDP of entire nations. Wealth concentration to an extreme degree.

You don't understand economics do you. There is no real money. They have generated a negative output. Uber has lost more than $2.8 billion this year.

In this new economy you don't have to actually make a single cent to be considered valuable. You just need to show user growth. As long as you do that people think you're worth investing in. As silly and stupid as it is, people are willing to throw their money into a company that generates negative revenue. Look where it got all of those that have invested in Twitter.
 
Wow. I thought this was going to be a debate about the difference between "anyone" and "everyone"-- wasn't prepared for the full on "corporations are our protectors" line of reasoning.

Shhh...there are extremists among us.
 
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