I'm playing Skyrim with max resolution and higher settings with that underwhelming GPU when the 256mb ATI card in my C2D MBP would barely play World of Warcraft at half that resolution. So yes. New MBP = crap.
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uh.. what happened to Apple? [underwhelmed by MBP]
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I'm playing Skyrim with max resolution and higher settings with that underwhelming GPU when the 256mb ATI card in my C2D MBP would barely play World of Warcraft at half that resolution. So yes. New MBP = crap.
It's simple. Don't buy one. It will make all of us and you happy.
Well said. Head back to Windowland.
3x with me, even more times with others. Looks like most people are color blind... or perhaps Apple-blind. Or perhaps every screen americans return, Apple sends to other countries including the neighbour Canada. Don't know, but all I can say is: it's not a lottery when you get 3 defective screens, it's more of a certainty.
I'm agnostic about brands. Just have bought Apples in the last four years because they were good machines... until now. I don't have any problem with Microsoft, Dell, HP and so on. Just give me a decent machine and I'd move to Windows or Linux easily.
You still can buy some ass kicking 2012 models for much cheaper price. It's not like they are bad or something . You still get good performance, 6-7 hrs battery life and large SSD.
Performance isn't everything in a laptop. Reliability, usability, durability are things that count in the long run. At the time you buy a laptop, the performance is more than enough for whatever you need it to performs. (Except gaming, Macs are not for gaming, especially the thin rMBP. People who still buy rMBP and run heavy games on that poor thing...please stop)
I think many people are ready to pay the extra money to get the excellent battery performance, ultra silent fans while working, nice trackpad, sleek OS, true colors display and the thin + light weight design. I also wish that they cost less, but there is just Nothing out there that offers a better package. Since many people buy Macs for their professional work, the money they pay for those things still nothing compared to the money they make.
. You still get good performance, 6-7 hrs battery life and large SSD. Performance isn't everything in a laptop. Reliability, usability, durability are things that count in the long run. At the time you buy a laptop, the performance is more than enough for whatever you need it to performs. (Except gaming, Macs are not for gaming, especially the thin rMBP. People who still buy rMBP and run heavy games on that poor thing...please stop
) I think many people are ready to pay the extra money to get the excellent battery performance, ultra silent fans while working, nice trackpad, sleek OS, true colors display and the thin + light weight design. I also wish that they cost less, but there is just Nothing out there that offers a better package. Since many people buy Macs for their professional work, the money they pay for those things still nothing compared to the money they make.
Ive used Windows, Linux and Mac Os. I have and I am using Windows now for 25 years.
I could never stand it. Since Windows 1!
So bad that I used DOS until 2002!!
I love Macs and wouldn't even compare them to Windows machines no matter what windows fanboys say. Its like comparing an Ambassador (Asias most (in)famous car) and a Maserati. What you pay is what you get. Its pure joy using mac computers. Like opening a present. Everything works and runs nice. Its intuitive and goes well together. I just get things done.
Windows =
Mac =
I think the OP should just continue to buy Windows machines.
I could never stand it. Since Windows 1!
So bad that I used DOS until 2002!!
I love Macs and wouldn't even compare them to Windows machines no matter what windows fanboys say. Its like comparing an Ambassador (Asias most (in)famous car) and a Maserati. What you pay is what you get. Its pure joy using mac computers
. Like opening a present. Everything works and runs nice. Its intuitive and goes well together. I just get things done.Windows =
Mac =
I think the OP should just continue to buy Windows machines.
Point me to a Windows laptop with similar specs/features for a cheaper price.
Last time I checked you had to made a shittons of compromises to get something that's barely cheaper.
Last time I checked you had to made a shittons of compromises to get something that's barely cheaper.
I doubt there's anything cheaper with the same nominal features, but surely there are options with the same price with a similar feature set, like the
Dell Precision M3800 (doesn't have PCIe, but has a Quadro GPU and IGZO display). I'd say it's the main rMBP competitor.
Lenovos W-Series are heavier, but they're built like a tank... so it's like comparing apples and oranges, but anyway it's a high end personal computer. Probably there are options almost similar from HP, Asus and Sony too.
However, I think the Precision is the best deal, since Dell replaces your screen at your home if needed. Apple, on the contrary, makes you going to an AASP to get your Mac serviced.
Yeah, me too. It's not like a SATA III SSD folks. PCIe SSD's are the fastest you'll currently get by a good margin. Heck, show me an affordable 1TB SATA III SSD anywhere that isn't expensive, and even then it'll be 1/3rd slower.
Fast large storage is currently the domain of the external drive and any current MacBook Pro's Thunderbolt port will accommodate even PCIe speeds with ease.
I haven't seen a single review of the 2013 MBP that said it was overpriced. What they've all said is that it's "blazing" fast.
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Nobody wants to Christmas Tree their sleek new laptop. Apple has made the executive decision that their 'pro' laptop will no longer support sensible storage options. Sure its fast, but its underwhelming in quantity.
They've gone to a PCIe bus for the drive. There aren't any large storage options for that yet. Even if there were it would cost too much to be profitable anyway. I take it the people who prefer larger onboard storage options would have preferred they used SATA III instead.
I see the MBP as expandable if you need the storage. 512GB is PLENTY to take with for majority of pro users. I think they made the right choice.
As far as Christmas treeing goes, most pros who need that much storage already have expandable drives because they can never have enough space. Talk to any full time video editor. What they want is SPEED. That's why most love the new Mac Pro.
Did you get all of your bad screens from the same store? If so try ordering online or going to a different store I have a feeling the bad displays are in little clumps. I've noticed that the few people that have had problems with the displays seem to go through several, but I'm working on the theory that they're all going back and getting other ones from the same store. I would try changing your source.
To the OP: since when is it unusual to pay more fir a Mac with similar "standard" specs then a PC? You're paying more for things that aren't shown on a standard spec sheet, build quality, software, the display, the battery and right now ridiculously good SSDs. I have an absolutely maxed out 2013 15" rMBP and I love it, for SSD and display are incredible! Yes, I could've paid less for a PC, but I want all the things that only a Mac can offer.
It's always been an expensive product if you look only at the specifications
Yes, look beyond the specs. For instance, there are intangibles like a yellow screen, image retention, a creaky case, wifi issues.
Open your eyes dude!
Sorry you've had poor luck with the retina display, but I haven't. My 13" has been awesome since Day 1.
There isn't any single Apple Store in Brazil. The only way to buy directly from Apple is the online store. The other official resellers are like buying from BestBuy or BH Photo. To return a Mac you must send to Apple by your own expenses. The other option is leave it with an AASP (service providers) for repair. It's been the option of my choice.
However, it seems that all displays Apple Brazil has for replacement are the bad ones (LP154WT1-SJA2). So maybe the best path to get a decent screen in Brazil is exchanging 3 times (I'm going to the third) and hope that Apple will give me a late-2013 one because it seems that early-2013 ones suffer from IR or yellowing.
Anyway, I'll keep exchanging forever.
Code:
while(true){
try{
exchange(); // throws UnlikelyGoodOneException
}
catch(UnlikelyGoodOneException e){
exit();
}
}
I worked with the "underpowered rMBP" of my girlfriend (2,6Ghz/Iris Pro only) and it handled FCP X (retiming, stabilisation, export to H.264) faster than anything I have ever seen. And it was about 4-6 times faster than my 2010 MBP which back than cost 2400*and for which I also got a bigger SSD as well as more RAM.
So I'd say the underpowered thing works quite well...
So I'd say the underpowered thing works quite well...
This one's actually more expensive for equivalent specs, and you get a half-plastic body, half the battery life and a **** trackpad. Yeah, no thanks.
You may get a better price when a business orders in bulk but for a personnal computer it's a complete non-starter.
Not only that, but it's impossible to configure it with a high-res display. Even the optional 1080p display is a lot closer to the old 900p resolution of the cMBP than to 1800p. Not the same category.
It seems like the state of rMBP competition hasn't changed much. I don't see why Apple would feel the pressure to lower their price when the rMBP has a very competitive price for what it is and is probably the best-selling computer in its category.
Really? When, exactly, did Apple offer more than 1TB storage on its laptops?
PCIe, PCIe, PCIe...
That is pretty much the only defense for the OP's post. Sorry, but that is simply not worth it for a lot of folks who can't see it worth it for the loss of dGPU, and upgradeability. I think it's not worth it, at all. I'll hold onto the 2012 cMBP until it dies a horrible death.
That is pretty much the only defense for the OP's post. Sorry, but that is simply not worth it for a lot of folks who can't see it worth it for the loss of dGPU, and upgradeability. I think it's not worth it, at all. I'll hold onto the 2012 cMBP until it dies a horrible death.
Apple had offered laptops that can be upgraded to more than 1TB by consumers for as long as I can remember.
Not the question I asked. Couldn't give a damn what you could do by opening it up and removing the optical drive.
You seem to have very strong opinions of what "no one" wants. Your opinions are not, however, in the least bit supported by Apple's sales figures.
I couldn't give a damn what question you asked. The internal drive in a cMBP user replaceable. Even without the simple upgrade of removing the optical drive.
I totally agree that the mass consumer market doesn't want large internal drives, its a small group of pro users who do - a small group who Apples marketing team has abandoned.