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It is innocent until proven guilty in the UK
That's criminal law — this is a civil issue. When two parties disagree on a civil issue, the court is required to find in favour of one of them, so the case is decided on the balance of probabilities, and neither party gets an assumption of either 'innocence' or 'guilt'.
At this time, you haven't entered into a contract with Apple, because you haven't activated your phone. You do, however, have all your rights under the Sale of Goods Act and your claim is that the device is not fit for purpose (ie - the first time you tried to use it as intended, it all went horribly wrong).
Technically there is a contract — the contract of purchase which occurred whenever the phone was bought. Under the law of England & Wales, contracts aren't just paper documents, they're (roughly) any agreement that is intended to be binding under law which is defined so that each party does something to their detriment. In this case one party lost possession of money and the other lost possession of a product, so that's a contract.

The Sale of Goods Act implies terms into that contract that the item bought must be suitable for the purpose for which they are commonly sold (per s14(2b)), i.e. in this case it must be possible to charge and activate the thing. The only issue might be with section 35...

Section 35 covers acts that a purchaser can do which make it clear that they have accepted the goods in their current state. One of the ways they can do that is to do "any act in relation to them which is inconsistent with the ownership of the seller." Having the phone around a showroom and otherwise treating it as your own property is inconsistent with the phone still being the property of Apple. It doesn't matter if the buyer hasn't actually examined the goods, provided they've had a reasonable opportunity to do so, which per caselaw (Bernstein v Pamson Motors, though it refers to an older version of the Act for which I don't have the text) includes an evaluation of the amount of time the retailer can be expected to keep a commercial ledger open for.

Basically, they want to balance the rights of the retailer and the consumer. It isn't fair to think that a consumer should be able to walk back into a shop just less than 6 years (which is the limit for contract disputes per the Limitation Act) after they bought a product, having only just inspected it, and expect the retailer to replace it. But similarly it isn't fair to say something like "consumers must inspect all goods within 2 weeks". I think the 6 month figure quoted elsewhere on this thread is likely to be a combined interpretation of various bits of caselaw rather than a hard and fast limit.

In any case, I think the practical advice offered elsewhere on the thread is correct. Remind them of their duties under the Sale of Goods Act and they're unlikely to see any benefit in pursuing the issue in court, especially as it prima facie appears to reveal a latent defect in their design and they're unlikely to want that publicity.

Important disclaimer: I am not a legal practitioner. I don't work in a legal field. My interpretation of the statute and caselaw may not be accurate and should not be relied upon.
 
Well it is as evident as it gets to see that this iphone is not fit for purpose :eek::eek: at alllll

what if i was out and my house burned down!!
 
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Ah! I see your problem mate. You are using an iPhone from the Mirror Universe and plugging it into our right-way-round universe mains! Obviously the Alternating Current in the Mirror Universe works in entirely the opposite way, so your iPhone experienced a number of sub-atomic matter/anti-matter explosions. With this in mind, the damage actually incurred is quite minimal. You were in danger of not just burning your house down, but blowing up the world, just like those crazy guys at CERN are planning with their black-hole factory!

Of course, the bad-news is that the Sale of Goods Act doesn't cover Mirror Universe produce. And Apple do build an Exposed-to-Mirror-Universe indicator in the headphone jack, alongside their water detector. What you need to do is find a rift in the space/time continuum, and get your iPhone to an Elppa store there on the other side, and return it there.
 
Sounds like a crap situation and at least you are finally getting it sorted. As people have said, it is nothing to do with Apple at this stage but an issue with the store your father bought the phone from. I would just like to point out that without a proof of purchase then you are entitled to nothing. Even with a proof of purchase you are still entitled to nothing. It is only the person who purchased the phone that has any sort of rights, so even if your dad gives you the receipt it's tuff. The sales contract is with your father and not you. Theoretically he has to deal with CPW. All a big hassle but thats the way the law stands.
 
Sounds like a crap situation and at least you are finally getting it sorted. As people have said, it is nothing to do with Apple at this stage but an issue with the store your father bought the phone from. I would just like to point out that without a proof of purchase then you are entitled to nothing. Even with a proof of purchase you are still entitled to nothing. It is only the person who purchased the phone that has any sort of rights, so even if your dad gives you the receipt it's tuff. The sales contract is with your father and not you. Theoretically he has to deal with CPW. All a big hassle but thats the way the law stands.

no one will know who bought the phone, by the looks of things it looks like ive purchased it all
 
YOU ARE ALSO A BIG FAT LIAR

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/463250/

Shame on you.

:( iphone smashed by dad :O :mad:

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Well he dropped it and now the bottom of the screen is cracked, its a very big crack like 4 cm ones so yeah its had it, its jailbroken and activated (dev) etc. So where do i go from here?

Do you think apple will replace it? i was thinking that i could give it a clean swipe and say to apple i was charging and woke up with the screen cracked, most likely due to the heat and it stopped responding so i did a restore on it.

What you guys think? + what is virginising your iphone mean????

How can i give it a clean swipe ?

THanks for all the help muchos apreciateddd
 
you need to get your facts straight if you're going to lie to everyone as to not get caught in it.

you've been exposed to sjobs@mac.com

good luck replacing that.
 
Oh my as explained 100 times....

found the iphone damaged, automatically blamed dad for breaking it, then ivenstigated further, found the back melted and damaged therefore i realised it was heat that broke the glass as my dad said he never touched it !
 
Oh my as explained 100 times....

found the iphone damaged, automatically blamed dad for breaking it, then ivenstigated further, found the back melted and damaged therefore i realised it was heat that broke the glass as my dad said he never touched it !

So your first idea when you saw the iphone with broken glass was to blame your dad before even looking at THE BACK? So then you thought you'd make a thread about blaming apple.

Own up to your mistakes. You break something then you deal with it.
 
Oh my as explained 100 times....

found the iphone damaged, automatically blamed dad for breaking it, then ivenstigated further, found the back melted and damaged therefore i realised it was heat that broke the glass as my dad said he never touched it !

You screwed yourself kid. Your stories are so full of holes. You should be ashamed of yourself for what you are trying to do.

On your first inspection, there is no way you wouldn't have noticed the melted plastic as well as the cracked screen right away. The iPhone isn't that big- it's not like melted plastic would have been missed when you first saw the damage.

If the iPhone had melted while charging in the dock as you have claimed, there would be some melted white plastic on the iPhone as well from the melted dock. Also, the dock would also be damaged. People have been requesting pictures of your damaged dock, but you still haven't posted any. I guess you're waiting until you get the fake burn marks looking just right with your lighter.

The battery isn't even at the bottom where you say it overheated. Isn't it interesting in your picture that the aluminum back is completely undamaged. The battery is what would have overheated, not the dock connection from the dock to the battery. The battery is located above the black plastic, not under it. See the linked pictures below:

See, no battery in sight, only the antenna:
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Look, the battery is above where the black plastic would be, not under it:
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Your damage:
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There is NO WAY that the black plastic would have melted from the battery overheating, ESPECIALLY without any damage to the rest of the back of the iPhone.

Scammer.
 
Hello Engadget :)

Thankfully Apple will know about this problem and tell the scammer where to stick his iPhone. Surprised he even bothered trying to redeem himself what with how badly he's been "pwned".
 
Oh my as explained 100 times....

found the iphone damaged, automatically blamed dad for breaking it, then ivenstigated further, found the back melted and damaged therefore i realised it was heat that broke the glass as my dad said he never touched it !

There is only one thing worse than a liar, and that is a liar that tells more lies to get themselves out of a lie. What you are doing is a prime example of this, and if you are older than 10 you need to seriously take a look at your life and consider growing up. Your stories are pathetic and do not add up, gees, if you were going to try and scam Apple into giving you a new iPhone, at least come up with a better story rather than wasting your time trying to deceive us as well!!!

You're even going as far as to cause more damage to your own phone to try and back up your story?!?! I'm not even going to waste any more time on you, you're an idiot!

:mad::mad::mad:
 
HAHAHA!! I'll see you on the frontpage of digg.com Get ready for the internet onslaught reminding you how much of a dummy crook you are.
 
It is funny I read the other thread, a few days ago.

Then reading this, I am sitting here thinking the way the device went wrong sounded very familiar.

So he has changed his story now to make up for his own doing. It would be nice if someone had enough information on this clown to contact Apple and have them stop an exchange for a new item. Probably wouldn't happen, but it would be nice.

We all pay for people who cheat like this, and this guy is just wrong.
 
...what are your rights?

You have the right to grow up and learn how deciet will haunt you.
You have the right to figure out how to not be an idiot.
You have the right to be removed from Mac Rumors for lieing twice to its members.
You have the right to never be trusted again.
You have the right to not ever use an expensive techno device again (at least if I was your dad)
You have the right to fear your dad if he ever finds out that you involved him in your lies.
You have the right to be ridiculed as often as possible.

Dude you put Pinochio to shame maybe you should run for office, but even then most politicians don't lie as bad as you did.
 
OWNED

People like you make me sad for humanity. Everyone feels they are 'entitled' to whatever the hell they want. Perhaps if your parents raised you right, you wouldn't be such a fool. Unfortunately, if you ever reproduce, I feel your children will be far worse than you.

What happened to basic human decency and trust? It's because of people like you that nobody can trust anyone else these days.

Have you ever heard of the word responsibility? You and you alone are responsible for your own actions. If you broke your iPhone, you are responsible, not Apple.

I figure its only a matter of time before the internet figures out your real identity, and then you're hosed.

I suggest you move to Nigeria and find a job there. Perhaps you'll be a bit luckier at conning people.
 
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