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No, this is not a fact. The fact is that judges have stated that Samsung hasn't copied the iPad.

Any person with two eyes can see that basically every company is taking their design cues from the iPhone and iPad. Line them up and see the facts with your own eyes.

That the judge sided with Samsung is a legal win, not a statement of actual fact. LEGALLY Samsung didn't violate a valid design patent is not the same as not copying.

As for your 'show me proof' since you made your claims first, you can prove yours first.

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Links to those documents or again and again, it hasn't happened. How many times do we need to debunk this crap ?

And yet you are so smart to say I am wrong but where is your proof. You must have it to back up your statements.
 
And yet you are so smart to say I am wrong but where is your proof. You must have it to back up your statements.

It's been posted so many times, I don't even know why you haven't seen it. Are you just trying to get me to repost it AGAIN ?

This link is a good summary of it :

http://www.osnews.com/story/25264/Did_Android_Really_Look_Like_BlackBerry_Before_the_iPhone_

And to add to it, the Google G1/HTC Dream, the first Android device :

250px-T-Mobile_G1_launch_event_2.jpg


Looks like iPhone you say... maybe more like the T-mobile Sidekick/Danger Hiptop, you know, Danger Inc's phone ? No you don't. You don't even know why Danger Inc is related to Android I bet :

613px-Color_sidekick.jpg


Android built on the concepts of Danger's platform, was built as hardware agnostic from the get go, so it could run on YES, Blackberry like phones to compete with Windows Mobile offerings and YES, on touch screen phones the likes of the LG Prada, Sony Ericsson P800 and others that all pre-date the iPhone.

Next up, Retina displays. Was Apple first ? Let's get into it so I can dig a few old phones with near 300 PPI screen resolutions. :rolleyes:
 
But...they copy each other. Or at least inspired. Copy usually means blatantly use the same things like icon design or whatever. Seriously, if no company copied each other then we would have no innovation.



According to some posts here, Verizon should totally sue AT&T since they had the shared data plan first.:rolleyes:
 
Apple has been copying Android for far too long.

No one is copying anyone else. God. Each OSes are their own, designed on their own terms, design with their own goals. There is some overlap in features, but that's just due to them being installed on similar devices, just like OS X shares some attributes with Gnome/KDE desktops and Windows desktop, and even some underlying sub-systems.

There's just so many ways to make these things work and sometimes, the most obvious and simplest method is the best, no need to reinvent the wheel.
 
It can't be considered a copy of the iPad because it isn't "as cool". That, folks, is the real slap in the face. Hey Samsung, wake up!

Yeah, and Apple sure are thrilled about this ruling. So what if they have to pay all legal fees, have the uncertainty in future rulings from losing this case, having to publically apologize etc... judge said iPad's cooler, that's all that matters :rolleyes:
 
This makes about as much sense as Palm ( if it still existed ), Microsoft and RIM suing Apple or Google over iOS, because iOS and Android do take cues from Windows Mobile, Blackberry and Palm.
 
Back on Topic for a post:

This UK ruling is interesting and may have more global reaching affect, Or at least I speculate.

Think about this. Apple is currently suing samsung in a few different courts around the world. All for the same basic thing. Apple has claimed now for a few years "Samsung has copied us". they have been vocal about it and they've gone after samsung over and over again with lawsuits.

Now if Apple is putting on their website (forced or not) that "Samsung Did not copy us", then what legal ground does any of the other lawsuits have?

Apple: SAMSUNG IS COPYING US!!!! INJUNCTION!
Judge: But your website says otherwise?
Apple: But! BUT! SAMSUNG COPIED US!
Judge: but your own words on your website say they didn't.
Apple: SAMSUNG COPIED US!
 
As of this weekend it would appear that Apple has at least 10 million reasons to feel threatened by Samsung.
 
Can you link me somewhere stating why it isn't based on unix? It's my understanding that iOS shares similarities with Mac OS .. er .. OSX anyway.. including that it's based on Darwin, a flavor of unix, no?

Of course it's based on Unix (FreeBSD to be specific) as iOS started as a stripped down version of OSX and OSX is most definitely Unix (they're even certified as such for goodness sake).

But then in case you haven't noticed, some people on here are better at running their mouth than being accurate (and their constant downvotes used to reflect that). ;)
 
Can you link me somewhere stating why it isn't based on unix? It's my understanding that iOS shares similarities with Mac OS .. er .. OSX anyway.. including that it's based on Darwin, a flavor of unix, no?

Mac OS X is a Unix Operating System. iOS is not. Sure I can link "somewhere", but rather I'll link to the only authority on the subject, the Open Group :

http://www.opengroup.org/openbrand/register/

Darwin btw is not a flavor of Unix, it's a system based around the XNU, a derivative of the Carnegie-Mellon Mach kernel with some BSD sub-systems and userland and some parts of the GNU project software. There is no AT&T copyrighted Unix SVR code in it. It's only claim of being a Unix operating system is thus through it's OpenGroup certification with the SUS, which is only valid for systems listed on the link above, on the hardware listed above (OS X never was Unix on PowerPC for example).

Unix is 3 things :

- A specification, namely the SUS (Single Unix Specification, v3 now, v4 in the works). There is a test suite that must be passed to claim compatibility. Compatibility with the SUS, if the test suite is passed leads to...
- A trademark, managed by the OpenGroup, based on the principal that your system passed the SUS test suite. Systems allowed to use the trademark can claim to be a "BrandName" Unix Operating System, ie, Mac OS X Unix Opearting System, not Unix itself or "Unix-like".

- Finally, a Copyrighted code based, currently managed and owned by Novell (Attachmate group) originally owned by Bell Labs, aka AT&T. We've already covered how this one does not apply to Apple's codebase.

So again, no, iOS is not a Unix Operating System, nor Unix, nor Unix-like as it has not passed the SUS test suite nor been certified as a Unix operating system allowed to use the trademark.

I know this is probably a lot of information and links...

As for the person saying I was just running my mouth, you can now understand why he's on my ignore list. People that say I'm wrong without providing any references even though like I just posted, they are available and prove what I say is true and fact based, well, maybe they should look at themselves and their own mouths. ;)
 
It's been posted so many times, I don't even know why you haven't seen it. Are you just trying to get me to repost it AGAIN ?

This link is a good summary of it :

http://www.osnews.com/story/25264/Did_Android_Really_Look_Like_BlackBerry_Before_the_iPhone_

And to add to it, the Google G1/HTC Dream, the first Android device :

250px-T-Mobile_G1_launch_event_2.jpg


Looks like iPhone you say... maybe more like the T-mobile Sidekick/Danger Hiptop, you know, Danger Inc's phone ? No you don't. You don't even know why Danger Inc is related to Android I bet :

613px-Color_sidekick.jpg


Android built on the concepts of Danger's platform, was built as hardware agnostic from the get go, so it could run on YES, Blackberry like phones to compete with Windows Mobile offerings and YES, on touch screen phones the likes of the LG Prada, Sony Ericsson P800 and others that all pre-date the iPhone.

Next up, Retina displays. Was Apple first ? Let's get into it so I can dig a few old phones with near 300 PPI screen resolutions. :rolleyes:


How can I not bring up this image again?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LG_Prada
"Images of the device appeared on websites such as Engadget Mobile on December 15, 2006" -- which means the idea was being worked on from 2005 or early 2006.
This wiki quotes an LG exec who states Apple stole the idea from LG, which I disagree with. It was just a natural evolution of design, made possible by new techs such as mobile phone, touch screen, etc etc.

File:LG_KE850_Prada_Hauptmen%C3%BC.jpg


Everyone's guilty of picking evidences that only support their side of story. And I'm guilty sometimes too. But we should at least bring out all the facts.

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No one is questioning which one is more innovative. They are questioning flagrant copies of innovative products.


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Back to SONY , Notice that Sony is Missing from the "year of the copycats" slide. Steve jobs admired companies like sony, why? because companies like Sony INNOVATE!! Something that the Koreans (samsung lg...) don't know the concept of.



Samsung can innovate if they try, Look at their bloated 4.8 inch plastic goliath phone with 5 hours battery life and fragmented OS..........oh wait


I didn't understand why Sony wasn't on the list. After reading the briefs floating recently made available around I know why. The first iphone design concept was copied from Sony.

And let's not forget how Apple copied Sony's chiclet keyboard. the irony...
 
Mac OS X is a Unix Operating System. iOS is not. Sure I can link "somewhere", but rather I'll link to the only authority on the subject, the Open Group :

When a lay-person asks if iOS is Unix-based, they're not asking if it's certified. They're asking if it's Unix-based as opposed to something like Windows which has ZERO in common with Unix of ANY flavor, kind or compatibility. But, as usual, your answers are very misleading (giving people the wrong impression that iOS isn't based on OSX code, which is most certainly is and that code most certainly is UNIX certified) and therefore your information needs corrected before people get the wrong idea.

So again, no, iOS is not a Unix Operating System, nor Unix, nor Unix-like as it has not passed the SUS test suite nor been certified as a Unix operating system allowed to use the trademark.

You skipped the MOST IMPORTANT thing and that was the question of whether it's Unix-Based or not and YES IT IS (since its based on OSX which is certified as such). The question was not whether it IS UNIX, but whether it's BASED ON IT. FAIL.

BTW, Lion (as far as I can tell) is not "UNIX" (I find no reference to it ever being certified), yet Mountain Lion IS UNIX as its certification was announced by the SUS group yesterday (BTW UNIX should always be fully capitalized when using the registered trademark). In reality, the code is compatible regardless of the trademark an that is pretty much true of all "Unix-Like" systems. Ironically, however, BSD is UNIX derived (from Bell Labs code before AT&T inherited the trademark) but split at that point from the tree. So in essence, all BSD-related kernels (the Mach kernel of OSX included) are derived from the original UNIX code. It's not the same code today (they've branched off), but to deny the heritage is even further misleading to someone that simply wants to know whether iOS has any heritage related to UNIX and YES IT DOES.

Frankly, more than a few of us out there don't like the whole trademark name games with "UNIX" and they've been taken to court over it (but lost) in 2007 since the trademark serves more to divide than unite otherwise mostly compatible systems leading to such naming conventions as "Un*x" (since "Unix-Like" was objected to).
 
looks like more of these lawsuits are coming back in favour of samsung around the world

EU / German courts choose not to uphold injunction against samsung allowing the sales of Galaxy Devices in Germany / EU

http://www.engadget.com/2012/07/26/apple-denied-galaxy-nexus-and-tab-ban-in-germany/

Apple cannot be happy. They have not been on the winning sides of all these lawsuits, yet they continue demanding injunctions and bans.

You can only delay competition so long before they catch you and pass you. As we saw with numbers today, Samsung has past Apple for #1 hardware vendor for smart phones, with Apple seeing another quarter decline in the Market share.

Curious how the rejection of the injunction in EU wasn't reported on the macrumours front page :p
 
Mac OS X is a Unix Operating System. iOS is not. Sure I can link "somewhere", but rather I'll link to the only authority on the subject, the Open Group :

http://www.opengroup.org/openbrand/register/

Darwin btw is not a flavor of Unix, it's a system based around the XNU, a derivative of the Carnegie-Mellon Mach kernel with some BSD sub-systems and userland and some parts of the GNU project software. There is no AT&T copyrighted Unix SVR code in it. It's only claim of being a Unix operating system is thus through it's OpenGroup certification with the SUS, which is only valid for systems listed on the link above, on the hardware listed above (OS X never was Unix on PowerPC for example).

Unix is 3 things :

- A specification, namely the SUS (Single Unix Specification, v3 now, v4 in the works). There is a test suite that must be passed to claim compatibility. Compatibility with the SUS, if the test suite is passed leads to...
- A trademark, managed by the OpenGroup, based on the principal that your system passed the SUS test suite. Systems allowed to use the trademark can claim to be a "BrandName" Unix Operating System, ie, Mac OS X Unix Opearting System, not Unix itself or "Unix-like".

- Finally, a Copyrighted code based, currently managed and owned by Novell (Attachmate group) originally owned by Bell Labs, aka AT&T. We've already covered how this one does not apply to Apple's codebase.

So again, no, iOS is not a Unix Operating System, nor Unix, nor Unix-like as it has not passed the SUS test suite nor been certified as a Unix operating system allowed to use the trademark.

I know this is probably a lot of information and links...

As for the person saying I was just running my mouth, you can now understand why he's on my ignore list. People that say I'm wrong without providing any references even though like I just posted, they are available and prove what I say is true and fact based, well, maybe they should look at themselves and their own mouths. ;)

I hope I'm not the person you've put on the ignore list, as I do believe you gave the first post back at me regarding the whole matter. When did macumors become filled with hostile people??

Now in response, I'm clearly confused. I appreciate you've shown that iOS isn't unix certified (I don't remember saying that it was?), but I still thought it was based on UNIX.

So what exactly is iOS?
 
I still thought it was based on UNIX.

That would mean it uses AT&T copyrighted code, the SVR 4 codebase which is the latest. Apple has no license to this code.

So what exactly is iOS?

It's a Darwin based operating system. Darwin, in one incarnation, namely OS X on Intel hardware, is a UNIX operating system. However, not all its incarnations are, such as iOS.

If iOS was capable of passing the SUS test suite, I have no doubt Apple would. They still do even now as they have shown with OS X 10.8. iOS is probably missing quite a few components and a few of its more restricted sub-systems probably preclude it from respecting the SUS.

So in essence, with neither copyrighted UNIX code nor a capability of passing the SUS test suite and being certified, iOS is not "based on UNIX" nor is it "a UNIX operating system". It's a Darwin derivative, which is based on a multitude of components from different sources (Berkeley, Carnegie Mellon, Richard Stallman's GNU project, etc... etc...).

You might say this is overly pedantic, but since the OpenGroup owns the trademark, they set the rules on its use. And unfortunately, calling iOS anything related to UNIX is against those rules based on the information we have about it.

What you can say though is that iOS is a POSIX compatible system. Though so is Windows NT (though I don't know what shape their POSIX sub-system is in, it last was marketed around the days of Windows NT 4.0).
 
That would mean it uses AT&T copyrighted code, the SVR 4 codebase which is the latest. Apple has no license to this code.

It's utterly AMAZING how this person can keep posting misinformation on here again and again. It's no wonder he got downvoted like crazy until they removed the system. :rolleyes:

He just said himself in his previous post that to be officially called UNIX, it doesn't have to have copyrighted code, just registered and licensed by the SUS group, which Intel Leopard, Snow Leopard and Mountain Lion versions of OSX most definitely are registered. Thus, OSX *IS* UNIX and any OS derived from it therefore must be based on UNIX (since they are one and the same thing as far as the SUS group is concerned).

Being derived from UNIX and being UNIX are not the same thing as far the SUS and AT&T are concerned, but here it doesn't matter since the question is whether it was derived from a form of UNIX and YES IT IS. PERIOD.

To the layman, all "Unix-like" operating systems would probably fall into the same field of question. Is it based on a Unix-like operating system? Yes, it is regardless of whether it's certified or not.

Is therefore iOS itself "Unix-like"? Why not ask an independent developer that makes apps for it that do not go through the App store like say, the XBMC team? OSX and iOS both have Darwin in common as the foundation with the XNU/BSD/Mach hybrid kernel at the core. The abstraction layers above Darwin differ somewhat and that is the key fundamental difference between OSX and iOS. None of those layers have anything to do with UNIX itself (rather that is the core OS called Darwin that is UNIX 03 rated).

Heck, even a quick check to Wikipedia will answer the question:

Wikipedia page on OSX says:
iOS is derived from OS X, with which it shares the Darwin foundation, and is therefore a Unix operating system.

KnightWRX says:

It's a Darwin based operating system. Darwin, in one incarnation, namely OS X on Intel hardware, is a UNIX operating system. However, not all its incarnations are, such as iOS.

KnightWRX seems to want to argue about whether iOS is certified UNIX by itself, even though the question was whether it was BASED ON UNIX, not whether it is certified TO BE UNIX. I really don't know what's so hard to 'get' there and why he would keep defending his position which is misleading.

If iOS was capable of passing the SUS test suite, I have no doubt Apple would.

Yes, because he's psychic and knows what Apple will and won't do. :rolleyes:

I suppose he knew they wouldn't bother with Lion, but would with Mountain Lion (they are SO consistent, after all). :rolleyes:

For goodness sake, iOS is not an open platform OS and Apple doesn't apear to want it to ever be one. WTF good would it do to to certify it? Certification helps Apple on a professional level (credibility) for OSX. iOS is the consumer level OS for their gadget devices. Until Apple decides to push iOS as a professional level operating system, I don't foresee them bothering to register for SUS certification (I could be wrong, however). Besides, looking at the news reports, etc., MOST people just associate iOS with OSX and assume there's no real difference on a fundamental level. What is good for the goose is good for the gander. And THUS the question of whether iOS is "UNIX BASED" or not and OF COURSE IT IS. It's based on a certified UNIX platform. How by DEFINITION could it NOT be considered "UNIX BASED"? :confused:


They still do even now as they have shown with OS X 10.8. iOS is probably missing quite a few components and a few of its more restricted sub-systems probably preclude it from respecting the SUS.

And not ONE word of that demonstrates that iOS is NOT *derived* from OSX (as Apple will tell you flat up IT IS) and since OSX *IS* UNIX, therefore, iOS IS DERIVED FROM UNIX. There's no argument here. It's just a flat out FACT. Frankly, I'm getting pretty tired of this guy telling people half truths. They are getting dangerously close to lies, IMO, all just to avoid admitting what he said was misleading at best and flat out wrong at worst.

And unlike him, I don't have anyone on my ignore list because ignoring problems don't make them go away. It's just another form of denying reality. If you put everyone on your ignore list, you can spout off any BS nonsense you want all day long and it will appear that no one disagrees with you because you will never see any of it, regardless of whether it appears that way to anyone else.
 
Well, here is where finishes the "the judge can't force a company to publish that" claims

But sadly - the fantasizing of some posters continues as to how Apple will write that statement. Just look at the new thread. It's laughable.
 
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