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UK Network Operator EE to Charge Customers for Roaming Within the EU
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"We voted for" - yes, that is how democracy works. Just because you and I don't like the outcome, doesn't make it the wrong one. It's a slippery slope if you want to force an apparent "correct" choice on others.
What I do find funny is how pro-EU everyone is on here, like with the stopping of roaming charges, that is until it comes to them wanting to tax Apple in Ireland a proper amount, suddenly then they are evil meddlers.
What I hate more than anything though is the division it has caused within our own country. That has been far more cancerous and very sad.
EE aren't the first. O2 announced it yesterday:
That alone would have almost certainly not been enough, but you are on the right track for sure... Had the Remain campaign really focused on the positives of being in Europe, the UK would not have left. The mistake was basing a campaign on "Project Fear," and "Poor little Britain cannot possibly manage without Europe." That was a catastrophic error of judgement, because nothing annoys the Brits more than that sort of message. It was the Brits' belligerent attitude that saw them through the darkest days of WWII when all seemed hopeless. Tell the British people they can't, and they will stick their fingers up and get on with it. That's what they do (or did). It is sad that the people leading the Remain campaign did not understand the nature of their own people, because had they not made that error, we would no longer even be talking about boring Brexit.
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Just remember that (1) the Brexit referendum was advisory only to Parliament; (2) only 37.4% of eligible voters cast a ballot for Brexit; (3) within months of the Brexit referendum, polls indicated the majority of the public believed it was a mistake, but the Conservative government carried on with Brexit anyway; (4) a second referendum that would have perhaps settled the issue for good was proposed but actively avoided; and (5) there are regions in the UK the vast majority of people voted against Brexit, so people there feel aggrieved. Not to mention the (6) outright lies that were disseminated by pro-Brexit campaigns.
Brexit was undertaken without a true consensus. It is inevitable it will continue to cause rancour as the fallout continues. The roaming charges are just another example of the true, wholly foreseeable costs of this folly.
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But like, I was that young person, “young lefties are the future etc,” and I voted remain with my democratic socialist views, but I was wrong, and now I think mostly the opposite, thanks to Owen Jones, Novara Media, so I don’t think that generalisation is fruitful.
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No, that sort of Remoaning "it wasn't fair" message doesn't help really. The vote was fair and square, and in a democracy you are on thin ice the moment you ignore a vote. If you see my reply above, the fault was with Remain (Cameron et al) and their dire, ill-considered campaign message. It was Remain's to win, and they lost it to a bunch of charlatans and fools because they could not understand the basic psychology of their own people. Tell me why it's great to be a member of Macrumors and I'll probably stay. Tell me my life is over without them and I need them to avoid being a hopeless failure, and I'm gone... It's trivial Psychology 101.
No biggie, back to using local SIMs then, it's much faster than being tunnelled back to the UK anyways
Indeed, and with eSIM on iPhone, is as easy as scanning a QR code. In every problem there is opportunity. I am a Romanian who left U.K. after the vote in 2016, but after almost 5 years on the continent, I manage to understand my british brothers, and I will go back in a few days. There is a big difference in mentality between E.U. and the U.K.
£2 a day is more than the cost of my contract and that's a lot compared to having "no plans to reintroduce roaming charges"
Absolutely, and I also distinctly remember a bunch of muppets going around on a red bus claiming they would have given an extra £350 million a week to the NHS.
Between EU and the UK or between Romania and the UK? Do you claim to speak for the entire EU just based on really anecdotal evidence, or have you actually lived in most EU countries?
I lived and worked in DE, NL, HU, IT, ES, FI and CZ from the E.U. countries.
Data roaming is a vpn tunnel back to your operator. That is why you retain a local IP while roaming.
Not even the hard line Brexiteers could keep up this sham for that long once it hits their bottom line.
We’ll be back.
Exactly, I don't think this will last. Plenty of countries like Norway, Iceland, and Switzerland are not part of the EU but participate in these free roaming agreements, while it was an EU initiative it is not limited to the EU. All it takes is for one of the other big three to commit to free roaming in the EU and they will lose customers.
Also I think the point is a bit mute, you just pay for the £10 Roam at home thing and use your phone normally for a month. I split my time between Europe and the US so I may think about changing my second SIM provider.
I wish there was a 'first world SIM' where I can use my phone normally for as long as I want in any first world country from US>Europe>AZNZ>Japan>Korea>HK/SP.
You are right, it is not just about that roaming, but to show people the benefits - as you write and to show some details, they do understand. As a whole we all are not able to understand everything, but looking at these tiny details and benefits would have helped a lot.
Not really. They understand that very few of their customers ever roam overseas, so they can advertise it as a benefit that will never be used. Also, most (if not all) of the systems in most (if not all) of the countries for which they support free data roaming are T-Mobile, so will there will be no charge to them for it.
Northern Ireland is part of the UK. It says in the article that the Republic of Ireland is going to remain free to roam.
Stop: There is the same problem in Switzerland as in UK now. No EU roaming. Quite interesting for EU citizens travelling to Italy, crossing Switzerland and letting kids watch Youtube in the car, not knowing that fact...
Norway Iceland and Liechtenstein are part of the EWR agreement, they do have it. Switzerland is not and it annoys people.
One could have asked Switzerland first before leaving, learning a bit about the consequences in many other sectors...
Leaving UK in the free roaming agreement would have brought up some problems for the operators. They need to kick them out.
T-Mobile only has a presence in 4 EU countries. There's 27 EU states + 3 more that are part of the roaming agreement. 13% are covered with a network owned or controlled by T-Mobile.
EDIT: Looks like T-Mobile has a bigger share than I thought, but it still represents a minority, less than 1/3 of states involved.
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