Yeah… and given my mobile contract is for unlimited data, exactly what is then considered "fair" to the roaming EU country?! 😂
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UK Network Operator EE to Charge Customers for Roaming Within the EU
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OK, Iceland, Norway, and Liechtenstein. The point remains, countries outside of the EU can be part of the free roaming agreements. This is just EE (really BT now) seeing what they can get away with.
I'm not worried about democracy. I'm worried that we don't have a correct and fair process to inform people of the actual facts. And that process is generally abused by those with power to get what they want.
We have a prime minister who has zero problem lying to the public (witness what is going on in N. Ireland as we speak).
So you can talk about "how democracy works" all day. But democracy without truth doesn't work does it?
It would be like having a stock exchange where the prices are all lies. How does that market operate effectively? It doesnt, thats how.
I'm of the opinion that the UK will never rejoin the EU. Under a typical circumstances I would say it would take a couple of generations until the generation that was most effected by Brexit are the strongest voting group for it to happen. That said, the main reason I would say that rejoining the EU is a no-go from the start is that from what I understand it, any "new" EU member comes with joining the Euro as a requirement… and dropping the British Pound will be simply a no go from the start.
The point has been that the directives coming out of Brussels are not laws but the similar of a U.S. executive order with the same hierarchical status of a law, if not automatically superseding national law. As such, they do not express the will of the people but of a ruling class not subject to checks and balances.
As a former German citizen, I think it would be good for Germany to undergo a Dexit, France a Frexit, and so forth. The EU, while making intramural travel smooth and convenient, has largely absorbed the sovereignty of the German people, which it’s 1949 constitution had reserved for themselves.
Stop: There is the same problem in Switzerland as in UK now. No EU roaming. Quite interesting for EU citizens travelling to Italy, crossing Switzerland and letting kids watch Youtube in the car, not knowing that fact...
Norway Iceland and Liechtenstein are part of the EWR agreement, they do have it. Switzerland is not and it annoys people.
One could have asked Switzerland first before leaving, learning a bit about the consequences in many other sectors...
Countries within the EEA (European Economic Area) (EWR in German) are included. Others are not. Just saying, ok what the heck, we do integrate them, would bring them into heavy trouble. I am not a lawyer, but if I were, I just would wait for that moment and then start to fight it. Expecting a positive result for all countries on this continent, but first of all fight that "what the heck..." argument. Operators are forced to charge for roaming now...
Same could apply for britisch Wensleydale cheese. Formerly available on the continent because there was a "roaming" agreement (EU) now becoming a possibly dangerous alien product, that has to be controlled every time.
The biggest broadcasters by far in the UK were overwhelmingly pro-EU. The BBC which has a mandate to be impartial was anything but. Not even the most pro-EU supporter can claim the majority of media was pro-Brexit. Outside of a few news papers it was nothing but project fear.
Also the lies that came out of project fear that never materialized were ridiculous. The left seem to think that those who voted in favor of Brexit were misinformed and that if 'we had the facts' we would've chosen to remain. I totally disagree. It boiled down to we want to be in control of our own nation and to leave a completely undemocratic EU. The remainers have never gotten over losing and thus have to think that Brexit happened because of some bus slogan or some unfilled promise.
It was down to a condescending Europhile London elite who looked down on and mocked ordinary working people as stupid, thick, xenophobic, racist etc and an understanding that the EU is an undemocratic institution that doesn't listens to us. Simple as that. Those issues dwarf any roaming fees.
Also before you lump me in with the stupid thick people who didn't know what they were voting for. I lived in Germany, I speak German, I travel the world, I am now married to a non-Brit and living in the US. I have an MSc in EEE from one of the worlds best engineering schools. There's a large anti-EU sentiment in Germany and much of Europe and it's going to fail eventually, the currency alone would be its downfall.
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They were abused by the dark force, who knew, these people did not know, what they were voting for. They were abused by people, who knew, what they are doing - for whatever reason....
Do not be rude towards these people, they are the way they are. Some of them even do work for you, you would refuse to do. 😉
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As a UK citizen in the US who lived in Germany I agree. There is huge anti-EU sentiment in places like Germany and France and it's growing every day. The EU is becoming less and less popular.
Most Americans are shocked when I explain how the EU functions. That the EU Commission are the ONLY ONES allowed to propose legislation for the EU Parliament to rubber stamp and we cannot vote or remove members from the EU Commission. The EU President is also picked by a small group from the Commission and not voted on. The people we do vote for are basically a rubber stamping brigade and staggeringly expensive.
I compare it to if NAFTA suddenly become a supranational government above the US federal government and you couldn't vote for the people proposing law that supersedes your own national law - and you never once had a vote on whether or not to join. I think almost all Americans would lose their minds over it. But this is exactly what the EU is. A trading block that morphed into a supranational government entity with total power and we only ever voted to join a common market (something I still support). The single time the British people were asked if they wished to be a part of the EU they voted no.
I will always refuse to be governed by entities/people I cannot, at least in theory, get rid of.
I don't even understand what it is you're trying to say. I know these people because I'm one of them. The majority of my friends back home, guys in their 20's, voted for Brexit.
I see it differently. Essentially what the UK needs to understand is that many of the problems they are/were trying to resolve with Brexit are caused by Whitehall rather than Brussels. Whitehall has been very clever in making the UK public think that the problems are external rather than them mostly being internal. Don't get me wrong, Brussels can be their own worst enemy a lot of the time but the UK, and each of its components, have always been sovereign states and masters of their own domains.
With regards to the actual vote the lies and/or truths didn't really matter. Brexit I think was going to happen anyway. When people are unhappy and disgruntled and know they need change… the moment you offer them a change they will take it because all they know is that by keeping things the same nothing will change.
The biggest downside to Breixt is that it may well trigger the breakup of the UK with Scottish independence as as well Irish reunification. The former may well result in a hard border on mainland Britain.
First, the UK is not a direct democracy. Second, it is a little rich talking about democracy when there is ample evidence people in the UK changed their minds between the referendum and actually leaving the EU. See the graph below? The data have been publicly available since the referendum. Data built up over time starting in late 2017 that people thought Brexit was a mistake. That gave the UK government literally years to reverse course but the Conservatives didn't want to lose the UKIP vote.
Source: https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politic...ition-period-almost-over-51-40-britons-think-
I'm sorry but I, as a client of a Dutch telecom provider, have free roaming in Switzerland. And I'm pretty sure there are plenty of other EU providers that offer free roaming in Switzerland as part of their package.
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It would be righteous also hold sections of the media accountable. For example, a story like this, that posits a 3-6% decrease in GDP whilst being docilely absorbed by millions of citizens during peak Brexit anxiety, was actually emphatically false and stayed broadly within the same range as other comparable economies.
So, truths, or perceived truths aren’t actually true in some cases, because many people are deriving their truths from objectively false information. Employment grew after Brexit, wages stagnated somewhat due to inflation, house prices are still rising, the only Armageddon we had was from a virus.
- Someone who voted remain.
Ja, dat kan. This is possible, because your provider does grant you that freedom in your contract because YOU pay for it. It is not available as part of the general EU roaming regulataion. Het is gewoon zo - ik zit aan de Zwitserse kant. It is that way - the provider and not the agreement does the job here. Do NOT expect it in any cheap contact or even prepaid card...
Oh I wouldn't expect it in a prepaid card, but as far as I know all major Dutch providers have included Switzerland. So those EU citizens driving through Switzerland with kids watching YouTube probably all have it included.
But not the rest of the EU. Anyway, thank you for pointing that out - I didn't clock this information when I read the article. Getting old...
As an ardent remainer, who would have voted to for everything up to and including the UK becoming a state within a United States of Europe, I completely disagree. It was a free and fair democratic decision, and we lost. Any attempt to rejoin in at least the next generation (30+years) will be perceived as an attempt to overthrow the result and likely have even worse consequences than Brexit ever will. If at some point in the future there is clear and overwhelming public opinion for rejoining then maybe, but until polls are showing this no thanks. Going forward I will be fascinated to see how the EU develops without the dead weight of the UK dragging its heels.
What does your point about direct democracy have to do with anything. I took issue with not being able to vote for the people who propose legislation that covers every facet of my life. Not with the pro's and con's of various systems of democracy.
Yes, maybe this does reflect the opinion of the British people, but it doesn't change the result of the referendum should be respected and enacted upon. I would expect the discontent to die down once the UK economy begins to recover from the China virus. We don't keep flipping back and forth every other month. If you want to rejoin the EU then I suggest you vote for parties who want to enact that measure, build up a majority in Parliament and have a referendum. I seriously doubt that would work and I believe most Brits are tired of hearing about Brexit and just want to get on with their lives. Did the absolutely crushing wins for the Tories not tell you something and the complete annihilation of the Labour Party that turned their backs on the working class?