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Well that's that then. I'm not getting an iPhone.
200 minutes I could (just about) have lived with.
200 texts are more than enough for me.
The most important part for the iPhone for me was the internet. I was even going to put more hours in at work just so I could get an iPhone too! Ah well.
I'll get a 16gb iPod Touch.
200 minutes I could (just about) have lived with.
200 texts are more than enough for me.
The most important part for the iPhone for me was the internet. I was even going to put more hours in at work just so I could get an iPhone too! Ah well.
I'll get a 16gb iPod Touch.
You'll just be frustrated at how limited the Touch is. All the people I know who've bought one have been.
otoh if you're that stretched to buy an iPhone I'd buy something you can afford. It's only a phone at the end of the day.
For all those who are pissed off about the fair use limit - As I think we all are - I recommend getting urself down to McDonalds to cane their free Wifi. A nice hot chocolate and a surf ought to do it. And there are a LOT of McDonalds restaurants around...
I abhor macdonalds.
You'd be surprised at the coverage from the The Cloud. They have access points in phone boxes etc.
Not really, it's just been a month of insane spending (first job after graduation like ).
It's a terrible situation actually. The iPhone sounds friggin incredible, I've played with an iPod Touch in an Apple store and I was blown away. It's just o2 and their service. I don't mind switching to them and I don't have anything against them at all.
A push I know but if if o2 offered unlimited data or doubled the number of calls (at least) then I might consider it.
But they won't.
Now thinking about scrapping the whole idea and sticking with my 80gb 5.5G iPod.
).It's a terrible situation actually. The iPhone sounds friggin incredible, I've played with an iPod Touch in an Apple store and I was blown away. It's just o2 and their service. I don't mind switching to them and I don't have anything against them at all.
A push I know but if if o2 offered unlimited data or doubled the number of calls (at least) then I might consider it.
But they won't.
Now thinking about scrapping the whole idea and sticking with my 80gb 5.5G iPod.
I'm just gonna lump for the £45 price plan, with the extra mins and texts.
I hope that within the first month or two, EVERY (or at least most) iPhone user will go over the 200MB and o2 will change the fair usage policy as soon as they realise it's un-realistic.
Here's hoping anyway...
I know how you feel mate I'm feeling the same way.
When I seen the deal I was very disappointed about the texts and minutes you got form your £35, having said that it was enough for me! The killer part was unlimited data, now they say thats 200mb a month.... well thats attrocious, 200mb a month might have been ok what 5 years ago MAYBE.... But not todays internet of streaming video and apps like google maps. I suppose time will tell on how flexible they are with it. the first letter of complaint I get about going over my limit I'm threatening to cancel and talking to ofcom. They hate that kind of misadvertising.
When I seen the deal I was very disappointed about the texts and minutes you got form your £35, having said that it was enough for me! The killer part was unlimited data, now they say thats 200mb a month.... well thats attrocious, 200mb a month might have been ok what 5 years ago MAYBE.... But not todays internet of streaming video and apps like google maps. I suppose time will tell on how flexible they are with it. the first letter of complaint I get about going over my limit I'm threatening to cancel and talking to ofcom. They hate that kind of misadvertising.
well thats the thing - they wont go "oh all the iphone users are going over their limit we better up that limit to keep them happy"
it will be more like
"haha youre bound to an 18 month contract, were gonna start charging you for the data if you repeatedly go over 200mb, so buckle down or cough up" :/
I think the iPod Touch, once the SDK is available and the creating/editing calendar entries thing has been fixed, will be a much better proposition in the UK. It really needs Bluetooth, though
The value proposition of the iPhone with O2 in the UK, compared with other tariffs including O2's own, is terrible. But, in all honesty, I can't see many 'regular people', Mac users included, buying the iPhone in its first generation. I know I'm not. I don't doubt that the interface is nothing short of revolutionary, but it's so lacking in standard features compared to almost every other phone on the market here, even budget phones, that I don't think our other four national 3G networks have much to worry about.
Sure, I think the iPhone will be a massive success over time... just not this first generation in this country. Don't feel you have to run out and buy one, with these stinking O2 tariffs, just because it's the iPhone. Don't reward either company, particularly O2, with your money when they're setting down so many hoops to jump through.
The value proposition of the iPhone with O2 in the UK, compared with other tariffs including O2's own, is terrible. But, in all honesty, I can't see many 'regular people', Mac users included, buying the iPhone in its first generation. I know I'm not. I don't doubt that the interface is nothing short of revolutionary, but it's so lacking in standard features compared to almost every other phone on the market here, even budget phones, that I don't think our other four national 3G networks have much to worry about.
Sure, I think the iPhone will be a massive success over time... just not this first generation in this country. Don't feel you have to run out and buy one, with these stinking O2 tariffs, just because it's the iPhone. Don't reward either company, particularly O2, with your money when they're setting down so many hoops to jump through.
I dought that the iphone will sell well here in the uk. Apple made a great product but O2 screwed it up.
Youtube app = pointless on o2
safari = don't use it to much
Thank god o2 is offering UNLIMITED DATA.
Youtube app = pointless on o2
safari = don't use it to much
Thank god o2 is offering UNLIMITED DATA.
Y'know if everyone canes the data on the first month and did the above it would be interesting to see what O2 would do.
I'd just persuaded myself that it'd be good being able to download my mails on the move without worrying about Orange's crap data allowance, and decided I'd get an iPhone on the launch day.
And now this.
I find it utterly absurd. Is there even any leeway for either truly unlimited data, or at least a higher ceiling? I just checked my router, and this morning alone I've chucked 50Mb over my WiFi to my Orange SPV, just browsing in Opera.
Ofcom should stop sitting on their hands and ban the use of 'unlimited' when there's a circuit board involved, unless it truly is unlimited.
I'd even booked the day off work. GRrrrr.
I think the worst thing about it is many will realise how hellish that 200mb limit is and be too late to return their iPhones. I feel like using my day off to go and picket outside the Glasgow Apple Store to get people to boycott it
edit:
you can complain to the ASA regarding this, because it's on their website saying unlimited. That is advertising. I've lodged one complaint, I'd say everyone should do the same
I mentioned this to the ASA:
This is going to be one of the largest product launches in the UK this year, and many people are going to rush to buy it - people who would think twice if these limits were clearly explained (which they are not - anywhere).
Dunno why, but I'm worried for the people who will not find this information out before signing up, and only get hit by a big bill for excess data. These things are never explained or detailed well by O2, and I think they may well go the extra mile to hide it from customers this time.
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And now this.
I find it utterly absurd. Is there even any leeway for either truly unlimited data, or at least a higher ceiling? I just checked my router, and this morning alone I've chucked 50Mb over my WiFi to my Orange SPV, just browsing in Opera.
Ofcom should stop sitting on their hands and ban the use of 'unlimited' when there's a circuit board involved, unless it truly is unlimited.
I'd even booked the day off work. GRrrrr.
I think the worst thing about it is many will realise how hellish that 200mb limit is and be too late to return their iPhones. I feel like using my day off to go and picket outside the Glasgow Apple Store to get people to boycott it
edit:
you can complain to the ASA regarding this, because it's on their website saying unlimited. That is advertising. I've lodged one complaint, I'd say everyone should do the same
I mentioned this to the ASA:
This is going to be one of the largest product launches in the UK this year, and many people are going to rush to buy it - people who would think twice if these limits were clearly explained (which they are not - anywhere).
Dunno why, but I'm worried for the people who will not find this information out before signing up, and only get hit by a big bill for excess data. These things are never explained or detailed well by O2, and I think they may well go the extra mile to hide it from customers this time.
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Well the first page of this thread is 174798 bytes - can someone who's good at maths work out that in kb / MB ?
The main thing I'm worried about, is that the limit includes the wi-fi usage in cloud areas. So the new feature of the Wi-Fi iTunes store will be limited.
What if I want to download a full album which is iTunes+ or two for that matter!? I'm gonna go over my limit!
There are 1024 bytes in a kb. 174,798 would then work out as 170.7kb, or 0.167mb.
You don't need to be good at maths, you just need to know how to tell calculator.app how to divide 174798 by 1024.
There are 1024 bytes in a kb. 174,798 would then work out as 170.7kb, or 0.167mb.
You don't need to be good at maths, you just need to know how to tell calculator.app how to divide 174798 by 1024.
So going by that, if you view this thread 1000 times you use 167MB
so the 1200 web pages is pretty accurate (although per month not per day)
Now let's see if we can work out Google Map sizes, and iPhone YouTube video sizes... not forgetting any Wi-Fi iTunes Store purchases which will be included in this allowance if you use the cloud Wi-Fi!
Are you sure about that? I'm not sure how that would work. How would O2 know what proportion of your data had been through their EDGE network and what proportion had been through a Cloud wi-fi zone?
Could you link to a source for that rather worrying bit of info?
According to the tariff info on apple.com/uk there is indeed a fair usage policy on Cloud wi-fi but it seems to be treated separately from the EGDE data fair use policy:
http://www.apple.com/uk/iphone/easysetup/rateplans.html
Jonny, taken from earlier in this thread...
Am I missing something or is the 200MB for both - or just for O2's network? and the Cloud Wi-Fi is only limited in timescale?
Am I missing something or is the 200MB for both - or just for O2's network? and the Cloud Wi-Fi is only limited in timescale?
From the wording you posted (taken from a sananda post earlier in this thread) it seems to be 200 MB just in relation to O2 Edge usage.
The additional 60 hours per month (or about two hours per day) on Cloud that they take into account allows them to quote the misleading figure of 1400 pages per day.
I can't see myself being in a position to use Cloud for even a fraction of the 60 hours per month!
The additional 60 hours per month (or about two hours per day) on Cloud that they take into account allows them to quote the misleading figure of 1400 pages per day.
I can't see myself being in a position to use Cloud for even a fraction of the 60 hours per month!
Thought that might have been the case and I mis-read it slightly.
I think it was
which threw me.
It's annoyingly ambiguous but I can't see how they'd communicate between the two companies in order to add up the cumulative data downloaded via the two different limited methods in order to calculate whether you'd reached your limit.
I reckon it has to be one fair usage for O2 EDGE and a separate one for Cloud. I bloody hope so anyway. I looked at the main product page at Apple today and that alone was 775kb. You could spend a while just browsing Apple and reach your limit in a very short time!
I reckon it has to be one fair usage for O2 EDGE and a separate one for Cloud. I bloody hope so anyway. I looked at the main product page at Apple today and that alone was 775kb. You could spend a while just browsing Apple and reach your limit in a very short time!
I think I will mainly use EDGE when I'm out because although there are 5 cloud hotspots in my local town they're spread out and not near to where I work or go to college.
when im at home it wont be too bad because I have got WiFi but others EDGE will probably get used otherwise.
Will be glad when O2 release the fine details of the fair uage policy and hopefully it will turn out to be better than expected.
when im at home it wont be too bad because I have got WiFi but others EDGE will probably get used otherwise.
Will be glad when O2 release the fine details of the fair uage policy and hopefully it will turn out to be better than expected.
Pretty much the same for me, I'm gonna be using EDGE/GPRS whilst out and about - even though there are plenty of Cloud Wi-Fi hotspots in and around Warrington, the only one's I'd probably use are the ones in local pubs, so I can have it in the pub showing it off to mates.
So the already terrible iPhone contracts get even more terrible.
I think anyone willing to shell out £35 a month for 200 mins, 200 texts and 200Mb of data needs their head looking at. And after raping you with that for eighteen months they also expect you to buy the hardware? No thanks.
As good as the iPhone is it's not good enough to make me bend over and take it in the arse from O2 and Apple.
I just wonder if we'd have gotten decent deals if Apple hadn't been greedy enough to demand part of our monthly fee. As it is I hope the iPhone is a failure because they need to be sent a message. But unfortunately I'm sure there are enough stupid/desperate people out there to make it a success.
I think anyone willing to shell out £35 a month for 200 mins, 200 texts and 200Mb of data needs their head looking at. And after raping you with that for eighteen months they also expect you to buy the hardware? No thanks.
As good as the iPhone is it's not good enough to make me bend over and take it in the arse from O2 and Apple.
I just wonder if we'd have gotten decent deals if Apple hadn't been greedy enough to demand part of our monthly fee. As it is I hope the iPhone is a failure because they need to be sent a message. But unfortunately I'm sure there are enough stupid/desperate people out there to make it a success.