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Whilst I agree with Apple's stance, there are many worse governments ;)
This is true, but they're speed running themselves to near the top of that list in record time. I used to want to visit the UK, but it's been removed from my list of places I want to visit after I vetoed the United States.
 
You chose the wrong headline: Apple is not involved as the driving force behind such ideas.

The video is boring because it shows the shadows of institutional players, but neither names the driving forces nor the interested parties.
I don't have the courage to do that either.
I think the stupid people who use WhatsApp, X and similar apps to enrich their lives will lose out. The smart people who still talk to each other while walking hand in hand will be the winners.

Until now, there has been ethically driven legislation, America tries to show that there are other ways possible to go, the UK obediently follows suit, and technologically naive Europe has a good base but yet to learn what it is doing and why.
Apple, and all other major tech companies apparently have implemented this technology called “client side scanning” which means all interactions that are visible on the screen are captured and processed. Conveniently they can still claim that all processes thereafter are encrypted, which at this point only improves the security against illegal activity. According to this video, in Europe, at least, but likely in the US as well, all data scanned in this client side scan process is legally processed by law-enforcement. I’m not sure which part of this video you think is boring or unspecific. I wholeheartedly agree that face-to-face communication is the best.
 
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This is true, but they're speed running themselves to near the top of that list in record time. I used to want to visit the UK, but it's been removed from my list of places I want to visit after I vetoed the United States.
The simple fact is that this request likely originated in the previous government (especially given the timescale) which is a response to what the security services are requesting.

Encryption is an important tenant of privacy, but also causes security an issue.

I’d rather have privacy given the US Cloud companies state-sponsored snooping in most Cloud platforms. The fact Apple is taking the stand makes me think that everyone else has rolled over.
 
The UK government are a joke and there is definitely two tier justice. If you even try to discuss issues such as immigration or speak out against them you are labelled racist and will likely be arrested. Meanwhile their own party members can threaten to cut ‘right wing’ supporters throats and they have no action taken against them (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cjeykklwn7vo). TwoTierKeir at his finest.
 
Lefties lefting, again. Just like how the Danish socialist prime minister tries to reintroduce chat control in the EU. People are forced to use paper straws, but the EU is fine to use enermous amounts of energy for AI spying on its citizens. Yet they and their fans pose as protectors of rights and freedom.

At a time when they should present the sane alternative to the radical right, they are doing a very bad job at it.
 
The negative reaction to this post from people who don’t live in the UK is hilarious 🤣

I live in the UK, and in fact I was at one protest in central London where people got arrested for wearing a shirt, or holding a placard, with the “wrong” slogan.
I am not saying anything about whether it is right or wrong, but it is demonstrably true to say that people (including old age pensioners) have been arrested, and in some cases charged with terrorism related offences, for that reason.
It is not even particularly surprising that this does happen, so the comment of this being “not true” is just lazy at best, or otherwise intentionally inflaming.
 
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Whilst I agree with Apple's stance, there are many worse governments ;)
Not to start political discussion on here but the UK is doing really bad.

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My country, which used to be part of former Soviet Union is doing better than the UK on all of those stats and I don't trust my government either and they should have no access to my personal data or messages.

When I went to school we were constantly taught not to trust the government and the media but to use our own heads.

Once one of my teachers told that schools are for brainwashing and she's brainwashing us even now and if we don't understand that then we're stupid.

And others report for being detained for wearing a shirt. I don't trust any governments + the situation can always change quickly.

Russia was a very different place back in 2007 too in terms of freedom. Look how fast it changed once they attacked Ukraine. How would you even think that the UK would always be fair towards everyone?

We're returning back to the USSR days when they used to read all the letters in the post office. What I say to someone else is not governments business.

I also don't believe it's for "protecting children" etc. There are at least a 100 reasons why I don't believe that's the case. We can't give our freedom away, because once it's gone it's gone.
 
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"Global Access" is the key word here. I don't want the UK to have any of my data.
Soon there are no other options but GrapheneOS or something similar and Linux distros.
We can totally agree that the actions of the UL had much wider repercussions and require challenging. My point is to challenge the narrative that somehow the UK is jailing people for what’s written in a t-shirt when I would get in the US for criticism of “dear leader” on social media

The real question you have to ask is what backdoors already exist in the other companies if Apple is the only one taking the stand
 
I live in the UK, and in fact I was at one protest in central London where people got arrested for wearing a shirt, or holding a placard, with the “wrong” slogan.
I am not saying anything about whether it is right or wrong, but it is demonstrably true to say that people (including old age pensioners) have been arrested, and in some cases charged with terrorism related offences, for that reason.
It is not even particularly surprising that this does happen, so the comment of this being “not true” is just lazy at best, or otherwise intentionally inflaming.
Ok, where and when was someone banned just for what was written on a t-shirt?
 
You’d think so. Meanwhile you have to reconcile Netanyahu saying that you can’t question the actions of Israel and also be “real MAGA,” and you have Lindsay Graham posting this:

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I've seen wet paper towels with more backbone than Graham.

My lord is he an embarrassment to humanity.

I can't even imagine living with myself if I'd debased myself and contorted my shape into whatever "Dear Leader" wanted to the degree which he has.
 
You can get arrested for wearing the wrong shirt in the UK now. This is merely par for the course.
I have no idea who disagreed with you but a quick google search shows your statement is a fact. Anyone disagreeing with you is obviously misinformed. 🙏🏼
 
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We can totally agree that the actions of the UL had much wider repercussions and require challenging. My point is to challenge the narrative that somehow the UK is jailing people for what’s written in a t-shirt when I would get in the US for criticism of “dear leader” on social media

The real question you have to ask is what backdoors already exist in the other companies if Apple is the only one taking the stand
Remember when Snowden was surprise for everyone? Of course there are backdoors. Never trust any company or government. They're not your friends.
 
Man the UK government is getting ALOT of bad publicity recently
As a UK citizen, I want it in record that I’m proud that our govt takes the US “special relationship “ so seriously. When you guys are the laughing stock of the world - we don’t laugh, we don’t judge, we just screw up to try to deflect some attention from your current great leader

A thank you would be appreciated
 
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Ok, where and when was someone banned just for what was written on a t-shirt?

Are you trying to gaslight me?

I am not going to post each and every news article of people being arrested in the UK for the slogan they had on their shirt.
Just make a little bit of effort please, or is it a case of the truth not getting in the way of your opinion?
 
I know the economic realities, but I just wish Apple could withdraw all services from the UK.
 
The simple fact is that this request likely originated in the previous government (especially given the timescale) which is a response to what the security services are requesting.

Encryption is an important tenant of privacy, but also causes security an issue.

I’d rather have privacy given the US Cloud companies state-sponsored snooping in most Cloud platforms. The fact Apple is taking the stand makes me think that everyone else has rolled over.
I'm in Canada, and beyond the very, very basics of iCloud, all other storage is hosted in Canada. I do not trust the US Government any more than I have to. Given the dystopian nonsensical (pretending the age verification is for kids and such) that the UK is doing, I wouldn't trust them anyway.
 
Lefties lefting, again. Just like how the Danish socialist prime minister tries to reintroduce chat control in the EU. People are forced to use paper straws, but the EU is fine to use enermous amounts of energy for AI spying on its citizens. Yet they and their fans pose as protectors of rights and freedom.

At a time when they should present the sane alternative to the radical right, they are doing a very bad job at it.
If you think the current UK government is left, you need your reality checked. It's well to the right of Margaret Thatcher. Having lived through both Thatcher and Starmer I think I have a point of comparison. Actual left voters in the UK are abandoning the current government in droves over exactly the sort of authoritarian stuff we're seeing. We'll see if they try to toss some crumbs to stem the leakage.....
 
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You’d think so. Meanwhile you have to reconcile Netanyahu saying that you can’t question the actions of Israel and also be “real MAGA,” and you have Lindsay Graham posting this:

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And if them's the rules, the rest of the world is pretty quickly going to decide the US isn't worth the trouble. At least all you get with China in terms of liability is loan-shark-grade lending practices and spyware.
 
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