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Yes... I primarily use Fedora now on a machine I made myself. I actually went from Linux (and FreeBSD) to Mac OS X when it became a thing... now I'm going back.
I have made machines before as well. I was thinking of a laptop with Linux or FreeBSD.
 
No, not really. iOS started off as a phone operating system. With current hardware more people are using it as a general purpose device. Apple sells iPad's now as an laptop replacement... so they are trying to compete with general purpose devices. macOS is (or its suppose to be) a general computing platform... though its being restricted more and more.
My point was that many do not want a walled iOS.
 
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Why ? A phone is simply a computer, doesn't matter if it's Apple or Google or Windows or Jolla or Sony or Xbox, all these app stores SHOULD be made to allow the user to download and install software from wherever they want.

The whole 'buying in to an ecosystem' is bad for all of us, don't get me wrong, if you want to only download from the official app store - fine, but it should be mandatory that you can write your or own software or download from elsewhere, even install a new OS should you rather do that than have to dispose of your phone when it's no longer supported.
No, it’s not “simply a computer”.
And it does matter who makes it because they get to decide what features they offer and support on the device they make and sell. Your choice as the consumer is to purchase a device whose features you want. You can not and should not get to dictate to them what they must do simply because it’s what you want.

If you don’t like it, don’t buy it. Apple does NOT have a smart phone monopoly. You have options.
 
I'm a robot, I will obey.....

In any other walk of life you know this would be absolutely ridiculous:

LG only allow me to watch approved shows on my LG TV - ridiculous​
Ford decide where I drive my car -ridiculous​
......​
...wait until MacOS gets locked down the same way​
If LG did that, then I would buy another brands TV.
If Ford did that, then I would buy another brands car.
If you don’t like what Apple offers, buy another brands phone. If enough people do that they will change.
Unless a company has a monopoly (and Apple doesn’t) then that’s how it does and should work.
Forcing Apple (or any company) to offer additional features and support massive changes in their product just because you WANT it to be exactly how you like (not need, like) is asinine.
Understanding how choice works doesn’t make me a robot, it makes me rational.
 
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The same line told gets more and more boring every time Apple and anyone else that uses it, which is 'Apple does not have a monopoly on mobile phones because they have competition from Android'. The thing is, that is not the point which is being made. The point that is being made is that Apple have a monopoly on iOS, which is true.

Apple has a monopoly on iOS regardless of whether it has sold a billion iPhones or just 1 iphone. Just like McDonald’s has a monopoly on Big Macs, and Coke has a monopoly on well, coke.

That argument is never going to fly in court because the target market is simply too narrow.
 
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Well of course Apple has a monopoly over iOS. I mean, after all, Apple invented and created iOS. It's like snatching a baby you produced away from you and saying that you have a "monopoly" over the baby. Well, duh of course you have a "monopoly" over your products because you created them!! These stupid apps just dont make sense and simply want to snatch away profits
 
No, it’s not “simply a computer”.
And it does matter who makes it because they get to decide what features they offer and support on the device they make and sell. Your choice as the consumer is to purchase a device whose features you want. You can not and should not get to dictate to them what they must do simply because it’s what you want.

If you don’t like it, don’t buy it. Apple does NOT have a smart phone monopoly. You have options.
Nobody said Apple has a smartphone monopoly. What they are is part of a smartphone OS duopoly with Google and that makes them subject to anti-trust laws, and potentially actions based on those laws. The only people going on about how “Apple isn’t a monopoly so these laws don’t apply to them,” are those who don’t understand that anti-trust laws don’t only apply to true monopolies.


You’ll have trouble finding where the word monopoly is used even once.
 
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Yeah I don’t really get the issue here. It is apples own developed software and hardware with a purpose to provide a seamless and secure experience. They‘re able to perfect this world by having it in its own garden. If they start opening it up, it becomes less secure and let’s be real most people do not know basic security features considering how many people still use 123 as passcodes or clicking on ads etc...easily for any such individual to download shady apps which would no doubt happen with unsecure App Store. so they open it up to allow other app stores and yet people will blame Apple again for allowing such open sources.

Seems pretty stupid. It’s not even as if Apple owns and dominates the phone market. I’m not sure why there is a sense that Apple owes it to people to open up more.

if you want more options for risky installs, stick with android.
 
It's YOUR device. This would be like Ford telling you what you can and cannot put in, or on, your car. Sure, it's Ford's "platform" but......
Uh I can throw my phone in my swimming pool and leave it there. Its my device so I can do that.
 
Nobody said Apple has a smartphone monopoly. What they are is part of a smartphone OS duopoly with Google and that makes them subject to anti-trust laws, and potentially actions based on those laws. The only people going on about how “Apple isn’t a monopoly so these laws don’t apply to them,” are those who don’t understand that anti-trust laws don’t only apply to true monopolies.


You’ll have trouble finding where the word monopoly is used even once.
The problem is that the prosecutors will never be able to prove it in court. US antitrust law focuses on harm done to the consumer. The owners of the Cydia platform are not Apple’s consumers.

There’s a reason why companies like Spotify, Epic and now Cydia are trying to play to the court of public opinion, because they know their lawsuit is on pretty shaky ground to begin with.

In addition, I have also made numerous arguments in the past about how I believe that the current walled nature of the App Store is what allows for the greatest amount of good for the greatest number of users, and I still stand by every word I have said.

You have Apple curating and vetting every app before allowing it onto the App Store. This makes the App Store a trusted marketplace for users, which in turn makes them more open to purchasing apps than they otherwise would be (and this in turn justifies the 30% cut that Apple imposes on developers, because they are still going to earn more than if they had tried to go at it alone). You have a trusted payment system and biometric authentication integrated at the system level. This makes developers continue to release apps fo iOS first, because the market is there.

All this is possible because of the walled nature of the App Store. I am an end-to-end Apple user because of business decisions like this. I look at how Google has been running their own play store and I have no desire to see the same fate befall the iOS App Store.

If we want to talk about acting in the best interests of Apple’s user base as a whole, a pretty strong point can be made that opening it up to other third party app stores would serve to compromise the vitality and viability of the iOS App Store, and users would lose out ultimately.

These companies just want to burn the App Store model down to the ground for their own financial gain. They have no interest in ensuring a healthy and thriving marketplace for their users.
 
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What’s the market? Software. Phones. Apple is a small player in both these markets. Oh - you think the “market” is apps running on Apple iPhones? Well...than prepared for a future in which the Switch needs to boot PS4 and iPhone games by default. Good luck with that. Also CD players need to play 8-tracks. Or else MONOPOLY.
I agree with you. People here are making the market WAY too narrow. Mobile apps is the market. Guess what? There is Android! This is like saying Costco has a monopoly on Kirkland products by only selling them at Cosco.
 
Here in lies the problem....a phone is a vital necessity. A premium smartphone isn’t. You can get your “vital” Nokia for free with a SIM card.

People tend to confuse “nice to have” with “need to have”.

This isn’t an all you can eat buffet where you get to pick and choose aspects you want from each manufacturer and then try to force them by claiming “monopoly“ or “anti-trust” or “anti-competitive”. Being a monopoly on your own product isn’t against the law; hell, it’s expected. Being successful through having a better product/ service/ business acumen isn’t against the law and isn’t “anti-competitive”.

This is the problem with the current generation...they want everything right now, have never been told “no” and everybody gets a participation award.
THANK YOU! Get a Jitterbug for a NECESSARY phone. Flip phone, with limited functionality. THIS is a NEED. An iPhone is NOT a NEED.
 
That's not a good reason. In that case Apple should immediately lock down macOS and Macs to protect us from piracy and malware.
They have. You now need to get notarization and Gatekeeper is enabled by default. It is getting more and more difficult to install apps that are not certified.
 
And they really, really want a walled iOS? Must be two completely distinct groups in that case.
YES! It is an extension of the most critical piece of technology - a phone. I NEED the ability to call 911 (emergency services for those outside of the US) at ANY point. Does my Mac? And yes, sometimes computers need to be locked down MASSIVELY. Why do you think large businesses lock things down so much? I can only install approved software on my Windows system from work.
 
They have. You now need to get notarization and Gatekeeper is enabled by default. It is getting more and more difficult to install apps that are not certified.
Difficult, but arbitrary for tech folks who know what they’re doing.

The entire point of Apple’s legendary ease of use for REGULAR people, is that they shouldn’t have to think about the intricacies of running a computer. Everything basic that 90% of people do is just taken care of. If you’re the more technical amongst us, you KNOW what you can do.

I don’t see the problem here. But I understand that as an IT person that macOS is incredibly complex and powerful like most OS’s these days, but it’s geared towards user-friendliness first and foremost. That focus is a legitimate part of their strategy. Some people, like the poster you’re quoting, seem to willfully dismiss that core business strategy as illegitimate.
 
Difficult, but arbitrary for tech folks who know what they’re doing.

The entire point of Apple’s legendary ease of use for REGULAR people, is that they shouldn’t have to think about the intricacies of running a computer. Everything basic that 90% of people do is just taken care of. If you’re the more technical amongst us, you KNOW what you can do.

I don’t see the problem here. But I understand that as an IT person that macOS is incredibly complex and powerful like most OS’s these days, but it’s geared towards user-friendliness first and foremost. That focus is a legitimate part of their strategy.
And you can jailbreak your iPhone if you read up how to do it.
 
Apple doesn't single-handedly dictate anything. If they want to act like a monopoly just because they have 60% US market share, or even 99%, they'll lose the rest of the world, and Google will get it for free. It is a duopoly, though.
And people bring up the Duopoly many times. It is not Apple's fault there is not a third phone maker in the US. Apple is not buying them out or preventing anyone from becoming a real competitor to Android or iPhone. I do NOT agree that we need to punish Google or Apple because nobody can create a competitor.
 
The same line told gets more and more boring every time Apple and anyone else that uses it, which is 'Apple does not have a monopoly on mobile phones because they have competition from Android'. The thing is, that is not the point which is being made. The point that is being made is that Apple have a monopoly on iOS, which is true.
And this is why such arguments make no sense when you make the market too narrow.
Microsoft has a monopoly on Xbox
Sony has a monopoly on Playstation

I CANNOT create an XBox or Playstation game, release it on my website, and let others download it WITHOUT giving something to Microsoft or Sony. And I still cannot release it on my website so I get 100% of the cost instead of splitting it with physical stores or the Xbox/PS store.
 
They are the only option for anyone who bought an iPad or iPhone, and is now pretty much locked into an ecosystem (also apple's intention).
And who's fault is that? You have a choice, you could have gotten a Samsung Galaxy Tab instead of that iPad. So just return the iPad and get an Android device with the freedom to install whatever you want.

Let's be real here, iPhones are not the MOST AMAZING products ever. I ONLY use an iPhone because its locked down. I do not like Android's complexity. If this changes, I would definitely move the Android because that is the only advantage an iPhone has. I would definitely prefer to spend less money if the experience is the same.
 
How dare they not allow Cydia and its ability to install pirated software!

for shame!

Without Cydia and Saurik the App Store wouldn’t exist since apple literally copied cydia. Apple also copies most jailbreak tweaks and puts them in the next iOS so your sarcasm is pretty dumb.
 
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Nobody said Apple has a smartphone monopoly. What they are is part of a smartphone OS duopoly with Google and that makes them subject to anti-trust laws, and potentially actions based on those laws. The only people going on about how “Apple isn’t a monopoly so these laws don’t apply to them,” are those who don’t understand that anti-trust laws don’t only apply to true monopolies.


You’ll have trouble finding where the word monopoly is used even once.
And forcing Apple to change (essentially punishing them because a third party has not developed yet) is a very VERY bad move. Don't like iPhone being locked down? There is a CLEAR alternative, Android. Which allows pretty much the same Apps (nearly all the important ones). So this makes any arguments moot. Cydia can be on Android and make their money there.
 
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