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You signed an agreement NOT to alter the software! Don’t like it!?! Get something else! There’s other platforms for that crap! I prefer my iPhone locked down and more secure without all of the BS
Ok then that's YOUR phone and you can choose to keep it that way if you wish.

Why then is the op unable to do with HIS phone what HE wants to do with it?
 
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If LG did that, then I would buy another brands TV.
If Ford did that, then I would buy another brands car.
If you don’t like what Apple offers, buy another brands phone. If enough people do that they will change.
Unless a company has a monopoly (and Apple doesn’t) then that’s how it does and should work.
Forcing Apple (or any company) to offer additional features and support massive changes in their product just because you WANT it to be exactly how you like (not need, like) is asinine.
Understanding how choice works doesn’t make me a robot, it makes me rational.
hmm...that's the whole point; 99% of people don't know what an informed choice is; you presume the whole audience for an iPhone sits on Macrumours all night; they don't.
 
One of the main problems is that Apple thinks they are selling ALL of us a "Managed" Device !

They don't think we actually own what we purchase !

That's the crux of it !

Throttling Perf is just one example of it.

Limiting what apps a User can OR cannot install is clearly another.

Cook should simply Drop the Apple Tax to 15% across the Board, with NO restrictions & NO thresholds !
I’m still puzzled how people the thottling to extend the life of the device after the battery starts spiking as a normal part of its life cycle. That usually ends up damaging the device.
At the end of it. Apple taking responsibility for my device for 3 or 4 years longer than the other companies is a good thing. If they didn’t offer support they would care what you do.
They are the ones who have to support the OS.
 
The problem is that the prosecutors will never be able to prove it in court. US antitrust law focuses on harm done to the consumer. The owners of the Cydia platform are not Apple’s consumers.

There’s a reason why companies like Spotify, Epic and now Cydia are trying to play to the court of public opinion, because they know their lawsuit is on pretty shaky ground to begin with.

In addition, I have also made numerous arguments in the past about how I believe that the current walled nature of the App Store is what allows for the greatest amount of good for the greatest number of users, and I still stand by every word I have said.

You have Apple curating and vetting every app before allowing it onto the App Store. This makes the App Store a trusted marketplace for users, which in turn makes them more open to purchasing apps than they otherwise would be (and this in turn justifies the 30% cut that Apple imposes on developers, because they are still going to earn more than if they had tried to go at it alone). You have a trusted payment system and biometric authentication integrated at the system level. This makes developers continue to release apps fo iOS first, because the market is there.

All this is possible because of the walled nature of the App Store. I am an end-to-end Apple user because of business decisions like this. I look at how Google has been running their own play store and I have no desire to see the same fate befall the iOS App Store.

If we want to talk about acting in the best interests of Apple’s user base as a whole, a pretty strong point can be made that opening it up to other third party app stores would serve to compromise the vitality and viability of the iOS App Store, and users would lose out ultimately.

These companies just want to burn the App Store model down to the ground for their own financial gain. They have no interest in ensuring a healthy and thriving marketplace for their users.
I don't agree with everything you say, but if all what you say is real / true and everyone picks Apple for all those reasons, is prepared to pay the premium for all those reasons then there is no danger from alternate app stores; no one would use them? However, it does not follow that another app store could not have in place even better curating [note, I don't for a minute think Apple execute the same dilligence in reality that they talk about]. It also doesn't follow that another app store is a pit of misery; in all likelihood 99% of the software would probably be the same, from the same developers; they would go to the store they would / could make the most money from wouldn't they.

You presume that people don't need choice; name any other walk of life where people don't want choice? You presume choice is a bad thing and only bad things come from having choice. Could you imagine how folks would feel if for example, a Mac and all its' trinkets could only be purchased from an Apple phyical store, no other way to get your stuff? It wouldn't matter how nice an Apple store was, people would not tolerate it.
 
You presume that people don't need choice; name any other walk of life where people don't want choice? You presume choice is a bad thing and only bad things come from having choice. Could you imagine how folks would feel if for example, a Mac and all its' trinkets could only be purchased from an Apple phyical store, no other way to get your stuff? It wouldn't matter how nice an Apple store was, people would not tolerate it.

I will say that people have made their choice not to have a choice (and to outsource the decision making to Apple) the moment they decided to buy an iPhone.

And this decision to not have a choice (or at least, the decision to not have to make a choice) is something which seems to have been largely left out of the discussion sphere, even though I feel it is just as important. Especially for select groups of consumers such as less tech savvy users.

Everything’s interconnected.
 
And forcing Apple to change (essentially punishing them because a third party has not developed yet) is a very VERY bad move. Don't like iPhone being locked down? There is a CLEAR alternative, Android. Which allows pretty much the same Apps (nearly all the important ones). So this makes any arguments moot. Cydia can be on Android and make their money there.
Apple’s not potentially being punished for there not being a third option. It would be for using their market position to act in an anti-competitive manner. If Apple wasn’t being anti-competitive there wouldn’t be anything to punish. It doesn’t matter that Android is an alternative. The problem for Apple is that they have to capability of single-handedly blocking developer access to over half of US smartphone consumers if developers don’t bend to their every whim.

 
I will say that people have made their choice not to have a choice (and to outsource the decision making to Apple) the moment they decided to buy an iPhone.

And this decision to not have a choice (or at least, the decision to not have to make a choice) is something which seems to have been largely left out of the discussion sphere, even though I feel it is just as important. Especially for select groups of consumers such as less tech savvy users.

Everything’s interconnected.
Apple's ability to tell me what apps I put on MY phone ends the minute the purchase is rung up.
 
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I will say that people have made their choice not to have a choice (and to outsource the decision making to Apple) the moment they decided to buy an iPhone.

And this decision to not have a choice (or at least, the decision to not have to make a choice) is something which seems to have been largely left out of the discussion sphere, even though I feel it is just as important. Especially for select groups of consumers such as less tech savvy users.

Everything’s interconnected.
Did it occur to you that people buying iPhones are buying them in spite of them being locked down, not because they’re locked down? Or that perhaps they’re prioritizing other needs and wants over the App Store situation? The claim that people are choosing to buy an iPhone because it’s locked down is unfounded at best and completely false at worst. In reality most people probably don’t care if it’s locked down or not, they just want an iPhone. If Apple did have an official way to support third-party app stores (but that were not pre-installed), would you stop buying iPhones? If not, then you can see why your logic is flawed. Few people are likely buying their phones based on the availability of third-party app stores.

I buy iPhones because they work with my Macs. Having an iPhone and a Mac means it makes the most sense to use Apple Watches and Apple TV’s as well. And because I’m so embedded in the Apple ecosystem it made the most sense to go with HomeKit compatible smart home products. Smartphones and the choice on which one to buy is based on far more than just what app stores are available on them.
 
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If Apple would just allow developers to use their own payment option alongside Apple’s IAP most of this would go away. If users feel a developers payment option is not safe they can still use Apple.
Why though. If they need Apple’s tools and customers on their platform, they deserve to be paid. Otherwise. Make a webapp. Interestingly, this company was first because they beat Apple to it. On if rare times Steve Jobs tipped his hand 6 months early.
 
So you want to install unsigned software that's not even open-source, meaning you're not a developer or anything, you just want something Apple didn't approve. And you want it to be about as easy as installing from the App Store. Sounds fine until every appmaker, realizing most people are capable of installing this way, starts distributing only through those other stores. Then average people have to get everything from there, not the App Store. And all that unapproved software uses whatever tricks they want to.

This doesn't take any imagination; it's already how things work on macOS. Even Chrome isn't on the App Store. But that's on a desktop, so whatever. On a phone, "nobody" needs to mess with this crap, and those who do can use Android.

So instead, Apple tries to lock things down. Yes they're greedy and want the $, but users also like the platform and have the choice in the end, so it's fair. It's an old story. Look at video game consoles for the parallel universe. Nobody forced Nintendo to open the floodgates, and I'm glad for that.
Who said anything about unsigned. Of course it can be signed. Just like non Mac App Store apps can and are signed.
 
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And forcing Apple to change (essentially punishing them because a third party has not developed yet) is a very VERY bad move. Don't like iPhone being locked down? There is a CLEAR alternative, Android. Which allows pretty much the same Apps (nearly all the important ones). So this makes any arguments moot. Cydia can be on Android and make their money there.
I think that is for Cydia to decide and not you.
 
I literally resisted on forums just to respond to this. I am extremely happy with this walled garden. Things just work, and apple is constantly and watching to make sure they do. That is world extra money, and a little less freedom. If I want to customize, I mess with terminal in MacOS, and that works fine for me. I would be very afraid of opening up the iOS, someone somewhere, will figure out how to do very malicious things on it, and it will make using my phone just that much more of a hassle. Then on screen time, there willl be a metric, "dealing with viruses, malware, and illegal listening, 1 hour / day", ugh. no thanks.
 
Actually we need jailbreaking for anti-competitiveness from not only Apple but mobile carriers.

Case in point:
I'm in Japan using a Softbank sim, but the sim is from a third party sim provider and I pay that provider not Softbank. I chose that provider because I like their customer service and you don't need a 2 year contract. Plus I can't stand Japanese carriers.

Because the sim was not purchased directly from Softbank, even though I'm paying the normal price for the Softbank sim monthly, "Personal Hotspot" (tethering) is bricked simply because I don't have a 2 year contract with Softbank. My plan includes data of course.

This is my phone I purchased outright unlocked at the Apple Store. I should be able to tether my Macbook with my phone so I can work and study when I'm outside. Softbank has simply turned off my tethering ability even though I am paying for monthly data.

If I jailbreak and use the tetherMe app, I can tether all I want using the data I'm paying for.

Jailbreaking isn't about pirating. No more than Safari or Chrome is about pirating. Cydia is fully legit just like Safari.

Cydia is good.
 
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Nobody said Apple has a smartphone monopoly. What they are is part of a smartphone OS duopoly with Google and that makes them subject to anti-trust laws, and potentially actions based on those laws. The only people going on about how “Apple isn’t a monopoly so these laws don’t apply to them,” are those who don’t understand that anti-trust laws don’t only apply to true monopolies.


You’ll have trouble finding where the word monopoly is used even once.
And the other part of the duopoly offers a non-walled garden approach meaning consumers have a choice. If you want a smartphone that offers side loading of apps or alternative app stores Androids huge variety of options is right there. Consumers have ample choice. Competition more than exists. It’s not remotely an anti-trust issue that Apple won’t simply give everyone exactly what they want.
 
hmm...that's the whole point; 99% of people don't know what an informed choice is; you presume the whole audience for an iPhone sits on Macrumours all night; they don't.
If people are uninformed about something that’s their own fault. Apple makes it more than clear that the App Store is the only way to get apps on the iPhone.
 
Apple is preventing installing apps from developers other than via the App Store and that is anti-competitive.
No it’s not. You can buy an Android phone instead if you want that capability. You, as the consumer, have that choice. Apple offers their product with a specific set of features. If you don’t like those features, don’t buy an iPhone. Buy one of a HUGE range of Android phones. This is not complicated.
 
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No it’s not. You can buy an Android phone instead if you want that capability. You, as the consumer, have that choice. Apple offers their product with a specific set of features. If you don’t like those features, don’t buy an iPhone. Buy one of a HUGE range of Android phones. This is not complicated.
So, by your reckoning, if a person doesn't like what Apple does, they are not to buy Apple products. That's basiclly what you saying and if so it implies that you do not own your iphone, Apple does because they can dictate how the iphone should be used.

If a person purchases an iphone, that person should be able to do what they want with it because it is their property. If they want to jail break it and put doddy app's on it, possibly malware and viruses, it is their 'CHOICE' to do so, not Apple's. Regardless of the merits of preventing iphone users access to cydia, that is not Apple's decison to make, it is the owner of the iphone's to make and this is the argument cydia are making, Apple is preventing 'choice' and in doing so it is anticompetitive.
 
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All these problems for Apple go away if they have a similar gatekeeper system that macos has. Apple can put a notice up that states that if gatekeeper is turned off, then use at your own risk.
 
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