Very disappointed by lack of numeric keypad.I'm not going to spend another 100 bucks for the alu full size kb (that's the price in here).
This is so bad, the entire new product line.. so sad
they keyboard is free... not sure how you missed that one
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they keyboard is free... not sure how you missed that one
At one point, with Apples beige ADB mouse, Apple mice were considered to be a thing of beauty, which was used in artwork and photographs at the time. Than Apple came out with the worst/ugliest mouse ever seen in the computer market The Puck. The current ones are not considered the worst ones on the market sense The Puck will forever hold that title. Not to mention that to replace an Apple mouse with another one can include an exuberant price tag while a good third party mouse can be a third the price.
Now Apple is in a transition to take a decent keyboard and replace it with the biggest peace of trash they can find. To make tings worse they are removing the numerical keypad. Sadly there currently is no keyboard that is a decent replacement to the current Apple a third the quality at 4 times the price model, without paying over $100. All this while in the PC market you can get a good USB keyboard for $10 (minus the buttons that are needed for a Macintosh). At one point Apple even had a super convenient power button directly on the keyboard, that is no longer present, but the abilities to support it still are.
Now we are being forced to sacrifice Firewire 400 for USB 2.0. I would love to send Apple a bill for the external DVD/RW, and 6 hard drives I have on my Firewire bus (ALL OF THEM ARE BOOTABLE). So I can replace them with the super slow and unreliable USB devices. The 16XDVD/RW I have would be totally obsolete since USB doesnt have the bandwidth to make it worthwhile to have a 16X. Not to mention the replacement (If anything will work at all) of my bootable 8GB Firewire thumb drive I use to repair my computers, since Firewire is bootable, I paid $400 for the thing. This is on top of the PC market just starting to adopt Firewire built on to the motherboards.
Now the rumor mill is a buzz with the new possessors that Intel is coming out with that are going to be used in the High end Macs while I can get a Dell that has 6 cores and 4 chipsets for a total of 24 possessors in a single computer, while the best Apple has only 8 in total.
I am the senior Mac Teck at an ISP and I get bombarded with the What are you using a Mac for, get a real computer crap and in the end they are winning the argument sense all the good points about Apple I could have made are vanishing.
...then buy a macbook pro or the plastic macbook or a mac pro or an imac. my goodness people complain a lot.
You know that FireWire 800 supports FireWire 400 devices, right? Just buy a $9 cable. Or buy a $29 FireWire hub. You know that USB drives are bootable on Intel Macs, right?
You're a "Mac Teck" huh? Ok, maybe you didn't know these things...
What a joke. You can't can't be serious or you are a reflexive Apple apologist for not including Blu-ray when everybody else on the planet has it. Must be embarassing.
We can't keep Blu-ray players stocked in my store. They fly off the shelves. Customers see King Kong or Dark Knight being demoed and their jaws hit the floor. The quality increase is amazing and when it's hooked up to a good surround sound system they can't believe the quality. I've had customers stand in front of the Samsung Touch of Color TVs and watch the whole demo Blu-ray twice. Since we've had Blu-ray I haven't had a single customer, not one, say "ho hum", out of the thousands I've shown it to. It's rediculous.
The Most Important Messge in this Thread (only to me though)
1) I buy Macs for the OS.
2) The iMac is the perfect machine for me and many others, but I absolutely cannot deal with the glare monitor....should be called the iMirror after seeing the engadget picture.
3) I'm still on a 2002 Dual G4 1Ghz machine editing video - so I need a new Mac more than you (yes, I do!). However, being toyed with is insulting. When Apple says "here are these super slick machines that do the job perfect, but if you don't like seeing your balding head while typing nerdy messages on MacRumors, spend an extra $1,000 for a tower an get an anti-glare montior" - I get really aggravated.
4) No problem with the keyboard being a free option, but I have a major problem with it not being an option if buying in the store (because I don't like waiting for shipping-yeah, my personal issue on that one ).
5) IMHO Blue-ray should be included in the towers and an option for the iMacs. It should also come in red, green, and a hunter-green-ray.
1) I buy Macs for the OS.
2) The iMac is the perfect machine for me and many others, but I absolutely cannot deal with the glare monitor....should be called the iMirror after seeing the engadget picture.
3) I'm still on a 2002 Dual G4 1Ghz machine editing video - so I need a new Mac more than you (yes, I do!
). However, being toyed with is insulting. When Apple says "here are these super slick machines that do the job perfect, but if you don't like seeing your balding head while typing nerdy messages on MacRumors, spend an extra $1,000 for a tower an get an anti-glare montior" - I get really aggravated.4) No problem with the keyboard being a free option, but I have a major problem with it not being an option if buying in the store (because I don't like waiting for shipping-yeah, my personal issue on that one
).5) IMHO Blue-ray should be included in the towers and an option for the iMacs. It should also come in red, green, and a hunter-green-ray.
The bottom line is with people that are disappointed with the updates is that people are too use to apple bringing out "WOW" technology in every refresh. And when they dont, they all get up in arms saying: "these updates are ****, what were you thinking apple". But you never hear that kind of reaction with other computer manufacturers. Do you?
Just think: The current state of the economy is not that good looking. This means that you will have to get use to the slowdown for a while. And when things improve, everybody will be happy. Apple cannot afford to take major risks, and so do other companies.
Just think: The current state of the economy is not that good looking. This means that you will have to get use to the slowdown for a while. And when things improve, everybody will be happy. Apple cannot afford to take major risks, and so do other companies.
Why isn't the 3.06 GHz Early 2009 iMac in the benchmarks? Or it will score the same as the old 3.06?
Well, on the Windoze side, people would just go to another hardware manufacturer. We're stuck with one. Years ago, when we had a choice, people didn't complain - they went to Powerbase, Newer, or something.
If the simple concerns were answered - going back to the iGlare, it would surely help calm the waters. I actually expected the bluetooth keyboard to get keypad back! I'm worried my white BT w/keypad will die on me - last one did.
The discussions (including complaints) are good for getting to the bottom of things - but some of the complaints could have waited for the benchmarks to show up.
You got to be kidding me. Seriously.
a) You can "upgrade" to the full keyboard at no additional cost
b) You tell me someone is going to buy Maya but would be alienated by a small keyboard even if the upgrade cost extra?
c) Apple has taken away HW-Features for like 10 years. SCSI, NuBus, ADB, Floppy... all fell by the wayside. It has resulted in a whinefest all the time, but had no negative consequences (even some positives, thinking of floppy disks). I for once believe 90% of all users don't need a keypad (I just ordered a Mini with the tiny keyboard - much better looking and convenient).
d) Firewire has not been removed in the mini and iMac. Fact is, it has been upgraded in the mini. Same goes for the GPU.
USB drives are HORRIFICALLY slow. I just had to move 60+ gigabytes of crap from a PC to a Mac with a USB hard drive and it was a bitch and a half.
Just saw this on geekbrief.tv:
That's the ASUS eeeKeyboard. It's basically a Netbook in a different form factor that hooks up to TVs via HDMI.
I so hope Apple makes something in this direction. Yes, the keys are backlit and that is a touchscreen on the right.
That's the ASUS eeeKeyboard. It's basically a Netbook in a different form factor that hooks up to TVs via HDMI.
I so hope Apple makes something in this direction. Yes, the keys are backlit and that is a touchscreen on the right.
so should we wait?
Hi, I'm completely new on the forum, although I've been around Mac Rumors for some time now waiting for news on these updates because my imac dates back from 2002 (the pretty, halph-sphere one with the screen moving in every direction - sigh).
now I've read every single message on this thread (yes, even the dozen silly ones on the keyboard choice), and I'm puzzled: is the general opinion that I should wait a couple more months for a more substantial update? Or buy a refurbished 2008 imac?
plus, I would really like to have snow leopard on my new mac, anyone knows when it's due?
Hi, I'm completely new on the forum, although I've been around Mac Rumors for some time now waiting for news on these updates because my imac dates back from 2002 (the pretty, halph-sphere one with the screen moving in every direction - sigh).
now I've read every single message on this thread (yes, even the dozen silly ones on the keyboard choice), and I'm puzzled: is the general opinion that I should wait a couple more months for a more substantial update? Or buy a refurbished 2008 imac?
plus, I would really like to have snow leopard on my new mac, anyone knows when it's due?
Just saw this on geekbrief.tv:
That's the ASUS eeeKeyboard. It's basically a Netbook in a different form factor that hooks up to TVs via HDMI.
I so hope Apple makes something in this direction. Yes, the keys are backlit and that is a touchscreen on the right.
Wow whtat great f.cking product, innovation...
Hi, I'm completely new on the forum, although I've been around Mac Rumors for some time now waiting for news on these updates because my imac dates back from 2002 (the pretty, halph-sphere one with the screen moving in every direction - sigh).
now I've read every single message on this thread (yes, even the dozen silly ones on the keyboard choice), and I'm puzzled: is the general opinion that I should wait a couple more months for a more substantial update? Or buy a refurbished 2008 imac?
plus, I would really like to have snow leopard on my new mac, anyone knows when it's due?
yeah that's the general opion, refurb or wait, snow leopard could take some time though, I don't see it before the end of this year...or led screeen for these macs...
Just saw this on geekbrief.tv:
That's the ASUS eeeKeyboard. It's basically a Netbook in a different form factor that hooks up to TVs via HDMI.
I so hope Apple makes something in this direction. Yes, the keys are backlit and that is a touchscreen on the right.
Looks like a Mac notebook keyboard plus backlight.
damn, that's annoying, all this waiting for nothing. I'm even thinking of getting a cheap PC in the meantime, to wait for the end of the year... such a depressing thought
Thanks for the advice though, and to all competent people on the forum - I've learnt a lot about NVIDIA and ATI chips today - kinda makes up for the frustration
Thanks for the advice though, and to all competent people on the forum - I've learnt a lot about NVIDIA and ATI chips today - kinda makes up for the frustration
i could really care less about the smaller keyboard thing. Sure some people have use for the numeric pad like book keepers and whatnot. In all honesty tho i can tell you that no one in my immediate family actually uses the numeric keypad and I can bet for the most part if people do use it a little here and there that they will be able to adjust to the fact that it isn't there.
Last I checked the only company on the Windows side who really went out of their way to have a big event over a product release was Microsoft itself when they officially released the latest version of Windows. HP, Dell, Acer etc just keep on notching up the performance/specs of their products as newer processors arrive or part prices drop and they either cut prices or increase the specs ie larger hard drive/more ram but keep the same price.
Apple has set itself up for these big let downs by having such BIG ANNOUNCEMENTS to launch the NEXT BEST THING, and ultimately it really went south for the iTunes/iPod event last September which might have been the tipping point. It isn't necessarily that the product offerings are bad more they let the hype get so out of control that the expectations are that every update will be super super important when in fact many aren't all that interesting.
CNet Benchmarks
Another benchmark
http://reviews.cnet.com/desktops/apple-imac-24-inch/4505-3118_7-33541091.html?tag=mncol;txt
Another benchmark
http://reviews.cnet.com/desktops/apple-imac-24-inch/4505-3118_7-33541091.html?tag=mncol;txt
Thanks for the correction on the Dell quad, the last time I checked, they didn't. If you look at the details, the quad Dell is using is NOT i7 and uses DDR2 RAM with and 866 MHz RAM bus, which will be slower than the new iMacs, so that doesn't make the case for anything.
I mentioned the lack of an xMac, which I agree they should have (maybe). I don't know that I would call the iMac "crippled", it more than fit's the performance needs of an overwhelming majority of the market which is their main target. The fact is that the new i7 line isn't available in this form factor yet. The fact is we will see it in a matter of months.
While the RAM speed is slower (offering less BW) the overall bus speed (FSB) is higher (1333 vs 1066). So the iMac wouldn't be faster (if the clock rate were equal).