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People use screen protectors?

You bet! Cheapest insurance you can buy. First stop after buying my 5S was the ZAGG kiosk right outside the Apple Store door. I always keep my iPhone in my pocket with my keys, and still don't have a mark on the screen.
 
i really hope they put sapphire on all i6's. get errrr done Apple, i dont want to have to buy the highest end model for sapphire display, i dont think apple would alienate their product like that with such a incredible feature/addition to their highest end model that would be pretty stupid

everyone is gonna want this sapphire display once the news gets out to more the of the public who isnt too tech savvy that sapphire displays are pretty dam dam hard to scratch

what im thinking is that, the phablet iPhone wont launch together with the 4.7 inch iphone model this year so that Apple can put sapphire displays on all their 4.7 models and then they would release the phablet iphone sometime early next year when sapphire production is even more developed for apple and the initial launch window is finally done with
 
I really do wish that all analysts would just go to hell and die. They add nothing. They speculate, and they ruin lives...business lost and jobs lost due to some arsewipe with no goddam experience worth a crap.
 
Laptop displays don;t have nearly the exposure or risk of scratching as phones or watches. You don't put a laptop into a bag with the screen out so it can get scratched by your keys!

Unless Apple plans to drastically change the form factors of their laptops, which isn't an impossibility. I could see Apple coming up with some sort of response to the Microsoft Surface eventually (as in, creating a device with both laptop and tablet qualities)
 
Delay release until there's enough sapphire for all models, then no one can complain about missing out, and I'll have less to pay out on my current contract to get the 6. Or skip sapphire and hold it for the S release, surely there will be plenty by then.
No one will notice what the screen is made of without being told, it won't make the phone perform any better, it will only determine whether certain contact leaves a mark or not. I'll take one with Gorilla glass no problem, not being sapphire won't put me off.
 
Remember please.

It remains to be seen just how great a sapphire screen is anyway.
Sure it may be amazingly scratch resistant, but we may see a ton of photo's of dropped sapphire iPhone's with shattered screens instead.

We have yet to see.

Did you see the leaked video? If that part was in fact a genuine sapphire display, it was incredibly durable.

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I don't think I've ever seen so much agreement on a MacRumors thread!

The laptop suggestion was just laughable for a start.

And this analyst has done the same stupid thing all of them do. They've started with a guess about how much sapphire exists, divided it by the guessed amount per phone, decided it won't stretch and then tried 'what would I do' and came up with the 'model differentiation'.

Apple just doesn't do that. They aren't MS with 18 flavors of Vista all of which have slightly different features. They aren't Samsung with a phone for every color, day of the week and mood. The don't have a ton of models all out for sale at the same time. They're going to release one iPhone with different storage options (limited) and every one of them will have the same basic features, chip, glass, touch id and everything else. If they don't have enough sapphire to make them then they will be scarce until they do, or you won't see it on any phones until 2015.

I don't really see how you can be an 'analyst' on a company without understanding basically how the company does business.
 
dont see it as a selling point. the avg. customer will be like huh and end up slapping a screen protector on it after all.

"i predict no iPhone 6 with 5.5 this fall and also sapphire saved for the 6S while iWatch will be the first and only device to adopt it in the fall"

This is a very good point. So many people could care less (or don't even know) the high quality material the screen is made out of. They just know "it's an expensive phone, therefore i use a screen protector." Then you have the tragedy of beautiful iPhones hidden under bubble-ridden $1 screen protectors.:(
 
An iphone may or may not have a sapphire screen. It may be release this year or not.

There you go, im now an analyst.
 
Analysts' estimates vary widely? 98% of them are wrong? HOW CAN THIS BE? Oh, right, because they're analysts and are worse at predicting the future than the average, uneducated person. Or monkeys throwing darts.

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S stands for speed. Just like "i" stood for "Internet" in the original iMac. I don't know why you, and people like you insist on making the S stand for a bunch of other dumb ****, but it's old, tired, and it isn't clever.

S stands for speed. Period. It's a speed bump with random, insignificant extra features thrown in as Apple sees fit.

where does it say that S only stands for speed ? that's foolish ...
 
Glass... Glass everywhere.

Are we that desperate to have an article about a piece of glass every day? For 99.99% of the users that sapphire glass will make no difference.
 
Apples Sapphire plants are in Arizona and are controlled by Apple employees with joint staffing from GT Advanced... Analysts aren't touring the sapphire facilities and haven't seen Apple produce tons of anything because Apple isn't giving any analysts tours of their facility... If Apple was then there wouldn't be this wide varying range of analyst predictions on what their capacity is. No, they are talking to 'supply chain' folks who give information for money and will keep feeding analysts what they want to hear as long as they are getting paid to do so. If you read closely even in the article associated with this thread the analyst with the highest guess of capacity for producing sapphire got his guess from a lot of 'digging into regulatory and import filings'. He wouldn't have to do that if Apple was freely giving tours out to analysts of their Sapphire plant...

I know they aren't giving out tours. But I'm guessing it is easy enough to tell if the factory is up and running or still being primed and set up just by seeing the number of employees who go in and out of the factory and the raw materials delivered and the trash taken away. If the factory is not operational, that would be big news. And, as it is seems, it is up and running, then the sapphire is going to be used for something.

But if the factory isn't running or if its production levels are failing on a widespread basis so that nothing is getting shipped out of it, then I think we would find out.
 
Well, let's do some back of the napkin calculations, just for grins.

I think the biggest furnace GTAT sells to others makes 165 Kg boules, but Margolis says that Apple's using special ones that are 200 Kg or larger.

It takes about 18 days to grow a 100 Kg boule, so let's make it 36 days for the 200 Kg version.

It takes about 50g of material to make a phone screen, if things go right.

So... hmmm...

200 Kg boule / 50g per screen = 4,000 screens per furnace, times 2500 furnaces = 10 million screens every 36 days.

How many new iPhones are sold in that amount of time each debut? (Bearing in mind that they could stock up screens ahead of time.)
 
Delay release until there's enough sapphire for all models, then no one can complain about missing out, and I'll have less to pay out on my current contract to get the 6. Or skip sapphire and hold it for the S release, surely there will be plenty by then.
No one will notice what the screen is made of without being told, it won't make the phone perform any better, it will only determine whether certain contact leaves a mark or not. I'll take one with Gorilla glass no problem, not being sapphire won't put me off.

Delay release... No one misses out... Pay less...

Business 101: scarcity increases price. Apple are more likely to charge a premium for sapphire and create demand by withholding supply.

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Well, let's do some back of the napkin calculations, just for grins.

I think the biggest furnace GTAT sells to others makes 165 Kg boules, but Margolis says that Apple's using special ones that are 200 Kg or larger.

It takes about 18 days to grow a 100 Kg boule, so let's make it 36 days for the 200 Kg version.

It takes about 50g of material to make a phone screen, if things go right.

So... hmmm...

200 Kg boule / 50g per screen = 4,000 screens per furnace, times 2500 furnaces = 10 million screens every 36 days.

How many new iPhones are sold in that amount of time each debut? (Bearing in mind that they could stock up screens ahead of time.)

Growing a 3d object doesn't scale up linearly so it would be much longer than 36 days.

The yield rate for boules will never be 100% and could be as low as 60%.

The product yield from suitable boules will never be 100%.

In addition, this is for boule growth only, and doesn't consider transport or manufacture processes and bottlenecks.
 

What are they thinking? Either it's scratch proof sapphire or it's not. And since it scratched with sandpaper, while the Touch Id didn't, it seems the screen that was tested, is not sapphire.

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The screen that was tested was probably made of a slightly newer Gorilla Glass.
 
Yes, I do. And a couple weeks ago while running my shoe got stuck on uneven sidewalk. I let my iPhone break the fall for me and the edge of the glass got scraped up along w/ my elbow... except it was actually just the screen protector that took the hit on the phone. The screen turned out to be not so bad off, a couple tiny chips. W/O the screen protector I would have needed a new screen.

So don't be so snotty. Screen protectors are awesome. Then again, you are probably the type that sneers at people cross lacing wingtips.

I'm sorry for the delay, I didn't realize that I was logged out. Actually, I wasn't being snotty. I can always tell when someone has a screen protector on their phone and I don't like the look.

I love wingtips - I have about six or seven pairs. I never thought about them being crossed laced...all of mine are. I'll sneer at myself now. :)
 
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