Actually, if we got rid of people, the bears and wolves would make their way back to Ohio...
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Undead deer gains revenge on hunter
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Actually, if we got rid of people, the bears and wolves would make their way back to Ohio...
Umm, yup! As in not as many rights although rights in the US are deteriorating.
Bear?! I don't think they can catch a deer.
william sire
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So many people on the deers side.
I would have cut off his hind quarters, cooked them in a camp fire and ate them in front of him before I finished him off.
I would have cut off his hind quarters, cooked them in a camp fire and ate them in front of him before I finished him off.
did you not read the word 'SEEM' in that sentence or were you excited to reply you didn't read properly? if you bothered to read my post, i was careful not to stereotype throughout. i didn't lump all vegans together nor would I. that would be hypocritical now wouldn't it?
just for the record, i have friends who are vegans and we get along just nicely
run a search on youtube to find the 'they'. plenty of videos there.
bears are preeeeety fast animals. they can up up to 40mph
while i loooove eating meat, i dont tolerate unnecessary pain for the animal
much to your surprise, they can and do.
youtube videos of bear and moose:
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=bear+moose+calf&search_type=&aq=2&oq="bear+moose
if you search for bear and deer, there is one video of a brown bear attacking a fawn which was having a hard time in the snow, but ignoring that fact, you can see how fast bears run.
trust me...they get their fair share of deer.
The Prefecture is also the head of the local gendarme and my mayor and the majority of his equipe, who I've complained to on a regular basis are some of the very people I actually have a problem with! You have to get it into context ... what I loathe isn't apparently anything to be bothered about. And no ... you're not all bad .. people are far too complex to summarise so quickly. I dare say there are more than two types of people in this world as well!
misguided? no. not at all. you'll notice I haven't once told vegans that they're wrong in what they believe, but here you are suggesting I may have a problem
The word from this vegan hypocrite is, to paraphrase General Sheridan, the only good hunter is a dead hunter.
mon dieu...this doesn't even deserve a response
He's talking about the hunter, not the deer.
Not really the kind of butt I'd like to eat, but to each his own.
Probably best if you don't get your worldview from youtube videos. Especially considering you have a gun.
lol omg. how narrowminded is this comment Andy? honestly?
you're right - every morning, i wake up and surf youtube for 45 minutes while eating venison sausages and eggs, absorbing all the one sided-created-for-video views and then I use those as my bible for life
lol
A few points
1. Two "well placed" shots from a .270 will drop 2 deer in their tracks. Two bad shots would require 2 additional shots. As a hunter, I am disgusted at the lack of marksmanship skills demonstrated by this supposed hunter. Why make the animal suffer? Why spend your time tracking a blood trail? Go to a rifle range, and learn how to shoot - or switch to fishing.
2. In south Texas, 70% of a coyote's diet is deer. Deer have plenty of predators here, including me.
3. I eat everything I kill, except coyotes. Deer, wild boar, rabbits, quail, dove, ducks, turkey - all have been able to find a new home in my freezer.
4. In America, this hunter should be presumed innocent until proven guilty. This looks like a clear case of self-defense.
5. For all you vegans out there: List the top fattest animals on the planet - and they are all herbivores. Cows, whales, hippos, elephants...
1. Two "well placed" shots from a .270 will drop 2 deer in their tracks. Two bad shots would require 2 additional shots. As a hunter, I am disgusted at the lack of marksmanship skills demonstrated by this supposed hunter. Why make the animal suffer? Why spend your time tracking a blood trail? Go to a rifle range, and learn how to shoot - or switch to fishing.
2. In south Texas, 70% of a coyote's diet is deer. Deer have plenty of predators here, including me.
3. I eat everything I kill, except coyotes. Deer, wild boar, rabbits, quail, dove, ducks, turkey - all have been able to find a new home in my freezer.
4. In America, this hunter should be presumed innocent until proven guilty. This looks like a clear case of self-defense.
5. For all you vegans out there: List the top fattest animals on the planet - and they are all herbivores. Cows, whales, hippos, elephants...
I'll be sure to plant the word "seem" in front of a stereotype the next time I make reference to one.
Herbivores are also the biggest and the strongest.
greyking!
welcome, but guy, this hasn't really been a vegan v.s. hunter war type of thread. We've been discussing, albeit a bit heated, but you just fired a salvo.I was trying to keep it somewhat clean, while making some points. hopefully this won't turn into a war b/c that wasn't the intention.
greyking!
I was trying to keep it somewhat clean, while making some points. hopefully this won't turn into a war b/c that wasn't the intention.
You were the first person to mention vegan in this thread. Perhaps if you didn't want a "vegan vs. hunter war" type of thread you shouldn't have dragged vegans into it? If you have a problem with what an individual in this thread has said, address them, instead of making generalizations hidden behind the innocuous guise of opinion. Just as I'm sure you don't appreciate generalizations about "some" hunters, vegans don't appreciate generalization about "some" vegans.
did someone p*ss in your cornflakes this morning or all week?
you need a hug don't you?
i don't understand why you keep coming at me? bingo...you win the prize for I did mention vegans and there's nothing wrong with it b/c i didn't take a shot at vegans in general, but a specific group or cross-section if you will... please don't tell me I need to quote my original post???? I clearly didn't say all vegans. and if a vegan read my post and took offense to it, they know what i'm talking about.
If I would have said, "all vegans are crazy and have no right to do what they do"...then fine, that would be DRAGGING them into it and wanting a 'war' now wouldn't it?
if the folks who 'generalized' about hunters had stated 'some hunters' instead of saying 'hunters', then I wouldn't need to remind them that not all hunters fit into their generalization just as i've been addressed that not all vegans fit into what i said (even though i didn't group them all).
anyhoo, i'm sure you'll agree this thread as been beat to death by now? I feel like i'm made the points I wanted to make and hopefully raised some awareness about hunting for those who may have been reacting with more emotion than facts or an understanding to begin with.
cheers,
keebler
and judging by the number of posts i've made in this thread, i think it's obvious i've addressed everyone i left needed to be?
Anyhoo, this has been all fun and games.
I would be more than happy to quote your original post if I thought it would have any impact, but you're clearly unwilling to recognize the correlation between your 15+ paragraph diatribe of generalizations, anecdotes and misinformation, and making a statement about being "simply uneducated [about hunting]". Your understanding of these "anti-hunters" is as poor as the understanding of these (pretend?) "anti-hunters" is of hunting, and your continued suggestion that I'm angered or emotionally affected by any of this is just as off-base. You might be surprised by the sheer number of vegetarians and vegans who come out on the side of hunters and are more angry at organizations like PETA than any hunter because of the continued co-option of their lifestyle to serve their interests.
Whether you used the word "all" or not, many of your statements contained generalizations and demonstrated a lack of understanding of why animal rights activists believe what they do, and lumping in a dietary choice with a support for animal rights. And you did indeed drag vegans into this conversation, as before you made mention of them there was no talk of vegans or for that matter of calling hunters "terrorists", there were just people taking inappropriate IMO schadenfreude at the misfortune of others. But you elevated it to include another group of people, a group of people who are sick of being involved and invoked in this issue by both sides.
You might have been more successful if you demonstrated even the remotest interest in attempting to accept the kind of understanding you're seeking to promote.
When was the last time you saw a group of protesters outside of a vegan grocery store?
I have never heard of hunters physically harming vegans. I have heard of radical vegans physically harming hunters.
Usually the people I hear "going after" groups like PETA doesn't involve anything other than pointing out the fact that they're idiots, which isn't hard and doesn't require you to be a hunter, just a rational person wise enough to see beyond the hypocritical and offensive trash groups like PETA propogate.
I have no problem with someone being a vegitarian or choosing not to use animal based products, I don't know why any rational person would. I do have a problem with radical "animal rights" groups like PETA and ALF.
For once I agree with you Leekohler. I am a very passionate hunter and me and my father do everything by the law and it is a very bonding experience.
this is like beating a dead horse.
Of course I don't see the correlation b/c it doesn't exist imo. When I said 'simply uneducated', it's exactly that - some folks just don't know anything about hunting. It wasn't a shot...just the truth. You can correlate that to many things ie. you may know how to change a tire, but your neighbour doesn't. You wouldn't believe the crazy questions I've had over the years about the hunting world.
In the end, I disagree with your thoughts on my 'diatribe' as you succinctly put it. Perhaps my 'generalizations' weren't specific enough, but I didn't think I need to detail further. I've already explained I wasn't referring to the entire vegan population, but how can I bring up those vegans who are emotionally-overboard against hunting without mentioning vegans? Whether or not a vegan feels dragged into the conversation is up to how they feel. I'm sure some folks were fine with it.
For the 'pretend'? anti-hunters, search on youtube for hunting videos and check out some of the conversations, as an example. Mind you, it's not the most mind blowing type of conversations. Then there are the anti-hunting videos, one of which I'd like to find again to quote the 'terrorists' of the forest comment. I certainly don't hope you intended that I made 'the terrorist' quote up? That's how i read it. I have no reason to make facts or generalizations up to suit my thoughts. These are experiences myself and other folks have had over the years. I know I don't have time just to make facts up so i can post on a message board.
If you and I were having a live conversation over a drink, you'd see I have more understanding about the vegan lifestyle than I supposedly don't have.
As for not showing an interest, maybe it comes down to perceptions with the written vs verbal word, but if I wasn't interested in understanding, why would I keep coming back to this thread? I honestly don't understand what I could have done differently. You got me there I'll admit (hands up in the air with a shrug). I did say 'to each their own' once or twice, which in my mind, is being open to someone else's beliefs.
Probably best if you don't get your worldview from youtube videos. Especially considering you have a gun.
Rationalise eating meat for us. (difficulty: I like the taste and I can aren't logical arguments).FX120 said:
This thread went from a somewhat amusing news item to a line in the sand... (as happens so often)
Evidently, no one is going to change anyone's point of view - they have explained themselves and convinced themselves of their feelings already.
For my part, I was raised vegetarian (vegan for a little while) and for the past three years have eaten meat. I never felt high-and-mighty because of being so, never looked down on those who aren't - However I knew some from both camps who tended to view it like that. Mostly I can say whether you hunt or not, whether you are a vegetarian or not, whether you eat meat or not - it makes no difference and in my experience people don't really care. I wouldn't like to be judged based on what I choose to eat and don't judge others based on that either. I've never gone hunting, but if you eat what you kill I have no big beef with that since it's none of my business.
Agree to disagree and let it be.
Evidently, no one is going to change anyone's point of view - they have explained themselves and convinced themselves of their feelings already.
For my part, I was raised vegetarian (vegan for a little while) and for the past three years have eaten meat. I never felt high-and-mighty because of being so, never looked down on those who aren't - However I knew some from both camps who tended to view it like that. Mostly I can say whether you hunt or not, whether you are a vegetarian or not, whether you eat meat or not - it makes no difference and in my experience people don't really care. I wouldn't like to be judged based on what I choose to eat and don't judge others based on that either. I've never gone hunting, but if you eat what you kill I have no big beef with that since it's none of my business.
Agree to disagree and let it be.