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..... I have no big beef with that since it's none of my business. Agree to disagree and let it be.

Easy to say but you haven't thought it through. What about if you're living in the "war zone"? What if you want to be able to walk in the woods where you live, see a deer and watch for a moment in wonder but can't because they're rare and getting rarer? And anyway, it's too dangerous as many a day there's the retort of rifle fire in every direction. France has the longest season in Europe and has over 90 permissible species for hunting. The reality is anything goes but ... Anecdotally, we have the highest deaths from both hunters shooting themselves and passers by. I've Googled around but couldn't find numbers on this so if anyone can verify this I'd appreciate it. And if you complain ... there is some possibility of revenge attacks. In December 2007 there were two separate incidents in the local area where 2 horses were shot at point blank range and in both cases the owners had had run ins with trespassing hunters. Both were English families that had complained and so there may be a nationalist element to it too but nevertheless it's f**king vile.

You say it's none of your business but others have made it my business and although I've had to let it be on a daily basis because there is literally nothing I can do .. I'll always speak my mind. At the very least, there needs to be greater restrictions on hunting around populated areas and the season needs to be shortened.
 
Rationalise eating meat for us. (difficulty: I like the taste and I can aren't logical arguments).

well humans are omnivores after all. if humans werent designed to eat meat, we wouldn't be able to

with that said, a diet including meat is much easier to obtain all required proteins/nutrients than one vegan wise. not saying it cant be done but it is more difficult


but on the topic of hunting, i would much rather eat animals i kill than the sick ones raised on slaughter farms. obviously i have no problem with hunting as long as one hunts for food. i do have a problem with those that kill animals and not bring the carcass or just throw it into a bush
 
Easy to say but you haven't thought it through. What about if you're living in the "war zone"? What if you want to be able to walk in the woods where you live, see a deer and watch for a moment in wonder but can't because they're rare and getting rarer? And anyway, it's too dangerous as many a day there's the retort of rifle fire in every direction. France has the longest season in Europe and has over 90 permissible species for hunting. The reality is anything goes but ... Anecdotally, we have the highest deaths from both hunters shooting themselves and passers by. I've Googled around but couldn't find numbers on this so if anyone can verify this I'd appreciate it. And if you complain ... there is some possibility of revenge attacks. In December 2007 there were two separate incidents in the local area where 2 horses were shot at point blank range and in both cases the owners had had run ins with trespassing hunters. Both were English families that had complained and so there may be a nationalist element to it too but nevertheless it's f**king vile.

My point is that whether you hunt or not, it's your choice not mine. Do what you will. I didn't say anything about hunter safety and training in that post, but yes - I agree that some are way too eager to get out there to the point they neglect proper safety. I handle the news reports at a radio station and we get faxes a-plenty about people shooting themselves or shooting others or other people's houses when they're out hunting.
 

Someone has farmed that meat for you - hunters just get their own. And, my meat is better than what you get - it’s free range, not pumped full of chemicals to look red in the stores and not fed & bred to fat. Plus, to boot, because these animals are free range and live in the wild, their meat is very lean to start with b/c they have to burn energy to survive. I’ve been lucky enough that I haven’t had to buy a cent of red meat in 7 years. I’ve had roasts, burger, sausages, steaks and stew right in my freezer. (pat on the back)

Just out of curiosity Keebler, do you no longer eat beef/lamb? Do you eat other meat that is not harvested by you, like chicken or pork? Because a just deer diet seems quite dull, but if you still buy farm meat than you still get all the hormones and chemicals and all that stuff.
Also, do you skin, cut and whatever else is involved your own animals? What do you do with the fur, antlers, feet, tail etc?
 
RationaliseRationalise eating meat for us. (difficulty: I like the taste and I can aren't logical arguments).
Say what? Should I have to rationalize what is all ready the standard and has been throughout all of human history?
 
Rationalise eating meat for us. (difficulty: I like the taste and I can aren't logical arguments).

Any type of meat has all the proteins we needed, while no type of vegetable can provide us with all the proteins that we needed. Without the help of a nutritionist and/or a good knowledge of nutrition, a vegetarian or vegan diet is not healthy at all, and can be potentially dangerous. If you don't actually plan your diet, it's much easier to be missing something that you need on a vegetarian/vegan diet than a meat and vegetable diet. I have a cousin who is almost a vegetarian. He is allergic to all seafood, and he cannot stand any kind of fat for some reason. If he sees even a little bit of fat on meat, he won't eat it. Of course, that means he is limited to extremely small amount of meat. He eats tons of vegetables and fruits, but he is skins and bones. Now he's trying to add protein powder in his diet. Just the fact that he needs supplements indicate that humans are not supposed to be vegetarians, as nature would not have protein powders. In nature, animals do not carefully plan what they eat. Sometimes you can't find certain types of vegetables, sometimes that patch of vegetables died, if a diet requires advise from trained professionals and careful planning, it certainly isn't natural. Humans are naturally omnivores, which means naturally we're meant to eat meat.
And honestly, why can't I like the taste be a reason? Don't we do a lot of things that are harmful, but fits our fancy? Why do we have air conditioning? Unless the heat is high enough to be dangerous, which it isn't in most cases, why can't we just grin and bear it and save the energy? Why do we have cars, especially in big cities? There are plenty of public transit options, along with walking or bicycling. Why do we have more than 2 sets of clothes, or mattresses, or even the latest computers? We're just wasting resources and creating pollution with all the things that we throw out and creating the demand to create more and more and more. Most things that we have we don't technically need to survive, it just makes our lives easier and more comfortable.
 
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