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Under-Display Face ID on iPhone Still at Least Two Years Away, Says Analyst
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Curious if you are very old? My grandparents are in their 80s and have trouble getting Touch ID to consistently work for them on their iPhones and iPads so they just use passcodes. I've even watched them carefully set it up and use it and it does kinda what you describe where it works fine the first day and then the next day or two it just kinda stops and works very inconsistently.
The reason is because everyone is a little bit different. TouchID almost never failed me, but FaceID does far more often. That's why I prefer TouchID. Neither of our cases are wrong and it makes perfect sense that you would prefer FaceID as a result. But not everyone has the same experience. Ideally the phone would contain both FaceID and TouchID and you could use one or both.
Yes instead of the update is five hours away, it's the iPhone features are two years away...
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See I have the opposite experience, face ID fails consistently for me but touch ID has always worked flawlessly. I think some people just have faces that don't work well with face ID b/c no matter how many different phones I've tried or how many times I've tweaked the settings and re-added my face, it's always a crapshoot on whether it'll unlock or ask for my code.
My elderly mother experiences the same issues you do with touch ID though, so I'm probably just going to give her my 14+ soon. She has to enter her code every time she wants to use her phone, meanwhile my fingerprint that I added to her phone for tech support purposes 4 years ago still works every time lol. Just goes to show that one method isn't a one-size-fits-all for everyone, and I hope Apple includes both on future iphones or at least keeps touch ID on the SE so everyone can have a biometric that works well for them. I'm guessing they'll do a better job on under-display touch ID than Samsung did, but even putting it on the power button would be great.
See I have the opposite experience, face ID fails consistently for me but touch ID has always worked flawlessly. I think some people just have faces that don't work well with face ID b/c no matter how many different phones I've tried or how many times I've tweaked the settings and re-added my face, it's always a crapshoot on whether it'll unlock or ask for my code.
My elderly mother experiences the same issues you do with touch ID though, so I'm probably just going to give her my 14+ soon. She has to enter her code every time she wants to use her phone, meanwhile my fingerprint that I added to her phone for tech support purposes 4 years ago still works every time lol. Just goes to show that one method isn't a one-size-fits-all for everyone, and I hope Apple includes both on future iphones or at least keeps touch ID on the SE so everyone can have a biometric that works well for them. I'm guessing they'll do a better job on under-display touch ID than Samsung did, but even putting it on the power button would be great.
… no clue why? Because the exact opposite fails and succeeds for me on a daily basis.
I'm just the opposite. Touch ID has never failed me. Face ID only works half the time.
I don’t think it’s unrealistic.
Firstly apple with every redesign themselves lean very heavily into the screen to body ratio and about how they maximise the screen size. Minimising bezel and other controls on the face of the phone is something Apple has been doing and advertising themselves and it’s clearly a goal of theirs. An exposed camera module is one of the remaining things they can address. This isn’t just a consumer demand, it’s a focus for Apple already.
Secondly under screen cameras already exist. They aren’t the best but it’s 100% a reality already. People will of course want the camera to be good, and I think that’s why no one is fussed Apple wasn’t the first to do it, but if the tech improves there’s no reason to not get there eventually.
Thirdly the articles talking about FaceID too and a lot of components to that are IR blasters etc that may be impacted far differently to having a screen on top of them. If optics are impacted by the display but not the blaster and other bits, apple would have the option potentially of reducing that area all the way down to a pinhole camera with the other FaceID components under the display. That would likely still be a net win.
The notch on new macbooks is what stops me upgrading. i simply hate it.
Apple knows that if they can't hide the camera and sensors flawlessly, Apple fans won't shut up about how they can see a slight glimmer. Probably start a dumb something-gate hashtag. Apple is better off waiting until it can solve these issues.
Hell Apple showed one photo of AirPower and people still wont shut up about it.
Hell Apple showed one photo of AirPower and people still wont shut up about it.
Stop eating Doritos and Fritos while using your phone and it’ll work fine.
No. I'm late 40s. Like I said in another post, I think it has a lot to do with dry skin and living in a harsh winter climate. In the end, I just see no advantage to TouchID. My iPad and MBP both have TouchID and my iPhone has FaceID. I probably use FaceID on my iPhone 10x more per day than TouchID. FaceID never fails me. TouchID fails routinely. I just see no advantage.
It's weird. I mean, obviously there's something about my skin or body chemistry that causes TouchID to fail all the time yet FaceID is 99% reliable for me. It's hard to imagine how someone else could have the opposite experience, just as I imagine it is hard for you to imagine how someone's finger print stops working from one day to the next...when yours never does. I guess we need both on every device after all.
Looks more likely. 2025 iPhones with under screen FaceID and 2 years later for the 20th anniversary of iPhone, an all screen iPhone with under screen FaceID and camera.
I think the DI will stay roughly the same size until they go all screen — and I don’t see that happening until 2027 (only for pro models) — the 20th anniversary of the iPhone. Maybe they reduce the DI a bit in 2025 at the earliest. I just don’t see the reason for a drastic change since the all screen design is the brass ring.
Agree. This is not simple. In the Android world, they are relying on heavy post processing to “de-haze” the image. Not sure if that’s worth it imo.
I’m guessing the sensors would go behind the screen first, leaving just the camera to create a punch hole look.
Sounds like the same article as "Apple working on under the screen touch ID" that has already been posted this week.
I doubt Apple is going to, or be able to right now, put the Face ID sensors under the screen for the same reason that under-screen cameras take worse photos. We will probably go from 2023 to 2026 at some point.
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Touch ID on ipad mini 6 almost never works for me; well maybe for about 5 minutes after I reset it. Same is almost as true for my M1 14” MB Pro, my M1 iMac as well as my M2MBA. Face ID works more predictably IMO (at lease for me).
All you have to do is hit your finger through the display with a hammer...
