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Every DOJ is run by the Presidents appointees. Thats how the govt runs. Why do people point this out? "DOJ ... run by Obamas lawyer... Holder...could be a political move to pressure....." Just save text and say - I don't trust the other team - I trust my team!
Why point this out? Because the majority of folks have no clue regarding our government and how it is run.
 
The Feds are out of money again, back to their filthy work of extorting funds out of profit-seeking businesses.
 
Well, this should be interesting...

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Anytime the government tends to get involved, there's can be some major problems...

For example, this post:

If you think this hasn't happened before you are wrong. Lucent was a spin off of AT&T, the monopoly forced to split up by the US government in 1984. But Lucent could never compete with Alcatel because the French government allowed Alcatel to operate as a monopoly - this enabled Alcatel to overprice within the French market to undercut prices on the international market. This put Lucent at a disadvantage in the international market for their products. In the end, Alcatel bought Lucent. Now the US does not have a 5G equipment manufacturer. The Chinese Communist Party learned from this and now Huawei is the result.

Yay.
 
Well, this should be interesting...

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Anytime the government tends to get involved, there's can be some major problems...

For example, this post:


Yay.

Please see my entire post above.

People are getting tired of bending over for ANY monopoly.

The solution is to sanction other countries that allow unfair international trade practices.

The US government cannot choose which problems to ignore, which usually is decided by political self interest instead of national interests.
 
Call me crazy, but this probably has more to do with conservatives believing that big tech is out to get them, than anything anti-trust related.
Okay, I’ll bite. You’re crazy.

Google is a beast and pretty much dictates online ad activity. From either side of the aisle, this is an issue.
 
Ya, like how conservatives spread that fake news story this week about Fox News not broadcasting the Mueller testimony!

Oh wait...

Of course, fake news are spread by both the left and the right, and I condemn fake news just as much as you do! What I found interesting, however, is the following: there's research online that shows that in the run-up to the 2016 election, the proportion of right-wing Twitter users sharing fake news was significantly higher than that of left-wing spreaders:

Political affinity was also associated with the sharing of content from fake news sources. Among those who shared any political content on Twitter during the election, fewer than 5% of people on the left or in the center ever shared any fake news content, yet 11 and 21% of people on the right and extreme right did, respectively (P < 0.0001)

I wonder whether the same is true for Facebook, but I couldn't find newer data. Anyone any ideas?

Source: https://science.sciencemag.org/content/363/6425/374
 
I would think Facebook and Google are in more trouble here than Apple. YouTube, Search, and Android are three vastly different companies. Facebook is just buying anyone that gets big enough to cause concern - I’m sure google does the same. They are certainly stifling not just other companies, but also censoring free speech. Although that’s a completely different topic...
You had me in the first half, not gonna lie.
 
App store
I look at the App Store like I do Amazon. They just give a platform to sell your product, and they take a cut. It’s not like every app being sold is made by Apple and they keep all the revenues.

Now I guess I can agree if you say that you have to pay Apple $99 to become a register developer, and that’s the only way to build apps on their platform. It should be more open.
 
Please see my entire post above.

People are getting tired of bending over for ANY monopoly.

The solution is to sanction other countries that allow unfair international trade practices.

The US government cannot choose which problems to ignore, which usually is decided by political self interest instead of national interests.

Note: I agree with your sentiments. I did cherry pick from your post, because I found it relevant to the point I was trying to make, as well as something I was unfamiliar with previously.

In laissez-faire capitalism, the Alcatel story wouldn't have been an issue. However, you are right, that breaking up any of these countries could lead to some major issues, ones that haven't been forseen. We live in a globalist economy, despite these being US companies.
 
Which of the above services does Apple dominate?

Hee hee thanks to Tim Apple they're at the bottom of the list on everything now.
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My takeaway was why no Microsoft ?

Microsoft doesn't appear to discriminate. Do a google search and do the same Bing search. Google is obviously leaning. Microsoft doesn't give a ****, they'll give you all sides.
 
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Note: I agree with your sentiments. I did cherry pick from your post, because I found it relevant to the point I was trying to make, as well as something I was unfamiliar with previously.

In laissez-faire capitalism, the Alcatel story wouldn't have been an issue. However, you are right, that breaking up any of these countries could lead to some major issues, ones that haven't been forseen. We live in a globalist economy, despite these being US companies.

Excellent. A globalist economy only works if abuse of power is prevented. Governments need to step up the game to take EFFECTIVE action, not motivated by flavor of the day politics.

As a US national, I'm very glad to see European governments going after US tech oligarchs. I already have felt the damage these oligarchs have perpetrated. The Chinese Communists must also be dealt with harshly. See my posting history for my comments on that topic.
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It's their eco system, so what's the problem?

They don't follow their own rules, and use their position to harm who they choose.
 
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If you're unhappy that Apple's App Store is the only avenue for getting apps onto iOS, that was quite clearly part of the deal before you decided to purchase an iOS device.
It's not necessarily an antitrust issue for users—at least not directly—but from developers' perspectives, it can get a bit tricky.

I've usually disagreed with Spotify's arguments against Apple’s up-to-30% commission on in-app subscriptions; they’ve often been silly or intentionally obtuse. But I actually agree that—at least where Apple is directly competing with an app such as Music vs. Spotify—either the third-party developer should be exempt from the commission, paying only nominal fees such as transaction fees and perhaps a greatly reduced commission, or Apple must give up the commission from its own services that a third-party developer would pay.

Apple Music is $9.99/mo, and Spotify Premium is also $9.99/mo. So, for each new user who subscribes using an IAP, Apple gets $9.99 in revenue for each Apple Music subscriber, since the commission that would be charged by Apple is paid by Apple to Apple. Spotify, on the other hand, must give up $3 to Apple for each new Spotify Premium subscriber. This leaves Spotify, effectively, with these choices:
  1. Swallow Apple’s up-to-30% commission at the same price of $9.99/mo,
  2. Raise their prices to account for Apple’s commission, or
  3. Disallow users to subscribe using in-app purchases.
Each of these has its own very significant drawbacks. For option 1, although many subscription services are in a sense loss-leading offerings—the ones who don’t use the service often pay for those who do—Spotify is forced into accepting greatly reduced revenue per customer and therefore losing money on many more customers than they otherwise would, while Apple gets 100% of the revenue from each IAP for Apple Music. Apple still certainly loses money on some subscribers, but not nearly as many as Spotify. (This corners Spotify into choosing the right balance between losing money altogether and paying out less money to labels/artists, which disincentivizes placing music on Spotify compared to Apple Music.)

For option 2, Spotify Premium would no longer be priced comparably with Apple Music, so people would be pushed toward Apple's offering. And for option 3, this adds signup friction, such that users cannot directly subscribe in the app—they can only sign into their account or sign up for a free account—and Spotify isn't allowed to direct users outside the app to purchase any digital goods or services per Apple’s App Review Guidelines.

Maybe Spotify could just offer its services outside the App Store, right? Wrong! Apple does allow the installation of Progressive Web Apps where you can add a website from Safari to the Home screen, but PWAs on iOS are subject to restrictions that aren’t present on other platforms and are, by all accounts, seemingly arbitrary. And, as we all know, there are no third-party app stores for iOS.

Apple could end this tomorrow if they wanted by merely allowing an app—or even just apps they compete with directly—to direct users outside the app to purchase digital goods and services or even for these apps to use their own payment systems for digital goods and services inside the app. They already allow it for anything but digital goods and services, but they’re going to cynically cling onto this slice of their beloved Services revenue even if it means taking it to the Supreme Court.
 
Of all those companies listed, Apple has the LEAST to worry about. They might get a small fine or have to tweak some of their App Store policies, but nothing compared to what the rest (esp Google and Facebook) will be subject to.
 
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If the DOJ investigates the tech giants like they investigated Donald Trump, they have nothing to worry about.
[doublepost=1563924420][/doublepost]Witch hunt!
 
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Have you watched Fox News lately? They are constantly running stories of how conservatives are getting silenced by big tech.

I don't watch any news. The only time I turn on the news is when some live event is occurring, such as the fire at Notre Dame. So, I sadly don't get to see the "constantly running stories" of anything.

However, conservatives are constantly being silenced or squelched on Twitter. I've experienced it personally and there are countless times it has happened to others. It's wrong if it's @Jack doing it to conservatives, just as it would be wrong if @RealDonaldTrump was chief of Twitter and stifled the speech of the left.

Threats and conspiracy to commit illegal activity are what should be stopped. Anything else being filtered is placing too much power in the hands of potentially prejudiced people.

It's become a crisis in the minds of some that people think differently than they do. The actual crisis is that some people won't accept the right of others to have a differing opinion. Some even encourage and approve social media companies halting the spread of ideas they disagree with. It's a travesty.
 
How about investigating ‘big oil’?
[doublepost=1563925004][/doublepost]Or how about ‘big media companies’ that own a majority of local broadcasting...?
 
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