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Of course, fake news are spread by both the left and the right, and I condemn fake news just as much as you do! What I found interesting, however, is the following: there's research online that shows that in the run-up to the 2016 election, the proportion of right-wing Twitter users sharing fake news was significantly higher than that of left-wing spreaders:



I wonder whether the same is true for Facebook, but I couldn't find newer data. Anyone any ideas?

Source: https://science.sciencemag.org/content/363/6425/374

Who's generating the definitions of "fake news"?

It's a mostly subjective term. Fake news is classified differently between people and parties, therefore it's an inherently flawed system and will carry additional unforeseen consequences.

Predetermined filters don't work, individual discretion does. Unfortunately, the general modern public seems to lack this quality at large, which is ultimately to blame for Facebook still existing, and Google still possessing a majority market share.

It's a tragedy.
 
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For those who say that Google and Facebook can do whatever they want, unfortunately you are quite wrong. You could also say that Cable News shows can say what they want and you would also be wrong. News companies are highly regulated. Facebook is not, because they claimed that they don't make the content.

Facebook claimed that they were simply a platform and that they had no responsibility for what was put on their platform. Just like you couldn't sue AT&T because someone planned a crime on the phone, because AT&T wasn't responsible for the content of the call. So, the government classified these companies as essentially utilities.

But due to pressure, Facebook for example, started taking down posts, banning individuals, etc. Now, some of those really deserved to be taken down, but there are others where people claim that they simply expressed opinions that were not popular with Facebook's culture, which is admittedly quite liberal. Facebook claims that it is mysterious "algorithms" that do it.

Facebook has become in effect a news provider because they are making editorial decisions which shape the material that is available to people. The anti-trust comes into play because Facebook is so big that there are not competitive alternatives that people who get banned can go to. And when all the similar outlets are controlled by a few people (youtube, twitter, instagram) eventually the government is going to get involved because so few people get news from papers or even on TV compared to those who get it through social media.
 
And when all the similar outlets are controlled by a few people (youtube, twitter, instagram) eventually the government is going to get involved because so few people get news from papers or even on TV compared to those who get it through social media.

Most Americans still get their news through the television according to Pew Research

https://deadline.com/2018/12/how-am...udy-tv-online-pew-research-center-1202512745/


And right-leaning Sinclair Broadcast Group owns the most local news television stations

https://www.salon.com/2018/04/14/ho...al-news-and-pushing-the-country-to-the-right/


But no DoJ investigation there.
 
Apple dominates its own App Store for idevices. Similarly, you dominate the place you live in and by this anti-competition logic you should remove all your doors and let everybody come in and out as they please.

But apple doesn't make all the apps in the iOS app store. Why does apple get so much control over other people's work.
 
Spreading fake news is just spreading news. You cannot ban news just because you don’t like the message.

Creating and hosting fake news can be a crime and enforceable but would also cripple Facebook and the entire Internet temporarily. No clear winners there.

you’re missing the point. Fake news is not news. It’s fake.
 
So is this the same DOJ that "examined" the practices of the big oil companies and found nothing wrong with their practices?

Meaning, that when 1 oil refinery goes down (belonging to one of the companies), the gas prices for ALL gas stations (for all the other big oil companies) go up as well as the company that owns that oil refinery - that's not evidence of monopolistic practices or collusion between the big oil companies to "fix" gas prices for the overall consumer market?

If this is the same DOJ then the result of this investigation should be "all is well" in the tech industry.
 
I think you're lost. As a conservative we love big tech.. big companies.. power in the hands of people and companies rather than government.

I think you're confusing us with the other guys.
Pretty sure you have this reversed. Big tech is liberal. Conservatives love big companies because they’re being brainwashed by the 1% so they can remain the 1%. They convince lower IQ individuals that they’re on their side and take advantage of them.

Cook = Liberal
Zuckerberg = Liberal
Pichai = Liberal

Trump has his panties in a bunch because he doesn’t like the fact that the biggest tech companies in our country oppose his racism and dictator styled leadership. This is his way at getting back at them.
 
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For those who say that Google and Facebook can do whatever they want, unfortunately you are quite wrong. You could also say that Cable News shows can say what they want and you would also be wrong. News companies are highly regulated. Facebook is not, because they claimed that they don't make the content.

Facebook claimed that they were simply a platform and that they had no responsibility for what was put on their platform. Just like you couldn't sue AT&T because someone planned a crime on the phone, because AT&T wasn't responsible for the content of the call. So, the government classified these companies as essentially utilities.

But due to pressure, Facebook for example, started taking down posts, banning individuals, etc. Now, some of those really deserved to be taken down, but there are others where people claim that they simply expressed opinions that were not popular with Facebook's culture, which is admittedly quite liberal. Facebook claims that it is mysterious "algorithms" that do it.

Facebook has become in effect a news provider because they are making editorial decisions which shape the material that is available to people. The anti-trust comes into play because Facebook is so big that there are not competitive alternatives that people who get banned can go to. And when all the similar outlets are controlled by a few people (youtube, twitter, instagram) eventually the government is going to get involved because so few people get news from papers or even on TV compared to those who get it through social media.

Well put.
 
Call me crazy, but this probably has more to do with conservatives believing that big tech is out to get them, than anything anti-trust related.
Is Elizabeth Warren, who keeps calling for breakup of tech companies, conservative in your book?
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For those who say that Google and Facebook can do whatever they want, unfortunately you are quite wrong. You could also say that Cable News shows can say what they want and you would also be wrong. News companies are highly regulated. Facebook is not, because they claimed that they don't make the content.

Facebook claimed that they were simply a platform and that they had no responsibility for what was put on their platform. Just like you couldn't sue AT&T because someone planned a crime on the phone, because AT&T wasn't responsible for the content of the call. So, the government classified these companies as essentially utilities.

But due to pressure, Facebook for example, started taking down posts, banning individuals, etc. Now, some of those really deserved to be taken down, but there are others where people claim that they simply expressed opinions that were not popular with Facebook's culture, which is admittedly quite liberal. Facebook claims that it is mysterious "algorithms" that do it.

Facebook has become in effect a news provider because they are making editorial decisions which shape the material that is available to people. The anti-trust comes into play because Facebook is so big that there are not competitive alternatives that people who get banned can go to. And when all the similar outlets are controlled by a few people (youtube, twitter, instagram) eventually the government is going to get involved because so few people get news from papers or even on TV compared to those who get it through social media.
This is the only non-kneejerk comment here, including my own.
 
No, the whole thing is about how the Justice Department is going to force the tech companies to hire more fascists, and let the alt-right go wild.
 
Now headless actionism/Zeitgeist spreads to American institutions. Poor, "proud" America!
 
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Is Elizabeth Warren, who keeps calling for breakup of tech companies, conservative in your book?

Each person/party is doing it for different reasons, IMO.

Elizabeth Warren and other Democrats calling for breakup of Amazon, Facebook, etc. are doing so because they think these tech companies have become too big and powerful.

Trump is having the DoJ investigate Facebook, Google, Amazon, and Apple because they believe these tech companies are biased against conservatives and their view points. For them, it's about free speech. The irony here is that the party that's generally against regulation wants to regulate what these companies do.
 
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Pretty sure you have this reversed. Big tech is liberal. Conservatives love big companies because they’re being brainwashed by the 1% so they can remain the 1%. They convince lower IQ individuals that they’re on their side and take advantage of them.

Cook = Liberal
Zuckerberg = Liberal
Pichai = Liberal

Trump has his panties in a bunch because he doesn’t like the fact that the biggest tech companies in our country oppose his racism and dictator styled leadership. This is his way at getting back at them.

Zuckerberg isn't a liberal. He's an opportunistic capitalist. He equally lobbies all sides for financial gain.
 
Apple dominates its own App Store for idevices. Similarly, you dominate the place you live in and by this anti-competition logic you should remove all your doors and let everybody come in and out as they please.

Yeah, I think the App Store is weird. Will they have to sell android apps, and make iOS compatible? Allow people to jailbreak? I like it when they remove Zoom's terrible idea of leaving a server on your computer even after you delete the program. I like the level of security they bring.
 
Zuckerberg isn't a liberal. He's an opportunistic capitalist. He equally lobbies all sides for financial gain.

Well, I think the behemoths love to say they're liberal, but they love money most of all. A "liberal" wouldn't profit from selling off your data to anybody who has a buck. Or lots of bucks especially. They can all be forced to be at least as serious about privacy as Apple is.

But what all the social platforms do is provide advertisers with a social graph that is as good as any intelligence agency could compile about you if they suspected you were worth finding out about. And they don't only sell you to advertisers, they sell you to anybody with some money.

I think the tragic flaw is that they're doing it with algorithms.
 
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They should just ban Facebook so that conservatives can't spread anymore fake news!
Both liberals and conservatives are equally susceptible to fake news. If you’re far left or far right your views on reality are distorted.

Conservatives are more susceptible to believe fake news that corresponds to their gut feeling. While Liberals believe something if it aligns with the righteousness of their political viewpoints.

That being said, Russia’s propaganda machine helped Trump, conservatives tend to deny scientific facts like climate change, the theory of evolution, ... so I can imagine it often seems like conservatives have a bigger hand in fake news.

But I guess if your viewpoints are twisted and you don’t know what’s real anymore, it doesn’t matter if you’re left or right. And liberal companies like Facebook and Google only look at where the money comes from.
 
As private companies they have the right to decide who gets to speak and what is said. Simply because they are big does not mean they lose their right to control their platform.
"Rights" are ephemeral things that only exist because people agree they do. The extent to which pieces of paper (such as companies) can have rights that outweigh people's rights is purely determined by people, often through mechanisms such as courts. From this, it is perfectly reasonable to conclude that a company can be free to control the platform (from a technical/engineering point of view) but not have the right to interfere with what people say and who can say it on that platform.
 
Will the Justice Department investigation be as tough as the ones by the EU?
Probably not,you need a person like Margrethe Vestager for that to happen.
Ms Vestager has served as education, interior and economy minister of Denmark, despite belonging to a small social liberal party. As a commissioner since 2014 she has applied both a liberal sense of consumer rights and an interventionist commitment to defending the little guy to the task of regulating technology giants. She has taken on tax dodgers, infringers of personal privacy and market distorters. Thrusting machos from Silicon Valley have turned up in her office berating her and come off the worse.”
https://www.economist.com/charlemag...28/why-margrethe-vestager-ticks-all-the-boxes
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