If you use more than 22GB of data in a month you need to throw the phone out? What kind of nonsense logic is that?
That's way too much since when?
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If you use more than 22GB of data in a month you need to throw the phone out? What kind of nonsense logic is that?
That's way too much since when?
The thing is that while there are some similarities, deprioritization is different from throttling, it's not just another way to refer to throttling.
Verizon, IIRC, was the first major carrier to use prioritization vs. throttling to manage times of congestion.
Here's an article from back in 2014 when they started doing it on the unlimited plans.
https://gigaom.com/2014/07/25/veriz...ds-for-its-heaviest-unlimited-plan-customers/
What's interesting to me is the LACK of people on MacRumors over the last three years bitching about the effect of Verizon's depriorization practice. Lots of threads from people complaining about how unusable their throttled connections have been, though... Once you're throttled, you're stuck at that speed 24/7 until your next billing cycle begins. With network prioritization, you're only affected during the times a tower is congested, if ever. Be interesting to see how congestion plays out, now that so many more people will have unlimited.
I just looked on their website. I didn't realize that they had done away with 12GB+ plans. I was paying $100 (including line access fee for the 12GB plan +2GB for life, before I switched to the Unlimited plan. ) I guess that that is their way off steering people to the unlimited plan. I would hate to have to go back to 8GB plan down the road.
I can understand your frustration.
22GB in 30 days is not really that much. That's only 750MB per day, or the equivalent of 30-60 minutes of an HD Netflix video per day, depending on your quality settings.
Why do you need to throw your phone out? You can use well over 22GB in most cases, unless you're on a congest cell site. As I said above, it's easy to burn through 22GB in a month watching 30-60 minutes of Netflix a day.
How many people would even have experienced DP/throttling? GUDP accounts are in the extreme minority. And for those, the DP/Throttling threshold was much higher. 100GB IIRC from some accounts on this forum. We are talking about a minority of a minority of people.
The "lack of bitching" on this forum, which is another minority of people relative to the total number of Verizon customers, really means nothing.
I am not saying throttling/DP is good/bad either way. I am just saying that there are limitations in place, whether you want to call it throttling, or something else like deprioritization. I have seen nothing solid from anyone here (or from Verizon reps) about what use is like AFTER "deprioritization". I think that remains to be seen, especially with the influx of users onto unlimited. Nor have I seen any specific regarding the algorithm that handles deprioritization/throttling. Think about it: if it worked TRULY the way Verizon describes, not only would you have to calculate network congestion for that tower, but you would have to rank each individual user, then go back and compare each user to all the other users trying to access the tower at that time. Then you would have to determine who ranks where, and then adjust the connection/speed to each individual user accordingly. All in the matter of seconds.
Again, I am not saying anything concrete, except that the only people we should be listening to regarding DP/throttling on Verizon are those that have experienced it before. With some concrete examples. The ATT user is the only guy that came close, but that was ATT. And even with Verizon users on GUDP, this new plan is different given GUDPs were not supposed to be throttled at all. This new plan has an explicit 22GB cap.
Verizon is a company that tried to convince everyone to give up their UDP. Literally, sales agents had a pitch every time you called in. If you had GUDP, they were trained to pitch why you should switch to a 4/6/10GB plan or whatever to "save money". Then they raised the prices for the remaining few who survived, trying to kick them off. Every assumption should be made AGAINST them when there is uncertainty regarding their plans. This latest act was only in response to T-mobile's competition, and losing customers to them.
I get your overall point, but following your logic above, then there should have never been any "bitching" on here from throttled AT&T customers either, and that surely hasn't been the case.
As for deprioritizing data, I'd imagine that once you hit that point, your account is simply flagged for the remainder of the billing cycle, and they use QoS to slow everyone in that group down when needed. I personally doubt that deprioritized customers get ranked so that the one with the most usage at any given second gets the absolute slowest speeds.
I believe it's more along the lines of once you hit 22GB, that line is given a lower priority over those who haven't hit 22GB. So if you're in a congested area you will experience slower speeds, but when in a non-congested area it will perform as normal.
I called and the rep said the XL plan still exists fwiw. Just not displayed on website.
And that prioritization is calculated in real time. So if 5 seconds from now the congestion clears up, your speeds should be back to normal.
It's not like AT&T's throttling from back in the day where your speeds would slow to a crawl after 5GBs regardless of congestion
That being the 12 GB plan or the 16 GB plan? (Would be nice if they still offered that 2 GB/line lifetime bonus too with those.)
