No one asked you to accept my opinion. You’re the narrow minded one; 99% of the people I know probably won’t have this specific lock. Why are you even trying to prove that since you have 3, everyone must have 3?
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Unlock Your Door by Tapping Your iPhone With Schlage's New Smart Lock
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Amazing how many think this door absolutely requires a network connection.
To me, locks are a deterrent. If someone wants to get in, they’ll get in. Need a second level (security system).
Also keep in mind that these are ANSI grade 1 locks, while the Yale and some others are grade 2. May not matter a whole lot in reality but Schlage does make some solid locks.
You can technically still do that here. Schlage has had the regular encode out for a couple years (same lock minus HomeKit). I have both their manual turn keypad deadbolt and their z-wave model for several years now.
To me, locks are a deterrent. If someone wants to get in, they’ll get in. Need a second level (security system).
Also keep in mind that these are ANSI grade 1 locks, while the Yale and some others are grade 2. May not matter a whole lot in reality but Schlage does make some solid locks.
u forget that also condos exists in the world, apart from houses. Anyway, if you arent afraid of anything, then u can have an even smarter lock for your house. Simply keep it open whole time (again, like in american movies
). Then you will not even need phone ofr open itDon't forget these locks are thread enabled so if you have an Apple TV 4K (2nd gen) or HomePod Mini, they will be not reside on your wifi network and will instead use the Thread network which will reduce wifi congestion and improve battery life. ~3-4 month battery life on WiFi and 1 year on Thread
See here: https://www.homekitauthority.com/schlage-encode-plus-with-home-key-support-now-available/
See here: https://www.homekitauthority.com/schlage-encode-plus-with-home-key-support-now-available/
Good product. More lock manufacturers should roll out similar products.
Simple enough to put a key in your wallet in case of emergencies. To me, the idea here is not to replace carrying your house key but rather to replace having to use your house key.
u forget that also condos exists in the world, apart from houses. Anyway, if you arent afraid of anything, then u can have an even smarter lock for your house. Simply keep it open whole time (again, like in american movies
I was speaking to my situation. Thus my use of the words "I'm" and "I".
You do whatever is appropriate for your individual situation, but don't assume others situations are the same as yours.
i assume the situation of EVERYONE as everyone have a lock to enter their home. And statement is simple: with these smart locks both hackers and burglars can enter your home, instead of just burglars. There's another thing: a hacker can hack the lock silently while a burglar makes some noise. In fact the safety class of an armored door (with an appropriate lock installed) is defined by dB (yes, decibels), or rather the noise needed to break in that door. So, based on where you live, u choose the appropriate safety level door. This safety it's voided by a system that let u break in by simply opening the lock remotely and SILENTLY. This, finally, means that previously safe areas may no longer be so, with this new system.
I've read some time ago, that car thieves that steals cars remotely by hacking, are actually hackers, while old-school thieves still uses old methods...
If I buy this, does it come with a code where I can give it to a retailer and they can purchase/make other Schlage deadbolts (not smart ones but just regular ol' locks) keyed the same way? I will eventually replace my other doors' deadbolts too and want everything keyed the same way but would prefer to order it already set up instead of buying it and then taking it to a locksmith or hardware store for an additional fee.
Dunno about a code but just take the key and your other deadbolts to a locksmith or Homedepot or Lowes and they can rekey them for you.
I wouldn't say your opinion is unpopular...I'm sure a large percentage of the general public feels the same way (Vs on a tech based forum, lol)
Many times there's the perception that a smart lock is unsafe / unreliable or that as you mentioned, if someone gets your phone they can open your house easily (But technically, if someone's physical keys were stolen, they can open the house just as easily). Plus the person who stole your phone would have to know you have a smart lock....and unlock you phone, and try to get in before you disable it, etc. Or assume you don't have security cameras at home....
Those are a lot of "What If's"...and we usually just go to the worse case scenario...someone hacks the lock, or steals my phone and runs straight to my house. It's like range anxiety with electric cars (What if I'm driving & the battery dies, and I'm stranded on the side of a desert road & it starts raining, and then nightfall approaches...nope never getting an EV).
I have a smart lock & I think it's great! (So much easier to manage entry for guest & check the status from anywhere)
With technology, I think there's always those fears in the back of people's minds. It's the nature of changing tech, gotta go with what you feel is comfortable for you!
Well, by definition anyone burgling your home is a burglar, regardless of the means of entry...
... but aside from that...
What exactly do you think some hacker - who finds an exploit nobody's yet shown to exist - is aiming to accomplish by electronically unlocking your door? Walk in and steal your TV? Your computer? What is that hacker then going to do with the stolen goods? Pawn shop? Sell them on ebay?
IMHO it is rather far fetched that such a skilled hacker wouldn't just do the usual hacker stuff of breaking into bank accounts or credit card numbers from the comfort of their own home.
Lock-picking is silent, and a lot easier to accomplish than some theoretical hack that has yet to actually occur.
Yet you'll also notice that burglars very rarely pick locks - both because it takes determination to learn the skill and because it takes time on-site that they don't want to spend when it's easier to bash their way in.
... and if the hacker is opening the lock remotely, how are they gonna steal your stuff?
You didn't comprehend what actually occurs. No hacking necessary. Just buy a relay device and use it.
Keyless car theft: What is a relay attack, how can you prevent it, and will your car insurance cover it?
What is relay car theft? How can you prevent it? Will your insurance cover it? Here are all the answers.
Anyway, if you wish to avoid new technology for fear of imagined hacker bogeymen that's certainly your choice.
Not to mention they'd also have to know where you lived and that nobody was home, whether you had an alarm or dogs or cameras (as you mention).
That means a very specifically targeted attack. Which is going to be rather rare.
I think the various movies & tv shows give folks get a skewed idea of exactly what hackers can accomplish or would even bother with trying. The typical burglar is doing a smash-and-grab going for cash and jewelry, perhaps also electronics. They're also typically in and out in short order. IMHO the risk of a hacker attack to defeat the deadbolt is vanishingly small for any normal person.
Well, its common nowaday hearing of hacked databases. Imagine one of these smart locks companies being hacked, and all info needed for enter those homes are released on deepnet... And everybody can install that "keys" its own phone to enter those homes (adresses included in the leak). Stealing just computer or tv? it depends. A heavily fortified house will be "attacked" only if the thieves knows there's a big loot there. Nobody will bother for unknown houses if the loot its unknown. But if someone has an easy access to an undefinied number of houses then it can make a visit without any reason, maybe even for drink a beer, steal a cheap tv, and piss on the carpet...Well, by definition anyone burgling your home is a burglar, regardless of the means of entry...
... but aside from that...
What exactly do you think some hacker - who finds an exploit nobody's yet shown to exist - is aiming to accomplish by electronically unlocking your door? Walk in and steal your TV? Your computer? What is that hacker then going to do with the stolen goods? Pawn shop? Sell them on ebay?
IMHO it is rather far fetched that such a skilled hacker wouldn't just do the usual hacker stuff of breaking into bank accounts or credit card numbers from the comfort of their own home.
Lock-picking is silent, and a lot easier to accomplish than some theoretical hack that has yet to actually occur.
Yet you'll also notice that burglars very rarely pick locks - both because it takes determination to learn the skill and because it takes time on-site that they don't want to spend when it's easier to bash their way in.
... and if the hacker is opening the lock remotely, how are they gonna steal your stuff?
You didn't comprehend what actually occurs. No hacking necessary. Just buy a relay device and use it.
Keyless car theft: What is a relay attack, how can you prevent it, and will your car insurance cover it?
What is relay car theft? How can you prevent it? Will your insurance cover it? Here are all the answers.leasing.com
Anyway, if you wish to avoid new technology for fear of imagined hacker bogeymen that's certainly your choice.
Lock-picking its out of equation unless you really have one of those cheap locks ive posted above. So, yes, bashing its the preferred solution, and u confirm what i just said. Brute force = noise. Hacking = no noise. For "remotely" i intend far enough for being undected in case of unsuccesful hack, and near enough to enter house if hack is successful.
So do u consider that relay car theft is something everyone is capable to do? do u think its enough to buy a device on ebay, and install a ready app from app store? There are different "levels" of hackers and not necessarily someone that use terminal commands on linux. Now if u intend for "hacker" someone wearing a "v for vendetta" mask and hacks just big corporations, well, that's another story...
Definitely a good option for updating existing keyways but in this case I would be buying everything new and would love to save the time and money of having everything arrive keyed the same, I just don't know how to order it this way if I don't have an existing Schlage code.
No thread support? What an oversight!!! Wifi locks LOVE batteries ?
Edit: Looks like they have thread.
Edit: Looks like they have thread.
And the best part is the longer battery life Thread devices have as another person mentioned upstream.
Not that I am bitter over changing my 4 schlage locks too frequently. LOL!
Do post up the links when you find out this far-fetched scenario actually occurs.
Kind sounds like you're not particularly familiar with what hackers do and how these locks work, but hey you do you.
LOL. Sorry to disabuse of that notion, but check out Lockpicking Lawyer on Youtube.
Yes. That's exactly how it works. No app needed. Buy the box use the buttons. https://agentgrabber.com/en/product/keyless-go-repeater/
Most you need is an accomplice if the fob is far enuf away that you need a spread approach as described in the article.
I don’t believe you can buy the Schlage locks keyed to a specific key (or code if you know the 5-digit cylinder pins).
I agree that I don’t think you can order them that way, but years ago you could do so in-store at Home Depot or Lowes. If buying three deadbolts you’d look for boxes showing the same code # and they’d be keyed alike.
Kinda weird knowing others in your community using the same code # had the same keys as your house, but I guess the chances of the, trying their key in your lock were so low as to not matter.
Thanks for calling this out. Thread support for this lock is a big deal. The first thing I’m going to test when I get my lock is whether it works with HomeKit via the Eero Thread border router. My 4th gen Apple TV looks like it won’t be a Thread border router.
I tell you an even worse scenario: immigrants that occupies empty apartments (for sale or used only as secondary home for holiday). In Italy it happens often. And if one of these immigrants is a pregnant womam, or even worse, with a newborn, then it's a pain in the a.s, for the home owner to get her sent away. Now, imagine those criminal groups that transports immigrants, selling also apartments accesses for them. Transport + apartment: full vip service
Maybe impossible scenarios today, but who know in 10 years? 50 years ago bank robbers maybe argued in the same way as we are doing now about robbing banks with just a pc
Don't know what's the point of that video. It's still a cheap lock. For "cheap" i mean locks that uses that obsolete "zig-zag" keys, that of course are easy to lock-pick. Every lock that uses better-than-zig-zag key usually needs to be drilled/destroyed. PS: 35$ as best lock ahahahhaha. Mine costs 100 and its mid-range. Wanted to buy the high-end for 300, but realized i no longer live in italy
. In my condo i'm the only with this kind of lock. All others still have the zig-zag typeOk maybe you're right about how this car stealing works, however 7500 bucks isnt cheap, and those cheaper relays still needs a pc (and an app) to use. BTW for hacker i dont intend someone that necessarily have high programming skills. Social engineering it's a perfect example.
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I will be testing it out as well. Someone posted on Reddit that if you set up via Homekit it'll use Thread but if you use the Schlage app it'll use wifi. The Apple TV 4K (2nd gen with silver remote) does work as a border router when the first gen doesn't.