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The right way of doing this is unlocking the door when phone is detected in the pocket, using bluetooth. I know the Yale Linus home does this
 
That's cool, but I never understood these. Won't you still need a key to unlock the door knob? All my exterior doors have a lock on the door knob and a dead bolt. This seems to just replace the deadbolt and unlock that. You still have to take out a physical key to unlock the door knob.
I replaced our deadbolt with a smart lock and then replaced the other locking doorhandle with one that does not lock. Its not like the doorhandle lock is very strong anyways. We then reinforced the deadbolt jams with longer screws and a steel plate to help with kick-ins.
 
Those thinking this is LESS secure than using keys, tell me… when you loan someone a physical key, do you know how many copies of it were made? Are you aware of the expense and cost of changing the lock? Do you really think you’re safe after firing a housekeeper for theft and asking for her key back instead of just revoking her access in an app?

Is it really common practice to share keys? I don’t think most people have a housekeeper, but I also don’t think those housekeepers have iPhones, or the ones which clean my house.
 
That's cool, but I never understood these. Won't you still need a key to unlock the door knob? All my exterior doors have a lock on the door knob and a dead bolt. This seems to just replace the deadbolt and unlock that. You still have to take out a physical key to unlock the door knob.

why would you. the doorknob doesnt have the level of security a deadbolt has, its addition is not increased security, as if the person has the determination to bypass or destroy the deadbolt, the knob is most assuredly not contributing.

no one "has to unlock the door knob" if they're simply not using that as a pointless point of security.
 
Exciting, I’d rather not make my phone my wallet though
It’s a lot safer than an actual key. You lose a key, you have to change hardware. You lose your phone, you can cut it off from it being used to unlock your door in seconds.
 
It’s a lot safer than an actual key. You lose a key, you have to change hardware. You lose your phone, you can cut it off from it being used to unlock your door in seconds.
You don’t have spares inside the house? I get how using a phone might be more convenient for some people, but smart locks feel like a solution seeking a problem
 
You don’t have spares inside the house? I get how using a phone might be more convenient for some people, but smart locks feel like a solution seeking a problem
You lost a key is an issue, because someone else might find it. If that key is with something that identifies you and your house, you have to change the hardware. That’s my point.

Also, what’s the problem that smart locks are causing?
 
You don’t have spares inside the house? I get how using a phone might be more convenient for some people, but smart locks feel like a solution seeking a problem

Not in a house with kids (or spouse) that routinely forget to lock the door or can never find keys.
 
Am I the only person whose front door requires a little, how do you say... motivation... to lock?

These work great if your door is perfectly aligned...

Also, I am surprised we haven't seen locks that allow for the door to be unlocked when your apple watch is within a foot of the handle. The tap feature is nice for visitors, but a smart lock would simply unlock for people who have permission to enter.
You have to adjust the strike plate. Once it is adjusted then you just pull the door closed and it will lock like butter.
 
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As a home security newbie, I want to get this for my front door but I'm wondering how I can get a few "dumb" deadbolts keyed the same for the other doors in the home. Does anyone know?
I looked on the website and found this in the specification:

Keying: 5-pin tumbler, C Keyway, 1 key included

As mentioned earlier, a locksmith should have no problem with this. I actually rekey my own, but that’s not for everybody. One of my attempts at this failed kind of spectacularly. I put a wrong spacer in and the key didn’t work. I wound up throwing the lock away as I couldn’t get it apart again.
 
Pointless.

My keys and my keychain are also my self defense weapons if someone tries to jack my phone.

If they try to jack my phone my house key going in their face.

You can’t defend yourself with your phone.

You can defend yourself with your key.

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Pretty decent, but you have to change all the hardware on your door to use this setup. I purchased this Level product about 2 years ago and love it. You don't have to change any hardware other than what you don't see.
 
You lost a key is an issue, because someone else might find it. If that key is with something that identifies you and your house, you have to change the hardware. That’s my point.

Also, what’s the problem that smart locks are causing?

Not in a house with kids (or spouse) that routinely forget to lock the door or can never find keys.

Thanks for taking the time to reply.

I tend to keep my wallet separate from my keys, so I haven’t yet experienced converged losses. To me, that mitigates or reduces the chance that someone can use a key for my house. Granted, a smart key of any form may resolve this doubt.

Looking at the UK market, the HomeKit market is anemic. We do have some smart locks but I’d really need to think about replacing the lock on the PVC outer door. Actually, the state is not great, the locks currently allow you to lock your door using your voice and check the lock status. To me that doesn’t yet add value, because interacting with Siri has a lot to be desired and locking the door is much faster than Siri.

This introduces another mode of interaction: NFC. That hasn’t been done in this country outside of business use cases. Maybe I am being too harsh?

There are only two of us in the den, and we usually go out together or one of us stays at home. Getting buyin from my fiancé would be difficult.
 
That's cool, but I never understood these. Won't you still need a key to unlock the door knob? All my exterior doors have a lock on the door knob and a dead bolt. This seems to just replace the deadbolt and unlock that. You still have to take out a physical key to unlock the door knob.

Not if you don't install a keyed knob.

Ask yourself just what purpose a keyed doorknob serves? Does it do anything different against forced entry than a non-keyed knob?

Way I figure someone kicking in the door isn't going to be holding the knob open while they step back to kick in the door. Nor would the keyed knob do anything w.r.t the person smashing a sidelight to reach in and unlock the locks. Only case where it'd matter would be slowing down a lock picker, but is that really going to matter?

Because keys were just such a poor choice...

Turn the question around...

Why are you still carrying keys?

My car's keyfob is a thick credit-card shape that stays in my wallet. My office uses a badge reader. I have an older Schlage lock with Homekit capability and a keypad.

I've not carried keys around for years.

Why are you?

Hope these work better than the Schlage Sense locks. Siri frequently has trouble finding my door locks even though most other HomeKit accessories have no such issues. Worse, I sometimes cannot remotely lock/unlock the door for guests, which means overall that I cannot rely on the Schlage Sense.
Interesting. I've had nothing but good luck with ours.

The AppleTV4K which serves as the homekit hub is about 15 feet away though, so perhaps that proximity makes a difference?

I do keep an unpublished code enabled on the lock just in case - worse comes to worse a guest can call me and I'll give them that code and then change it later if necessary.

The point is, I still have to get some type of fob out of my pocket or bag for this. Doesn't matter if it's a key or phone. If this worked in close proximity without having to take your phone out of your pocket/bag it would then be a great convenience.

I've had a smart lock with a keypad for years and that works great because I don't need anything besides my finger if I'm already carrying other thing. There is also nothing for me to forget. If I go walk my dog or for a run I don't need to grab or carry anything extra.

No you don't. It has a keypad, and it also works with Apple Watch.

Granted, if you're doing keypad only there's little reason to go buy this instead of what you have. My point is that Schlage seems to be adding abilities without taking legacy options away. This new one still does key, keypad, homekit, and now the new stuff.



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If anything, it would be better to have these "keys" features work with Apple Watch, which of course none of them do.

You sure? Per the product page...

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Defeating a Medeco or Mul-Ti-Lock would need a LOT of practice.

Keypad locks have drawbacks too. Membrane (flat) pads tend to depress over time giving the thief a leg up on guessing the code. Raised key locks are better but you have to clean the pad often as the buttons used to unlock will discolor with dirt.

It is for this reason that my code, my wife's code, and my daughter's code together end up covering all ten digits. So long as our usage isn't heavily skewed to just one of us, then there's relatively even wear across all.

Only an idiot contractor or homeowner installs locks on the exterior doorknobs. Deadbolts are far more secure. Those locks are for preventing casual toilet intrusions.

You use a keyed knob for your bathroom?

How nervous about being disturbed while sitting on the throne are you? :p

I’m in on a model without the physical key port. Completely defeats the security of the lock using a lock pick. I’ve been using Nest Yale locks for over 5 years now with no need for a “key backup.” You just hold a 9V battery against the bottom and it works fine if the batteries run out.

Serious question -- how many burglaries occur via the lock being picked instead of the door being kicked in, the door being crowbar'd open, a sidelight being smashed, or a window being smashed?

Just asking because of the two home burglaries I've experienced (one growing up, other at the house my wife lived in while we were dating), entry was via crowbar or kicking the door open.

As a home security newbie, I want to get this for my front door but I'm wondering how I can get a few "dumb" deadbolts keyed the same for the other doors in the home. Does anyone know?

If they're Schlage keyways, any HomeDepot or Lowes or probable ACE can rekey existing deadbolts to the new key. Just need to take them in.

Is it really common practice to share keys? I don’t think most people have a housekeeper, but I also don’t think those housekeepers have iPhones, or the ones which clean my house.

Thus the keypad. You can set a code for the housekeeper and make it valid only between certain times on certain days.

(the older Schlage Sense has that capability and presumably this updated model would also)
 
Am I the only person whose front door requires a little, how do you say... motivation... to lock?

These work great if your door is perfectly aligned...

Also, I am surprised we haven't seen locks that allow for the door to be unlocked when your apple watch is within a foot of the handle. The tap feature is nice for visitors, but a smart lock would simply unlock for people who have permission to enter.

Nope! This has been my exact problem with all of these motorized "smart locks" at both my previous home and my current residence. I had the August locks for a back door and an entry door to my detached garage, previously. And no matter what I did to try to make them work smoothly, the changes in temperature between summer and winter would cause the wooden doors and/or frames to shrink or expand enough so the bolt would stick or not quite align unless you pulled on the door while it was moving.

I have one on a side door now with a keypad, and it's handy ... but when the temperature changes, I have to fiddle with it a bit when it tries to lock. Sometimes, instead of pulling it completely closed, I have to just slightly open it a small crack and then it'll lock properly.
 
In our case, since we never replaced the doorknob. we do not lock it.

BUT we have to NEVER lock it.

LOL. cause if you lock the doorknob you are not getting in without that key.


it's weird. but yes. we never lock the bottom. We got used to it.
Just a cautionary note: Go to your local home store and get a metal door jam guard. It installs in a few minutes and it will keep your local break-in artist from just kicking the door in regardless of the deadbolt or door lock. The wood in the door jams is really cheap, glued-together poplar or some other crappy wood.
 
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Serious question -- how many burglaries occur via the lock being picked instead of the door being kicked in, the door being crowbar'd open, a sidelight being smashed, or a window being smashed?

Just asking because of the two home burglaries I've experienced (one growing up, other at the house my wife lived in while we were dating), entry was via crowbar or kicking the door open.
Yeah... that's my feeling about it too. Realistically, your door lock just keeps the honest people honest, and deters the casual "knob twister" who would walk in un-invited only if it was easy to do.

Picking the lock to get in is the hard way to go about things. Some pros might do that if they fancy themselves real experts at doing it quickly and efficiently. (Less noisy would be the big advantage for them that way.) But most will just kick a door open, because even a great deadbolt is only as good as the frame it fits into. And it's not like most homes are equipped with industrial type steel door-frames like you might find in a hotel room or business office.
 
Mechanical locks are easily picked, though.

It depends...
this is a "4-digit" pass code:
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and this is a 256-bit pass code (that you will not pick):
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anyway the point is that hackers steals "online", while burglars steals physically. With these "smart" locks both of them can steal physically so u have two menaces instead of one.
 
That's cool, but I never understood these. Won't you still need a key to unlock the door knob? All my exterior doors have a lock on the door knob and a dead bolt. This seems to just replace the deadbolt and unlock that. You still have to take out a physical key to unlock the door knob.
I only ever use the deadbolt because the lock in the knob is easier for a thief to overcome so it really doesn’t add much. The best thing to have is a long deadbolt with a steel door and frame.
 
anyway the point is that hackers steals "online", while burglars steals physically. With these "smart" locks both of them can steal physically so u have two menaces instead of one.

Still easier to kick in the door, or smash a window or side light.

Then there's the alarm system with door sensor, window sensors, and either motion sensors or large dog to contend with.
 
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