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well, I meant the US as the US government, not as its whole population.... I know half of them didn't vote for Bush! But then again, no wonder if the dollar is so low: the US has hence discouraged imports and incouraged exports. What pisses me off is that even if oil is bought in dollars, gas prices keep skyrocketing in Europe... Oil companies are evil! let's ride the bike and use home made renewable energy!..

I figured that's how you mean it. I just wanted to make it clear.

I wish that biking were possible here. Even though I'm less than five miles from work I'd be sweating halfway there even in "winter." Hell, I might not even make it to the end of my block.

how did this turn into a politics thread?

Because of the laws of forum dynamics, politics is one of the two ways all threads end. I'll let you figure out the other.
 
The Euro isn't killing the value of the US$,... Simply the US is making us pay for their war on terror like they like to call it!
I would like to see today countries like italy or spain or greece with their old currencies... they would be in deep trouble!

Tired of hearing this mantra repeated over and over. And this assumption is not based on any solid data. In the last 5 years, the only Euro countries that could not respect the Maastricht parameters were France and Germany. Spain has rock solid finances and the strongest growth of the entire Euro zone. About half of all the €500 notes are circulating in Spain. I don't see why they would have any trouble.

Italy is not as solid as Spain but they would be doing perfectly well with the Italian Lira. They would not be subject to the European Central Bank irresponsible policy and they would probably be free devaluate the Lira. No matter how much devaluation the Italians face, they would still not reach the US$ level, but still Italian exports would be saved. The obsession for stronger currency reminds me of a man trying to look for symbols to compensate for smaller organs. Besides, the euro is the only currency in the world that charges state members for Euro copyright. I strongly believe that is an expense that all European state members could perfectly live without.
 
It may be the case that Apple know that Italy has a large amount of tourists, so europe could be flooded with unlocked iPhones as well as sales to Italian folk. Tourists are likely to buy from Italy rather than buying a network locked iPhone from thier own country.

People buy iPhones from the US and unlock them rather than from say the UK just for the sole reason of how the dollar is currently doing against the Euro. At the end of the day, how much the unlocked iPhone will cost will be the deciding factor.
 
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The euro is the only currency in the world that charges state members for Euro copyright.

One reason why the UK is still with the Great Britain Pound (GBP) Also it would be bad for our economy after what the conservatives did in the early 90's with the European Exchange Rate Mechanism by entering at the wrong rate and interest rates when up to 15% from 10% in a day Plus 55% of the UK is against it.
 
I'm getting an iPhone (I live in Italy) but I think I'll be getting the next generation of iPhone. I'll wait, I mean it's just a phone. I've got the iPod Touch and a phone already...
 
Tired of hearing this mantra repeated over and over. And this assumption is not based on any solid data. In the last 5 years, the only Euro countries that could not respect the Maastricht parameters were France and Germany. Spain has rock solid finances and the strongest growth of the entire Euro zone. About half of all the €500 notes are circulating in Spain. I don't see why they would have any trouble.

Italy is not as solid as Spain but they would be doing perfectly well with the Italian Lira. They would not be subject to the European Central Bank irresponsible policy and they would probably be free devaluate the Lira. No matter how much devaluation the Italians face, they would still not reach the US$ level, but still Italian exports would be saved. The obsession for stronger currency reminds me of a man trying to look for symbols to compensate for smaller organs. Besides, the euro is the only currency in the world that charges state members for Euro copyright. I strongly believe that is an expense that all European state members could perfectly live without.

Ciccio abbassa la cresta, non venire a fare lezioni di economia alla tremonti. Purtroppo l'Italia è piena di gradassi come te che non vedono più in la della punta del loro naso. Le tue statistiche da 4 soldi buttate li senza contesto (i.e. la spagna / # di banconote) lasciano veramente il tempo che trovano.

Talk about the mac, the iphone whatever you want, but take this chat out of here, maybe over to a bar with some friends and beer, that'd be more appropriate.

cheers,
ign
 
iPhone in Italy, at last!
A recent survey said that Italy has more mobile phones than people...

My boss has 2 cell phones and I've often asked him why? And if he finds it cumbersome to always have two cell phones... He says no and looks at me like I'm crazy... :confused:
 
My boss has 2 cell phones and I've often asked him why? And if he finds it cumbersome to always have two cell phones... He says no and looks at me like I'm crazy... :confused:

It's the norm. in Italy and most of EU (From what I have seen), Where are you from/living.
 
It's the norm. in Italy and most of EU (From what I have seen), Where are you from/living.

In France, it's not. It's not uncommon to have both a professional and personal phone, but I wouldn't say it's the norm. From what I've seen, that's maybe 10% of the workforce, but no more.
 
Well OK maybe not the norm. but almost, Personally I'd say about 85% have 2 phones, I have 3 one personal. one for work and another for my own business.
 
Alt service providers?

So, in Italy, which cell phone service providers (phone companies) will be supporting the Euro-iPhones? All? Some? T-Mobile? Others? (Open source?) :confused:

Asking around, most travelers to Europe from the states don't know and are clueless about services available. Wife and I are going to Italy this summer, but have no idea how our current equipment will work there (T-Mobile). If need be, we will buy something newer here or there ... hopefully that we can bring back and use here in North America ... :confused:
 
So, in Italy, which cell phone service providers (phone companies) will be supporting the Euro-iPhones? All? Some? T-Mobile? Others? (Open source?) :confused:

Asking around, most travelers to Europe from the states don't know and are clueless about services available. Wife and I are going to Italy this summer, but have no idea how our current equipment will work there (T-Mobile). If need be, we will buy something newer here or there ... hopefully that we can bring back and use here in North America ... :confused:

Do your current phones support GSM-900 and GSM-1800? If they do they should work over here.

For iPhones depends who is the carrier as I think that they will come out locked to each carrier in the EU but best is TIM in Italy
 
So, in Italy, which cell phone service providers (phone companies) will be supporting the Euro-iPhones? All? Some? T-Mobile? Others? (Open source?) :confused:

Asking around, most travelers to Europe from the states don't know and are clueless about services available. Wife and I are going to Italy this summer, but have no idea how our current equipment will work there (T-Mobile). If need be, we will buy something newer here or there ... hopefully that we can bring back and use here in North America ... :confused:

Will cost twice as much... why not Pwn or Zibri it?
What I did...
 
" ... Do your current phones support GSM-900 and GSM-1800? If they do they should work over here. ..."

Currently: wife & me = a Blackberry Pearl, each on T-Mobile.

" ... best is TIM in Italy ... " " ... why not Pwn or Zibri it? What I did... "

Thanks a bunch guys ... I was hoping to get into an iPhone "just for the fun of it" ... But as long as our Blackberries work = Oh well, I'll have to get my Euro-Gadget fix somewhere else ... :eek:

( If enough gringo tourists carry iPhones around Europe, the balance of trade could get shifted a little ... or not. :D )

( FYI: the term "gringo" originated in pre-Columbian Spain and was meant to be a pejorative for anyone not Spanish.)
 
Sorry for the thread-resurrection, but I'm flying to italy tomorrow and I'm wondering what the actual status is now that the iPhone 3G is released.

All I know so far is that Vodafone offers a prepaid iPhone 3G without a contract but the purchase requires a "Codice Fiscale" which I already have.

Are the prepaid iPhones still carrier-locked? If so, are completely unlocked and carrier-independent iPhones available in Italy or not?
 
i know someone in Italy who could buy me one, and send it over

The only question i have is will they DEFINATLY work on ANY UK network

and will the menus be english

hope someone knows the answer to my question
 
The iPhone (prepaid version) in italy is not locked... You can use it with any carrier.
The only problem is the availability...:(

Of course yuo can set English as menu language.
 
The iPhone (prepaid version) in italy is not locked... You can use it with any carrier.
The only problem is the availability...:(

Of course yuo can set English as menu language.

cool so if i know someone who can get me one i should take him up on his offer?

woooooooooooooooooo unlocked iphone for me soon :D
 
AT&T and unlocked Italian iphone

Do you think it is possible to use a Vodafone ITA iphone 3G on AT&T,
choosing simply a PDA plan (w/out the voice part)?

As far as you know there is a PDA plan, with M2M included (from AT&T)?
Any other provider, in the US, offering 3G (UMTS 2100, iphone compatible)?

Do you think $800 is a fair price for an unlocked i-phone 3G 8Gb?

Any suggestion is welcomed. Thanks in advance
 
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