Unreal Engine 3 Comes to the Mac Platform

[apolloa]

Lastly, I keep hearing "Gears of War". Gears of War 1 was a PC game. The last two Gears of War's are Xbox exclusive. It looks like it's a trilogy and this is the end.

Actually Gears Of War 1 was a 360 exclusive that came to the PC platform. Gears Of War series IMO is one of the games that has defined this generation. Same with Unchartered on the PS3.

Oh and on the subject of GPU power:

http://www.barefeats.com/mini11_02.html
http://www.barefeats.com/imac11c.html

I still prefer a 15" laptop though to a huge 27" machine.

 

[Mattsasa]

Which as I said before. Lower resolution means you either have to run the game in a Window - not taking up the full monitor (Or large black borders - depending on preference), or you have to run it through a rescaler - which is the single biggest quality drop you can pretty much perform.

so what you'll run your game in a window or with black borders... so what

how is that any worse than a pc with a 1080p display?

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http://www.barefeats.com/mini11_02.html
http://www.barefeats.com/imac11c.html

thanks for again proving that unreal engine 3 will be great on a mac

 

[Exhale]

so what you'll run your game in a window or with black borders... so what

Some consider it rather distracting, considering the iMac's rather unimpressive black level. (A general IPS panel problem)

It completely wrecks the Amnesia: The Dark Descent experience for example.

 

[apolloa]

so what you'll run your game in a window or with black borders... so what

how is that any worse than a pc with a 1080p display?

Because with a PC you can configure it so your graphics card can play the games without any borders at higher then 1080P resolution.
And please can people stop it with this HD BS? HD is for consoles, since when has it applied to monitor resolutions and games? Most decent monitors go above 1080P!

 

[diamond.g]

so what you'll run your game in a window or with black borders... so what

how is that any worse than a pc with a 1080p display?

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thanks for again proving that unreal engine 3 will be great on a mac

The FPS shown for Borderlands (the only UE3 game barefeats tested) look pretty lackluster...

 

[commander.data]

thanks for again proving that unreal engine 3 will be great on a mac

Let's not get ahead of ourselves. UE3 may not be a heavy hitter in terms of performance requirements, but that is even more so for the Source Engine. We'll need to see a UE3 game on Mac before knowing how well UE3 runs on the Mac. Luckily, Feral is porting Batman Arkham's Asylum to Mac, unrelated to Epic's work in porting the engine, so we'll see soon.

EDIT: Ah yes, Borderlands is also a UE3 game so there is that. The special shading technique it uses makes it unique to the usual look of games though so it may not be the most broadly comparable data point.

 

[Mattsasa]

Some consider it rather distracting, considering the iMac's rather unimpressive black level. (A general IPS panel problem)

It completely wrecks the Amnesia: The Dark Descent experience for example.

why can't you just run Amnesia: Dark Descent at 2560x1400?

Because with a PC you can configure it so your graphics card can play the games without any borders at higher then 1080P resolution.
And please can people stop it with this HD BS? HD is for consoles, since when has it applied to monitor resolutions and games? Most decent monitors go above 1080P!

so now we are talking higher that 1080P, which is beside the point, A high-extreme range laptop or all-in one PC, can not play games any better than the iMac with the 6970

Very very very few laptops have displays higher than 1080p

 

[diamond.g]

so what you'll run your game in a window or with black borders... so what

how is that any worse than a pc with a 1080p display?

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thanks for again proving that unreal engine 3 will be great on a mac

why can't you just run Amnesia: Dark Descent at 2560x1400?



so now we are talking higher that 1080P, which is beside the point, A high-extreme range laptop or all-in one PC, can not play games any better than the iMac with the 6970

Very very very few laptops have displays higher than 1080p

Is that admission that Apple could have used better hardware for the iMac, so games can be ran (at greater than slide show speeds) at native resolution?

 

[Mattsasa]

Is that admission that Apple could have used better hardware for the iMac, so games can be ran (at greater than slide show speeds) at native resolution?

no such better hardware existed when the last imac was launched, and it would have increased the price of the machine even more.

and besides most games will run at native resolution at 60fps!

just some high-end extreme games must run at lower resolution, just like with any other laptop or all-in one from any other manufacturer.

say hp sells an all-in-one for $500, would you say that they should have put better graphics in so people could play more extreme games on it?!

your comment made no sense

 

[LimeiBook86]

As a long-time and current player of UT2004 it's a little too late. I reboot my 27" iMac into Windows to play UT2004 nearly every night. (ONS at the Omnipotents server, check it out). I bought the Mac version of the game but it's got a few differences that I couldn't adapt to.

I wasn't waiting around either! I built a PC in late 2008 and the Unreal Tournament games get very frequent use. It was a steal considering I was able to pickup the UT3 collector's edition for under $15 at GameStop (new) a few years back.

I'm glad I didn't wait, I feel sorry for those who had. I'm happy Unreal Engine 3 is finally coming to the Mac, it's great news for the gamers out there who don't want to use Boot Camp. But it sure did take a while.

 

[apolloa]

so now we are talking higher that 1080P, which is beside the point, A high-extreme range laptop or all-in one PC, can not play games any better than the iMac with the 6970

Very very very few laptops have displays higher than 1080p

One laptop immediately springs to mind:
http://store.apple.com/uk/browse/home/shop_mac/family/macbook_pro

Why are you talking about laptops anyway? The iMac was a desktop last time I looked, stop turning your argument to suit laptops or desktops when it suites. The iMac is a desktop using a laptop GPU, apparently.
So it does matter as plenty of desktops have monitors with higher resolutions, sorry plenty of MONITORS have higher resolutions then 1080P. It is always best if possible to play at a screens native resolution.
A PC thrashes a Mac on gaming.

Oh here's an example of why:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1Ga5Ybw3QA

 

[Mattsasa]

One laptop immediately springs to mind:
http://store.apple.com/uk/browse/home/shop_mac/family/macbook_pro

Why are you talking about laptops anyway? The iMac was a desktop last time I looked, stop turning your argument to suit laptops or desktops when it suites. The iMac is a desktop using a laptop GPU, apparently.
So it does matter as plenty of desktops have monitors with higher resolutions, sorry plenty of MONITORS have higher resolutions then 1080P. It is always best if possible to play at a screens native resolution.
A PC thrashes a Mac on gaming.

Oh here's an example of why:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1Ga5Ybw3QA

yes I though of that laptop too, thats why I said most laptops...

and if you compare the iMac to a tower... then I am done talking to you

and we are not talking about pc vs mac gaming!!! we are talking about how the unreal engine 3 for mac is a good step forward for mac gaming

also: the price of that setup in that video is far higher than the price of an iMac

 

[yukio]

Maybe MacSoft will finally port Unreal Tournament 3 to Mac OS X! It's only been 3 years... maybe "this spring" it will finally happen!

LOL, yeah - looks like they went all DS on us, eh?

UT3 has gotten enough improvements and mods since release that I'd welcome the ability to play it on Mac.

When I need light, stimulating run & gun - nothing comes close to UT2004 - even UT3. Movement never felt as "nimble."

But am so ready to give it second chance. My Bootcamp partition becomes less and less necessary with each passing day.

(formerly [YKI] Yukio)

 

[apolloa]

yes I though of that laptop too, thats why I said most laptops...

and if you compare the iMac to a tower... then I am done talking to you

Then STOP using HD resolutions and laptops in your argument for iMac gaming. And what else are your going to compare an iMac to when comparing to PC gaming to defend the 'extreme' GPU it has?

EDIT:
No but YOUR talking about PC gaming and I also proved my point with that video.

 

[diamond.g]

no such better hardware existed when the last imac was launched, and it would have increased the price of the machine even more.

They could have used desktop cards, which Apple would have been able to get great prices on the chips to put on boards themselves. Since they seem to be good at that kind of thing. The 6990 seemed to be available. They would have been the only AIO to have it too...

and besides most games will run at native resolution at 60fps!

Most games don't use UE3 either, what is your point?

just some high-end extreme games must run at lower resolution, just like with any other laptop or all-in one from any other manufacturer.

Those high end extreme games, tend to use UE3...

say hp sells an all-in-one for $500, would you say that they should have put better graphics in so people could play more extreme games on it?!

your comment made no sense

Apple doesn't sell an all-in-one for 500 dollars so this comment makes no sense.

 

[Mattsasa]

Then STOP using HD resolutions and laptops in your argument for iMac gaming. And what else are your going to compare an iMac to when comparing to PC gaming to defend the 'extreme' GPU it has?

I am going to compare it to anything! It is more more powerful and less portable than a laptop, and less powerful and more portable than a tower.

All I am saying is that it has an high-extreme Mobile gpu, that will make great use of the unreal engine 3!

 

[Justinf79]

This is pretty awesome news.

Hopefully id Software ports the idTech 5 engine over to Mac as well. (Heard RAGE might eventually get ported over to Mac)

 

[Mattsasa]

They could have used desktop cards, which Apple would have been able to get great prices on the chips to put on boards themselves. Since they seem to be good at that kind of thing. The 6990 seemed to be available. They would have been the only AIO to have it too...
Most games don't use UE3 either, what is your point?

Those high end extreme games, tend to use UE3...


Apple doesn't sell an all-in-one for 500 dollars so this comment makes no sense.

they would have used desktop cards sure, but that would have made the imac bigger and more expensive, and obviously not a good business decision.

why does apple need to make an all-in-one that can play extreme games??????

They made an all-in-one for 99% of consumers who don't play extreme games.... however this machine can still play low and mid range games.

and high end games at lower resolutions...

either way UE3 will be beneficial to the MAC!

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EDIT:
No but YOUR talking about PC gaming and I also proved my point with that video.

I was never talking about PC gaming!

and for the record: I have a smilar system like that video in my dorm room... I am an extreme PC gamer... and I am a HUGE minority. however I am also a mac user, that's why this is good news, many mac users can benefit from this

 

[ikir]

@Mattsasa

I think they are just not reading your post. You made clear your potions and you're are right, they're trying to put words in your mouth.

And BTW i love gaming on my iMac! And so everything as coding websites, movie making, photo editing, gfx on 2560x1440

 

[apolloa]

I was never talking about PC gaming!

and for the record: I have a smilar system like that video in my dorm room... I am an extreme PC gamer... and I am a HUGE minority. however I am also a mac user, that's why this is good news, many mac users can benefit from this

Well yeah to have a setup like the one in the video you need a few thousand spare! It is at the extreme end of the hobby. I agree it COULD be good news. Agree Macs can game, I get peeved with Apple's attitude to gamers though.

But it is going to limit older machines, that's a bad point, plus those with 13" laptops, well the new ones anyway. To see Unreal 3 would be good, but it is old. Rage would be more interesting and BF 3.

 

[Mattsasa]

Well yeah to have a setup like the one in the video you need a few thousand spare! It is at the extreme end of the hobby. I agree it COULD be good news. Agree Macs can game, I get peeved with Apple's attitude to gamers though.

But it is going to limit older machines, that's a bad point, plus those with 13" laptops, well the new ones anyway. To see Unreal 3 would be good, but it is old. Rage would be more interesting and BF 3.

yes I agree, this will be limiting on older machines, but will be great on machines yet to be released,

and yes Apple has had a negative attitude towards PC gamers,(probably because they are unfortunately a small market) but in the last 2 years or so, it appears they are changing their attitude.

 

[wikus]

All my friends plays on Mac since few years, the play more than before, with less problems and have fun without problems and i speak of players who play too mac lan or MMO. My iMac 27" plays every game in native res with high details (just not sync which kills performance) without slowdows. Even base iMac can be a nice gaming machine nowadays.

Ive got a macbook pro 2011 with an ATI 6750M. Playing Half Life 2 ep. 2 at full details and 1680x1050 w/ 2X FSAA proves stable.

However, when hooking up to my 24" LCD and running the game at 1920x1200 proves laggy; between 35-50FPS during non-action scenes. When theres a lot going on, ie; guns blazing, monsters exploding, crates being launched via gravity gun it slows down below 30fps. THIS IS ALSO IN WINDOWS.

HL2ep2 is an old game. I can only imagine how poorly an iMac will perform on a resolution of 2560 by 1440 pixels, especially on newer games.

I'm selling my mac pro (due to faster processor in my macbook)... i really am scared of letting go of having the ability to pick and chose my video card and have a real choice in gaming.

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yes I agree, this will be limiting on older machines, but will be great on machines yet to be released,

and yes Apple has had a negative attitude towards PC gamers,(probably because they are unfortunately a small market) but in the last 2 years or so, it appears they are changing their attitude.

Completely false. Its a *huge* market that apple has been to stupid/arrogant/stubborn to capitalize on.

 

[diamond.g]

Ive got a macbook pro 2011 with an ATI 6750M. Playing Half Life 2 ep. 2 at full details and 1680x1050 w/ 2X FSAA proves stable.

However, when hooking up to my 24" LCD and running the game at 1920x1200 proves laggy; between 35-50FPS during non-action scenes. When theres a lot going on, ie; guns blazing, monsters exploding, crates being launched via gravity gun it slows down below 30fps. THIS IS ALSO IN WINDOWS.

HL2ep2 is an old game. I can only imagine how poorly an iMac will perform on a resolution of 2560 by 1440 pixels, especially on newer games.

I'm selling my mac pro (due to faster processor in my macbook)... i really am scared of letting go of having the ability to pick and chose my video card and have a real choice in gaming.

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Completely false. Its a *huge* market that apple has been to stupid/arrogant/stubborn to capitalize on.

to underscore that point, note how Apple touted having more games than other mobile gaming devices combined...

 

[SlickShoes]

A good news post turns into a Mac vs PC thread, how depressingly predictable.

 

[Mattsasa]

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Completely false. Its a *huge* market that apple has been to stupid/arrogant/stubborn to capitalize on.

Well I am for sure apart of that market, but I recognize PC gaming is relatively tiny compared too console gaming and mobile gaming. and non-gamers