Try rendering video! Given that graphics file sizes are getting bigger every year as resolutions improve both for photos and for apps I'm very pleased to hear that the speed is increasing accordingly. Personally I think computers have a long way to go before they've reached 'fast enough'.
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Try rendering video! Given that graphics file sizes are getting bigger every year as resolutions improve both for photos and for apps I'm very pleased to hear that the speed is increasing accordingly. Personally I think computers have a long way to go before they've reached 'fast enough'.
Got to love the AMD Hackintosh he had listed
That's an impressive score considering the age of the chip. I have considered a 3930 hack before and that geekbench got me thinking about it again since the Mac Pros are MIA.
What if the MacBookPro9,1 has the same form factor it has had since June of 2009?
Wouldn't be that bad. It means upgradable ram and another bay for an HDD. Hopefully apple can do the latter on their own by getting rid of the ODD.
Same outside with rearranged internals would please me.
No Mac Pro revisions on the horizon by the looks of it
I'd like to see Apple pushing the bleeding edge as far as it can go for those in the creative industries that need the performance, not delivering everything to the lowest common denominator.
I only have a brand new 1-year-old Air I got back on Black Friday. But I am really feeling the constraints of the 4GB RAM and 128GB SSD so I am seriously considering upgrading when new Air's come along. I hope they're on the way as soon as the Pro's are. Because if they offer a model with 8GB, I will pick up a 256GB model with 8GB and the higher-end processor even if its performance is only slightly higher. 4GB RAM is really small and I end up with so many page outs, slow down and Gigabytes of virtual RAM taking up my SSD space. I find myself quitting all apps, letting the RAM and VM settle down and relaunching everything once in a while to freshen things up.
I would get a Pro, but I really love the small DVD-less form factor of the Air. The Pro is just so much heavier. So I can't wait to see what comes next, but I suspect unless they merge the Air and Pro lines, the Air will still end up being much lighter. Though if they did release a DVD-less Pro that was only slightly heavier but so much more packed with specs, I'd probably consider it too.
Either way, I can't wait for WWDC if only for iOS6 and Mountain Lion's reveal. I hope that ML is actually released that day. I can't see why it wouldn't. Last year they unveiled Lion at WWDC and released DP's for months. This year they went a different direction and showed off ML months before WWDC. I imagine they're gearing up for a WWDC release of ML and I can't wait. One more month.
I would get a Pro, but I really love the small DVD-less form factor of the Air. The Pro is just so much heavier. So I can't wait to see what comes next, but I suspect unless they merge the Air and Pro lines, the Air will still end up being much lighter. Though if they did release a DVD-less Pro that was only slightly heavier but so much more packed with specs, I'd probably consider it too.
Either way, I can't wait for WWDC if only for iOS6 and Mountain Lion's reveal. I hope that ML is actually released that day. I can't see why it wouldn't. Last year they unveiled Lion at WWDC and released DP's for months. This year they went a different direction and showed off ML months before WWDC. I imagine they're gearing up for a WWDC release of ML and I can't wait. One more month.
Bye, Bye Mac Pro
Or "open Mac," I should say.
But first, this isn't my first post. I've been with MacRumors from day one. I just rarely post and have no idea what my screen name and password were.
Second, I'll beat you to the punch plus deny you the satisfaction of calling me a Troll a term which has lost all meaning first. I'm a Troll (whatever the hell that means).
If you don't enthusiastically agree with 100% of everything Apple does, you are a disloyal, treacherous heretic who should delete his forum account and not say another word (unless it's always "Yes!").
I've never owned a computer that wasn't made by Apple and have been a loyal customer and promoter for three decades+.
But I guess if I would like a new generation Mac Pro or some sort of "open" Mac, maybe with two 16x PCI slots (with spacers) and a port of SLI and CrossFireX (which makes sense if Apple's goal with both GCD and OpenCL was harnessing GPGPU power - like most SuperComputers do now) and maybe a Thunderbolt port, I'm not singing from the hymnal anymore like I should, and should rightly leave the Apple community and buy the first non-Apple computer in my life. A nice Hackintosh.
Fictional Apple Manifesto:
Or "open Mac," I should say.
But first, this isn't my first post. I've been with MacRumors from day one. I just rarely post and have no idea what my screen name and password were.
Second, I'll beat you to the punch plus deny you the satisfaction of calling me a Troll a term which has lost all meaning first. I'm a Troll (whatever the hell that means).
If you don't enthusiastically agree with 100% of everything Apple does, you are a disloyal, treacherous heretic who should delete his forum account and not say another word (unless it's always "Yes!").
I've never owned a computer that wasn't made by Apple and have been a loyal customer and promoter for three decades+.
But I guess if I would like a new generation Mac Pro or some sort of "open" Mac, maybe with two 16x PCI slots (with spacers) and a port of SLI and CrossFireX (which makes sense if Apple's goal with both GCD and OpenCL was harnessing GPGPU power - like most SuperComputers do now) and maybe a Thunderbolt port, I'm not singing from the hymnal anymore like I should, and should rightly leave the Apple community and buy the first non-Apple computer in my life. A nice Hackintosh.
Fictional Apple Manifesto:
"The Mac Pro isn't selling so well. Haven't a clue why. "
"I mean, sure, relative to all our other products, it hasn't gotten the same 'care and feeding' since around 2003 when it was called the Power Mac G5. Let's see: 2012 - 2003; that around 9 years -- NOT EVEN A DECADE FOR HEAVEN'S SAKE! So why the urgency for a major reinvention like the iMac has seen from the Bondi original to the 'Luxo Lamp' iMac to the present incarnation to the soon-to-be-released model?"
"And sure the Mac Pro's existence has consisted mainly of a series of uninspiring, as-usual spec bumps that didn't create lines outside our stores. And maybe the 'Radiator' or 'Cheese Grater' Industrial Design looks a little dated after 9 years."
"And sure we abruptly put the brakes on our once aggressive development of and commitment to Grand Central Dispatch as of Snow Leopard, so buying a twelve-core Mac Pro makes absolutely no sense if so many of the cores are left tapping their feet or dozing off from boredom."
"But the slowdown in sales has absolutely nothing to do with us. It's the Pro community's fault. Why the heck should we have to refresh the product to keep up sales? People should just keep buying more units of the same generation."
"But, no! They want their stupid Parallel GPU Processing through multiple graphics cards. They want killer new Core APIs like Tiger introduced and Leopard. They want us to spend some time improving Grand Central Dispatch in Mac -- I mean OS X. They want their Thunderbolt. The even want SATA III? What a bunch of whiners. So demanding. It's your fault - just quit complaining and keep buying more of them. There's nothing we can do to create enthusiasm for the product."
"Or if you refuse to keep buying the current (and final) generation of Mac Pros, buy a Mac mini ('cause it's just so small and cute!) and use the Thunderbolt port to attach a giant PCI card chassis to the little devil. Then add your duplicate graphics cards and write to nVidia and AMD/ATI and tell them to write SLI and CrossFireX drivers or System Extensions or whatever. Then add a card to the box attached to the mini that has an eSATA or another Thunderbolt port on it and attach a big 4TB external drive to the PCI card box connected to the cute little devil AND STOP COMPLAINING! (Oh, and do it while we still make 'Trucks,' 'cause we can't wait to stop making personal computers -- so....2010.)"
"BTW, why are you asking why the upcoming MacBook outperforms the upcoming iMac? We've told you and told you: the AirBook (Woops! Let that one slip) the MacBook Air is the what you can expect future Macs to be like -- not the stupid iMac! C'mon!"
"We first told you at 'Away From the Mac' -- I MEAN, "BACK To the Mac.'
"And the upcoming MacBooks and iMacs will be sealed with hot glue. Just a heads up. Oh, and we're discontinuing our external SuperDrive -- selling too well."
"But this is all about before we retire the Mac brand. It's one of the most recognized brands globally, but it was your parents who used Macs. Who's going to want to use a product that sounds so old-fashioned. And why is Coca-Cola still using their centuries-old brand name? Kids don't buy the same soda their grandparents drank! Coca-Cola's mistake was they didn't give New Coke enough of a chance."
We would have retired the Mac brand a long time ago, except those pesky YoY growth numbers foil our plans every time! If we just hadn't run that 'Get a Mac' TV ad campaign!"
Oh, and lastly, if you've been reading pieces about how we're a bit lost about what we want the iPhone '5' to be, it's because Steve Jobs is no longer running Apple."
""I mean, sure, relative to all our other products, it hasn't gotten the same 'care and feeding' since around 2003 when it was called the Power Mac G5. Let's see: 2012 - 2003; that around 9 years -- NOT EVEN A DECADE FOR HEAVEN'S SAKE! So why the urgency for a major reinvention like the iMac has seen from the Bondi original to the 'Luxo Lamp' iMac to the present incarnation to the soon-to-be-released model?"
"And sure the Mac Pro's existence has consisted mainly of a series of uninspiring, as-usual spec bumps that didn't create lines outside our stores. And maybe the 'Radiator' or 'Cheese Grater' Industrial Design looks a little dated after 9 years."
"And sure we abruptly put the brakes on our once aggressive development of and commitment to Grand Central Dispatch as of Snow Leopard, so buying a twelve-core Mac Pro makes absolutely no sense if so many of the cores are left tapping their feet or dozing off from boredom."
"But the slowdown in sales has absolutely nothing to do with us. It's the Pro community's fault. Why the heck should we have to refresh the product to keep up sales? People should just keep buying more units of the same generation."
"But, no! They want their stupid Parallel GPU Processing through multiple graphics cards. They want killer new Core APIs like Tiger introduced and Leopard. They want us to spend some time improving Grand Central Dispatch in Mac -- I mean OS X. They want their Thunderbolt. The even want SATA III? What a bunch of whiners. So demanding. It's your fault - just quit complaining and keep buying more of them. There's nothing we can do to create enthusiasm for the product."
"Or if you refuse to keep buying the current (and final) generation of Mac Pros, buy a Mac mini ('cause it's just so small and cute!) and use the Thunderbolt port to attach a giant PCI card chassis to the little devil. Then add your duplicate graphics cards and write to nVidia and AMD/ATI and tell them to write SLI and CrossFireX drivers or System Extensions or whatever. Then add a card to the box attached to the mini that has an eSATA or another Thunderbolt port on it and attach a big 4TB external drive to the PCI card box connected to the cute little devil AND STOP COMPLAINING! (Oh, and do it while we still make 'Trucks,' 'cause we can't wait to stop making personal computers -- so....2010.)"
"BTW, why are you asking why the upcoming MacBook outperforms the upcoming iMac? We've told you and told you: the AirBook (Woops! Let that one slip) the MacBook Air is the what you can expect future Macs to be like -- not the stupid iMac! C'mon!"
"We first told you at 'Away From the Mac' -- I MEAN, "BACK To the Mac.'
"And the upcoming MacBooks and iMacs will be sealed with hot glue. Just a heads up. Oh, and we're discontinuing our external SuperDrive -- selling too well."
"But this is all about before we retire the Mac brand. It's one of the most recognized brands globally, but it was your parents who used Macs. Who's going to want to use a product that sounds so old-fashioned. And why is Coca-Cola still using their centuries-old brand name? Kids don't buy the same soda their grandparents drank! Coca-Cola's mistake was they didn't give New Coke enough of a chance."
We would have retired the Mac brand a long time ago, except those pesky YoY growth numbers foil our plans every time! If we just hadn't run that 'Get a Mac' TV ad campaign!"
Oh, and lastly, if you've been reading pieces about how we're a bit lost about what we want the iPhone '5' to be, it's because Steve Jobs is no longer running Apple."
I don't know guys, after discovering this geekbench result yesterday and trying to understand the results leads to me believe that they may collapse the 13" pro model into the macbook air line! And only leave the pro machines to the 15" and possibly a 17" (if they don't discontinue that)
If it were a to follow the previous releases then this in fact should be a MacBookPro9,2 (15") and not a 9,1 (13"). Meaning that the 9,1 would be the 15". We know that processor in that geekbench score won't go in at 13" model, it draws too much power 45W and there has never been a 13" with a 45W processor.
If we think about it, today's 13" sandy bridge pro and air are "almost" neck to neck in performance. With the new ivy bridge processor the performance gap becomes even smaller and almost close to the same! It makes perfect sense that they would do that as new airs probably could perform just as well as a 13" pro.
What do you think?
If it were a to follow the previous releases then this in fact should be a MacBookPro9,2 (15") and not a 9,1 (13"). Meaning that the 9,1 would be the 15". We know that processor in that geekbench score won't go in at 13" model, it draws too much power 45W and there has never been a 13" with a 45W processor.
If we think about it, today's 13" sandy bridge pro and air are "almost" neck to neck in performance. With the new ivy bridge processor the performance gap becomes even smaller and almost close to the same! It makes perfect sense that they would do that as new airs probably could perform just as well as a 13" pro.
What do you think?
I have to say that I agree. Not for any of the commercial reasons you outline (which may well be true) but because of the availability of the mobile dual core processor that goes into the entry level 13" MBP. I can't see Apple launching the new range in two tranches so I can only assume the entry level 13" MBP is a goner...
I can get 7890 with my 13" MBP, I don´t know it that´s a lot or not.
http://browse.geekbench.ca/geekbench2/641792
Sure those scores from the "new Macs" are worth considering, but I just want a decent GPU in the new iMac (7970m would be nice).
http://browse.geekbench.ca/geekbench2/641792
Sure those scores from the "new Macs" are worth considering, but I just want a decent GPU in the new iMac (7970m would be nice).
Even the 2011 models are fast enough for my computer needs,anything quicker is a bonus ..Im just hoping for a retina monitor some day for the imac
Looks good to me...
Compared my machine to the iMac, GeekBench is relatively new to me:
http://browse.geekbench.ca/geekbench2/compare/657744/667754
I think the next iMac is the machine for me!
The comparison to the MacBook Pro is enlightening as well:
http://browse.geekbench.ca/geekbench2/compare/664125/667754
I think you only really notice and appreciate the value of upgrades if you do it less often.
Compared my machine to the iMac, GeekBench is relatively new to me:
http://browse.geekbench.ca/geekbench2/compare/657744/667754
I think the next iMac is the machine for me!
The comparison to the MacBook Pro is enlightening as well:
http://browse.geekbench.ca/geekbench2/compare/664125/667754
I think you only really notice and appreciate the value of upgrades if you do it less often.
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CPU speeds are so blaise. Is there anything you can't do that a faster CPU can? Nope, video encoders get lost.
We need higher res screens ASAP and GPU is now the limiting factor in machines. Give the 13' a dedicated AMD card and then we'll have something to talk about.
We need higher res screens ASAP and GPU is now the limiting factor in machines. Give the 13' a dedicated AMD card and then we'll have something to talk about.
32-Bit applications run fine on Intel 64-Bit processors and in a OS X 64-Bit kernel environment, because the processor hardware is backward compatible.
Apple would use the 64-Bit version of benchmark tool on 64-Bit hardware.
My trusty 5.5year old iMac scores a whopping 2966. I can't wait until we can get our hands on the I/B iMacs.
http://browse.geekbench.ca/geekbench2/667483
http://browse.geekbench.ca/geekbench2/667483
I'm a little disappointed. I can see this being an exciting update for people waiting but I'm comparing my Macbook Pro which is over a year old (8,3) and I score 11243. I hope they get a much better GPU. I'd buy one just for that alone.
It's becoming more and more appealing to build a hackintosh and be able to upgrade quicker. Unfortunately it isn't much of an option for me because I really need a powerful laptop for work.
I'm reading a lot of comments and I figured it should be noted that Geekbench does not score anything besides processor plus ram. HDD + GPU isn't included.
It's becoming more and more appealing to build a hackintosh and be able to upgrade quicker. Unfortunately it isn't much of an option for me because I really need a powerful laptop for work.
I'm reading a lot of comments and I figured it should be noted that Geekbench does not score anything besides processor plus ram. HDD + GPU isn't included.
But at least the iMac scores slightly higher in processor integer and floating point. I don't know what they mean, though. Just using logic and common sense.
Exactly.
This is what I think also. The "pro" versions will be 15" and 17" only, and then the macbooks (They will probably drop the "air" branding") will be available in 11", 13" and possibly 15"
If the 15" Macbook (Air) begins to outsell the 15" Pro, Apple could very well reduce the Macbook Pro line to just the 17" in the future.
Whatever happens, I can't wait to update my 2008 MPB!