Unverified iPad 3 Rumors: Price List Suggests Price Hike Over iPad 2, Shipments to U.S. En Route?

[cameronjpu]

You're kidding right?

https://www.macrumors.com/2012/02/1...in-2011-than-it-sold-macs-in-almost-30-years/

The iPad is 2 years old, look at the graph... it clearly shows its growing more rapidly than any other Apple device!
A lot more iPads are ending up in businesses and even the public sector (police, government, hospitals etc).

I think you will find this is why Apple is currently trying to make osX more of a iosX then even maybe just iOS. They're gradually moving towards the iOS look and feel to try and mirror the success of the iDevices, mainly the iPad!
Its a smart business move, some people find it hard to switch from a PC to a Mac, but find it very easy to use a iPad. A Macbook or an iMac running iOS, maybe even with a touch screen...then BOOM there goes the PC market. Sales of Mac's go up and Apple once again has left its competitors in the dust.

Why can't you see the obvious sarcasm in the post you're replying to?

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it's value is reduced compared to when the original was produced. back then a decent device with eInk was 300€, now they're 50€.

books on an iPad was one of the biggest advantages of the original iPad when it was produced ... however, the iPad is now useless for reading (in value-for-money terms)

personally, I love apple products.

some are great value-for-money, such as:
11" MBA
Apple TV 2

some are OK value for money:
iPod touch

some are bad value for money:
iPhone
iPad

Isn't it funny that the products you find the worst values are the ones that are most popular. How do you reconcile the fact that your opinion is outvoted by self-interested buyers worldwide? Do you think they're all just idiots and you're the only one who knows what a good deal is?

 

[LostSoul80]

Isn't it funny that the products you find the worst values are the ones that are most popular. How do you reconcile the fact that your opinion is outvoted by self-interested buyers worldwide? Do you think they're all just idiots and you're the only one who knows what a good deal is?

I don't see any mention in any statement about someone acting as the announcer of the Truth: it's not a matter of being idiot or not (which is quite rude and mean, not the word itself but the use you're making of it).
Anyone is free to express his/her opinion and is free to consider a product bad or good, and you can only comment on your end.

 

[monkeybongo]

I doubt 128GB is in the cards - 16, 32, 64, 96?

 

[xxBURT0Nxx]

why would they do 96?

doesn't really make sense to have 64gb and 32 gb chips as opposed to two 64gb chips.

And 48gb chips don't exist...

 

[acidfast7]

Why can't you see the obvious sarcasm in the post you're replying to?

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Isn't it funny that the products you find the worst values are the ones that are most popular. How do you reconcile the fact that your opinion is outvoted by self-interested buyers worldwide? Do you think they're all just idiots and you're the only one who knows what a good deal is?

Actually, I feel that most consumers are stupid, especially those that sign a 24month/2000USD contract for a phone (but that's a different story for a different day.)

 

[xxBURT0Nxx]

Actually, I feel that most consumers are stupid, especially those that sign a 24month/2000USD contract for a phone (but that's a different story for a different day.)

yeah, because I don't need the service to use the phone? Why is paying $600 for a phone and then still paying the same monthly charge a better deal than paying $200 for a phone and the same price for monthly service. Seems your logic is a lot stupider than mine... cost you an extra $400 for the EXACT same thing.

 

[acidfast7]

yeah, because I don't need the service to use the phone? Why is paying $600 for a phone and then still paying the same monthly charge a better deal than paying $200 for a phone and the same price for monthly service. Seems your logic is a lot stupider than mine... cost you an extra $400 for the EXACT same thing.

you do realize that if you refused to pay the contract and went pre-pay (like most of Europe) that the company would change their options.

instead of continuing to pay like you do now

:facepalm:

i feel sorry for you guys. you had the cheapest service on the globe pre-iPhone and now you have some of the most expensive entry-level plans (with no competition in the pre-pay market, unfortunately)

 

[aperry]

Let's be reasonable here.

First, no one likes a price increase. We'd all prefer if the new iPad was $70 less than an iPad 2, but that's just not realistic. A 9.5" Retina Display must cost a ton, and if the iPad 3 has a 4g LTE chip as well, that's probably pricey too.

No other manufacturer has even come close to matching the iPad's specs and price. It's just a lot of tech in a very small package.

No $100 tablet is going to be comparable to the iPad. I've played with a few of those cheap tablets you can find on QVC or the Home Shopping Network. They're awful. The touch screens are mushy and unresponsive. The processor is slow and under-powered. The software is flakey and incongruous.

Love or hate Apple, you can't play the "Apple Hardware is way over-priced" card when it comes to the iPad.

Totally false statement. Not only have they come close, but they beaten it. The Transformer Primer beats the iPad in just about every spec, including speed, size, display, battery. The price is hard to compare, but it would be hard to state that the Prime is more expensive. I know the argument, it's about "user experience" not "specs". But you're the one who said specs.

As for the other improvements, many of us are expecting these at the same price points especially given increased competition in the market and the fact that it's one year later. Will it happen? Who knows. But at a $580 entry price given everything we've heard, it may not make sense for everyone. The again, if they were to double the storage (which is cheap for them) it would make all the difference. That's what I'm hoping

 

[bpaluzzi]

you do realize that if you refused to pay the contract and went pre-pay (like most of Europe) that the company would change their options.

instead of continuing to pay like you do now

:facepalm:

i feel sorry for you guys. you had the cheapest service on the globe pre-iPhone and now you have some of the most expensive entry-level plans (with no competition in the pre-pay market, unfortunately)

From T-mobile Germany's site:

iPhone 4 off-contract: €529.95 ($713.04)
Pre-paid access card (one-time fee): €10 ($13.50)
Daily rate for pre-paid webaccess: €0.99 x 2 years = €722.70 ($972.39)
(capped at 200MB a month)

So that's already: $1698.93.
Calls are €0.15 a minute to land / other mobile networks, €0.05 a minute to T-mobile network
Texts are €0.05 to T-mobile, €0.19 to other networks.

Let's be pretty conservative and say that you make the following daily:
-one on-network 1-minute call (€0.05)
-one off-network 1-minute call (€0.15)
-one off-network text (€0.19)
-one on-network text (€0.05)
So that's another €0.44 a day, for two years:
€321.20 = $432.17

$1698.93 + 432.17 = $2131.10.


Yeah, you should definitely feel sorry for us. For a bit over $100 more than what we're paying, you get the same service. As long as you don't use the phone more than 2 minutes a day, or send more than 2 text messages. Or use more than 200MB of data a month. Oh, and you're front-loading the payment, requiring a large investment up front.

What a deal!

 

[vartanarsen]

From T-mobile Germany's site:

iPhone 4 off-contract: €529.95 ($713.04)
Pre-paid access card (one-time fee): €10 ($13.50)
Daily rate for pre-paid webaccess: €0.99 x 2 years = €722.70 ($972.39)
(capped at 200MB a month)

So that's already: $1698.93.
Calls are €0.15 a minute to land / other mobile networks, €0.05 a minute to T-mobile network
Texts are €0.05 to T-mobile, €0.19 to other networks.

Let's be pretty conservative and say that you make the following daily:
-one on-network 1-minute call (€0.05)
-one off-network 1-minute call (€0.15)
-one off-network text (€0.19)
-one on-network text (€0.05)
So that's another €0.44 a day, for two years:
€321.20 = $432.17

$1698.93 + 432.17 = $2131.10.


Yeah, you should definitely feel sorry for us. For a bit over $100 more than what we're paying, you get the same service. As long as you don't use the phone more than 2 minutes a day, or send more than 2 text messages. Or use more than 200MB of data a month. Oh, and you're front-loading the payment, requiring a large investment up front.

What a deal!

Things..a..changing...
Straight Talk unlimited talk text and data access (soft uwrittent cap of 2 gigs)
$45/mo.
$15 sim card....http://www.straighttalk.com/ShopSims
$649 iPhone 4S

 

[acidfast7]

From T-mobile Germany's site:

iPhone 4 off-contract: €529.95 ($713.04)
Pre-paid access card (one-time fee): €10 ($13.50)
Daily rate for pre-paid webaccess: €0.99 x 2 years = €722.70 ($972.39)
(capped at 200MB a month)

So that's already: $1698.93.
Calls are €0.15 a minute to land / other mobile networks, €0.05 a minute to T-mobile network
Texts are €0.05 to T-mobile, €0.19 to other networks.

Let's be pretty conservative and say that you make the following daily:
-one on-network 1-minute call (€0.05)
-one off-network 1-minute call (€0.15)
-one off-network text (€0.19)
-one on-network text (€0.05)
So that's another €0.44 a day, for two years:
€321.20 = $432.17

$1698.93 + 432.17 = $2131.10.


Yeah, you should definitely feel sorry for us. For a bit over $100 more than what we're paying, you get the same service. As long as you don't use the phone more than 2 minutes a day, or send more than 2 text messages. Or use more than 200MB of data a month. Oh, and you're front-loading the payment, requiring a large investment up front.

What a deal!

LOL

1. don't use 200MB/month (most people I know barely use 5MB)
2. don't talk so much (most people I know use roughly 20min/month)
3. don't SMS so much (most people I know use roughly 10 SMS/month)
4. use the missed call tactic. i'll send you a "missed call" when I arrive
5. also, those prices are REALLY HIGH
6. simyo.de does 0.09€/min off-network (free on-network) and 0.09€/SMS off-network and (free on-network) and 0.13€/MB data

seriously, the average german cell phone is 20€/month even though we pay more than per MB/min/SMS because we have the option of not getting a stupid contract and using what we want when we want

how many "roll-over" minutes do you guys have (good job paying for them!)

edit: added image confirmation (also it's capped at 39€/mo automatically) LOL on you

they actually have a better deal as well for 17€/mo (pic 2)

 

[bpaluzzi]

1. don't use 200MB/month (most people I know barely use 5MB)
2. don't talk so much (most people I know use roughly 20min/month)
3. don't SMS so much (most people I know use roughly 10 SMS/month)
4. use the missed call tactic. i'll send you a "missed call" when I arrive
5. also, those prices are REALLY HIGH
6. simyo.de does 0.09€/min off-network (free on-network) and 0.09€/SMS off-network and (free on-network) and 0.13€/MB data

HAHAHA indeed. What are you using your phone for? Not using any data, not making any calls, not using SMS. That's a lot of money to pay for a paperweight, but hey, if it makes you happy...

And I don't doubt that it's possible to find cheaper prices, just as it's possible to find cheaper prices than the $2000 you quoted for a US contract offer. But don't sit on your high horse and make it seem like things are SOOO much better in pre-pay land.

 

[acidfast7]

HAHAHA indeed. What are you using your phone for? Not using any data, not making any calls, not using SMS. That's a lot of money to pay for a paperweight, but hey, if it makes you happy...

And I don't doubt that it's possible to find cheaper prices, just as it's possible to find cheaper prices than the $2000 you quoted for a US contract offer. But don't sit on your high horse and make it seem like things are SOOO much better in pre-pay land.

they are and I added the options. personally, i think you have no idea what you're talking about. until the last 12-18 months year you couldn't even buy an unlocked iPhone, in the US.

talk about crappy options.

 

[bpaluzzi]

they are and I added the options. personally, i think you have no idea what's you're talking about.

I figured you might, which is why I got actual figures, so you can't dispute them. But nice try!

 

[acidfast7]

HAHAHA indeed. What are you using your phone for? Not using any data, not making any calls, not using SMS. That's a lot of money to pay for a paperweight, but hey, if it makes you happy...

And I don't doubt that it's possible to find cheaper prices, just as it's possible to find cheaper prices than the $2000 you quoted for a US contract offer. But don't sit on your high horse and make it seem like things are SOOO much better in pre-pay land.

you're missing the point again (sigh).

if you didn't have to buy all of the extra crap in the contract, your usage would go way down.

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I figured you might, which is why I got actual figures, so you can't dispute them. But nice try!

i can say that only a moron would get prepaid there (but then again there's a whole country full of people on 2-year contracts as well)

 

[bpaluzzi]

if you didn't have to buy all of the extra crap in the contract, your usage would go way down.

Wow. You are off the deep end, mate. I suppose if I was hamstrung by a crappy pre-pay plan where I couldn't actually USE the phone without getting charged exorbitant rate, me and my friends could also come up with such "inventive" ideas as the "missed-call" game. But hey, I'd like to actually USE the device I carry around with me. Maybe it's just me.

 

[acidfast7]

Wow. You are off the deep end, mate. I suppose if I was hamstrung by a crappy pre-pay plan where I couldn't actually USE the phone without getting charged exorbitant rate, me and my friends could also come up with such "inventive" ideas as the "missed-call" game. But hey, I'd like to actually USE the device I carry around with me. Maybe it's just me.

because your "sunk cost" is almost 2000USD, I hope you use it.

lol

 

[AppleScruff1]

In your example, no. The tech in a Blu-Ray player doesn't change from one year to the next, unless you count firmware, which in that case I don't think is worthy of a price increase.

And in the computer industry the tech usually gets cheaper as time goes on. $500 buys more today than it did 2 years ago. Today's high end tech becomes mainstream tomorrow when the new cutting edge products are released.

 

[xxBURT0Nxx]

LOL

1. don't use 200MB/month (most people I know barely use 5MB)
2. don't talk so much (most people I know use roughly 20min/month)
3. don't SMS so much (most people I know use roughly 10 SMS/month)
4. use the missed call tactic. i'll send you a "missed call" when I arrive
5. also, those prices are REALLY HIGH
6. simyo.de does 0.09€/min off-network (free on-network) and 0.09€/SMS off-network and (free on-network) and 0.13€/MB data

seriously, the average german cell phone is 20€/month even though we pay more than per MB/min/SMS because we have the option of not getting a stupid contract and using what we want when we want

how many "roll-over" minutes do you guys have (good job paying for them!)

edit: added image confirmation (also it's capped at 39€/mo automatically) LOL on you

they actually have a better deal as well for 17€/mo (pic 2)

so you send less than 10 texts, talk for only 20 minutes, and use 5mb of data each month.... why do you even pay for a phone? Might as well use a payphone. And you are calling us dumb for wasting our money. At least we use the device we are paying ~$100 a month for. Maybe prepay would work for you, for anyone who uses their phone more than once a day, it's not feasible.

Seriously, your usage case is not even realistic. NOBODY I know only talks for 20 minutes a month. I talk more than 20 minutes a day on my phone. Use GB of data, not 5mb.

 

[acidfast7]

so you send less than 10 texts, talk for only 20 minutes, and use 5mb of data each month.... why do you even pay for a phone? Might as well use a payphone. And you are calling us dumb for wasting our money. At least we use the device we are paying ~$100 a month for. Maybe prepay would work for you, for anyone who uses their phone more than once a day, it's not feasible.

Seriously, your usage case is not even realistic. NOBODY I know only talks for 20 minutes a month. I talk more than 20 minutes a day on my phone. Use GB of data, not 5mb.

Everybody I just asked, including the 10 students in the lab ALL have prepaid SIMs (no plans) and mostly have Samsung phones. 3 of the 10 have iPhones (bought outright), 6 have Samsung (bought outright) and 2 have BBs (bought outright).

no one was over 100 min/month.

usage pattern is much different when you have options.

i also set up wifi in the research lab, so they can use that instead of their data plan because i'm a nice guy

 

[chameleon]

Totally false statement. Not only have they come close, but they beaten it. The Transformer Primer beats the iPad in just about every spec, including speed, size, display, battery.

Seriously? The ASUS Transformer Primer?

Show of hands: Has anyone ever seen one of these in real life? Not on a store shelf. In the hands of an actual person on the street.

Regardless, you've managed to name one tablet -- that no one actually uses -- that was released nearly two years after the iPad. That's not competition. That's a kid on a street corner selling lemonade compared to the Coca Cola brand. It's the Zune trying to catch the iPod -- releasing a product that matches last year's specs as Apple announces something much better.

Meanwhile, where is HP? Dell? Toshiba? Microsoft? Google? LG? Motorola?

If Apple is really screwing us with the price of the iPad, why aren't we seeing a flood of tablets from these guys with better specs and better prices? Because they can't. The iPad is an amazing combination of tight engineering, incredible supply-chain management, and a robust ecosystem of content and accessories. No other company has demonstrated an ability to match that.

 

[bpaluzzi]

Everybody I just asked, including the 10 students in the lab ALL have prepaid SIMs (no plans) and mostly have Samsung phones. 3 of the 10 have iPhones (bought outright), 6 have Samsung (bought outright) and 2 have BBs (bought outright).

no one was over 100 min/month.

usage pattern is much different when you have options.

i also set up wifi in the research lab, so they can use that instead of their data plan because i'm a nice guy

So the takeaway is:

Prepay can be cheaper if you don't use your phone.

Well, wow. That's pretty enlightening. You're right, that is a much better deal than contract...

 

[xxBURT0Nxx]

Everybody I just asked, including the 10 students in the lab ALL have prepaid SIMs (no plans) and mostly have Samsung phones. 3 of the 10 have iPhones (bought outright), 6 have Samsung (bought outright) and 2 have BBs (bought outright).

no one was over 100 min/month.

usage pattern is much different when you have options.

i also set up wifi in the research lab, so they can use that instead of their data plan because i'm a nice guy

cool bro, you are in ONE classroom, in ONE area, of ONE country that sells the iPhone. Stop trying to comment like you know how people use their phones in other parts of the world, because like I said, your use case is completely unrealistic. I couldn't find one person I know who uses a phone for 20 min /month because if they used a phone that sparingly, they wouldn't even own one. You are telling us we waste money because we signed a two year contract... how about the money YOU waste paying for a phone you don't even use every day?

Not to mention, we don't have the same types of pre-paid plans here that you do, so it's not feasible for us to buy a $700 phone so that we can pay $50 for 500 minutes.

Get over yourself... you are way off base here.

And I'm also curious, since you're so against "wasting" money, and all for the savings... why did you buy an iPhone? For someone who uses 20 min and 10 texts a month I'm sure a $19.99 dumb phone would serve your purpose just fine.

I'm pretty sure paying $700 for a phone you don't use every day is a MUCH DUMBER investment than signing a 2 year contract for a device that you use multiple times an hour.

 

[acidfast7]

we can pay $50 for 500 minutes.

That's like a year of usage.

 

[bpaluzzi]

That's like a year of usage.

Unless you have friends or a job.