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Upcoming EU Sideloading Bill Would 'Cripple the Privacy and Security Protections' iPhone Users Expect, Says Apple
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About the same as stupid commentaries, apparently.
Given it is the UK,
Where have you experienced “Goes to McDonald's only to find EU has made them make space in their parking lot for a stand that sells KFC.”?
OK - I think your sarcasm detector is a little rusty.
In any case, people vote with their wallets, and many people have chosen Apple specifically because the app store is curated (up to a point) and that companies selling apps must go through a vetting process. Side-loading endangers that if companies abandon the app store. If the EU actually wanted to enhance the user experience, they would make Apple provide guarantees about the security and safety of apps in the app store.
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Haha, no this law uses a minimum amount of users over 3 years active in 3 or more EU states, And revenue as the minimum threshold. There is no loophole to use.
It’s not based on market share, or definition manufacturers use or profitability.
I’m not sure I understand if you’re agreeing with me or not, or if you understood my argument, or if I’m just not smart enough to parse what you’re saying.
It seems like an interesting point you’re making, I just can’t understand it. Little help please?
Correct. that’s exactly the argument: it doesn’t seem like a good direction the EU is going, where the government can control and monitor your personal devices… and/or unknowingly create very insecure personal devices.
But disallowing core apps sideloading and disallowing full device access is an interesting solution!
? How come all of these Apple services work on my Mac then and I can sideload? Hilarious
That argument could also be made for Android though. In fact, Android, by far, has a majority marketshare around the world. It's primarily in the US that iOS has become dominant.
Oh just let me have my slippery slope panic, will you? ?
Yes, of course there’s worse things to worry about than side loading, it’s just a worrisome development in the wrong direction, IMHO.
Apple in my opinion are doing what many other big companies do, they do not want to implement security checking because it will cost them money. Google (youtube) and Meta (formly facebook) put up and still put up heavy resistance to having to moderate their platforms. Ebay was another one to put up strong resistance as well. They all want to take the easy road.
Apple is slightly different here because they want to control the iphone, regardless of the fact that an iphone is bought and owned by the customer, Apple still insist that they be the ones to control what is done with it. Apple complain of security risks if sideloading went ahead. Simple, there are already iphone emulators out there. Design one that has secuirty controls built into it and get the many thousands of app store reviewers to run any new app through the emulator. If it flags up as a secuirty risk then dump it. It is something Apple can implement but they wont because it will cost them money so what easier way than to say 'but think of secuirty' as a way to avoid having to implement security checks.
Apple is slightly different here because they want to control the iphone, regardless of the fact that an iphone is bought and owned by the customer, Apple still insist that they be the ones to control what is done with it. Apple complain of security risks if sideloading went ahead. Simple, there are already iphone emulators out there. Design one that has secuirty controls built into it and get the many thousands of app store reviewers to run any new app through the emulator. If it flags up as a secuirty risk then dump it. It is something Apple can implement but they wont because it will cost them money so what easier way than to say 'but think of secuirty' as a way to avoid having to implement security checks.
Why? I could see it eventually heading that direction but these types of equipment are in a whole different use ballpark.
Once again ... why is this an issue?My employer already has a separate corporate iOS/iPadOS store I get my work apps from. To quote a previous post of mine "The goofy stuff some folks come up with forgetting if this was factual Android would be in this boat already."
@jiminycricket - the same can be said for your concerns. Not seeing this on Android. Why would it be an iOS only issue?
So true. The rhetoric by Apple is on the level of "won't someone think of the children!".
Incorrect. Apple does not want to destroy the iOS ecosystem.
No you can do what you want with the iPhone. Apple is not obligated to help you. It’s like buying a Honda Civic and having the government mandate that any other car manufacturers engine should fit in a civic.
Yup. It’s easy to fix because an anonymous Internet poster said so.
Your corporate store is regulated. Sideloading, alternative app stores are unregulated as the Wild West were.
I'm a professional mobile application developer for a living. Trust me, Apple's tools are quite a bit more painful in terms of getting applications onto an actual device during development. There are a lot of hoops to jump through and it's caused problems at my company on more than one occasion.
Unless of course such an obligation is established in law, which is what the EU is trying to do in this case.
I’m not sure I understand if you’re agreeing with me or not, or if you understood my argument, or if I’m just not smart enough to parse what you’re saying.
It seems like an interesting point you’re making, I just can’t understand it. Little help please?
Let's say a government I really really wants to be able to read your abs everyone else's messages, but end-to-end encrypted messengers make this really difficult, or stop you from using an app to organise protests or whatever.
If your only path to get software is through your country's official App Store, that's likely almost every iOS user, it becomes the single point of failure. Let's say this government makes it an offence to distribute e2ee messengers, Apple could not put them on the App Store and you wouldn't be able to use them.
Alternatively, you could mandate that every software has to include certain official ways to access information and Apple, as the official gatekeeper of the App Store, could be made responsible to only make software available on its platform that meets all these requirements.
Game over basically, really clunky web-based solutions notwithstanding probably.
An Android user, or even you on a Mac, might still be able to download and install from elsewhere.
How likely any of this is I don't know, probably more in some jurisdictions than others, but in this sense tgd App Store really is the choke point.
I found it fairly straightforward to put apps onto actual devices. The most complex hoop was the tax paperwork for apple.
Sure, but just in general there may be things that you want to do on the iPhone that you are in your own on.
I am always VERY NERVOUS downloading tools on my computers. Need to make sure the place I get DDU or FFMPEG is the correct one for example.