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Upcoming EU Sideloading Bill Would 'Cripple the Privacy and Security Protections' iPhone Users Expect, Says Apple
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I numbered your points for easier response
1. Android is a far more varied landscape and far bigger. You do hear it but Google has really cleaned things up over the past few years. A better comparison is look at US Android vs US iOS and scale for size.
2. Androad gives all kinds of data to Google which Google then markets based on user input. Apple does the same thing however Apple is the primary market target. On the Android side you also have OEMs. Nice part on Android you can if you take the time to significantly reduce the data Google gets. On iOS you do not have that option.
3. Chuckle. Governments monitor everything they can and even buy it from other Governments. OS is immaterial. I am sure they would love (at least here in the US and EU) to have functionality to do this built into your device.
4. Not sure if that is good or bad. I used to mostly believe the Apple claims until the CSAM topic came up and took a deep dive into just how private Apple really is. Turns out it was more of a marketing ploy than factual privacy. Sadly. On a personal note, I took the time to reduce Google‘s footprint on my 1+ 9Pro (Android 11) and have it comparable to iOS (my 13 ProMax) in terms of privacy. Maybe even a bit better. Still leaves me in the same spot on Apple - I no longer put any faith in their “we have your privacy paramount” claims.
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Being able to pay with your phone doesn't make it a computing device. I can print a QR code and use it to pay at Walmart. Is my sheet of paper a computing device?
If you have to supply a BYOD and it's as easy as launching a web browser with no Citrix VPNs, then they'd never know.
You also wouldn't be able to use a phone, by that same token...
And it's also why they give you a laptop...
The government of any jurisdiction has the right to create whatever rules it likes, according to limitations such as the constitution.
So what happens when your country makes laws forcing sideloading for iOS, and Apple pulls out of your market? You fine with that?
Thanks for the response. ✌️ Android may have improved but it still isn’t a business model I support.I numbered your points for easier response
1. Android is a far more varied landscape and far bigger. You do hear it but Google has really cleaned things up over the past few years. A better comparison is look at US Android vs US iOS and scale for size.
2. Androad gives all kinds of data to Google which Google then markets based on user input. Apple does the same thing however Apple is the primary market target. On the Android side you also have OEMs. Nice part on Android you can if you take the time to significantly reduce the data Google gets. On iOS you do not have that option.
3. Chuckle. Governments monitor everything they can and even buy it from other Governments. OS is immaterial. I am sure they would love (at least here in the US and EU) to have functionality to do this built into your device.
4. Not sure if that is good or bad. I used to mostly believe the Apple claims until the CSAM topic came up and took a deep dive into just how private Apple really is. Turns out it was more of a marketing ploy than factual privacy. Sadly. On a personal note, I took the time to reduce Google‘s footprint on my 1+ 9Pro (Android 11) and have it comparable to iOS (my 13 ProMax) in terms of privacy. Maybe even a bit better. Still leaves me in the same spot on Apple - I no longer put any faith in their “we have your privacy paramount” claims.
And the thought of governments having easier access to our personal data and info is scary.
Apple did lose credibility when CSAM was revealed, but they DID tuck tail and run when privacy warriors expressed their concerns. So points for Apple!
Again thanks for the response! It’s good food for thought.
Sorry, maybe someone else’s job. Wonder what that would look like?
I work in a very heavily regulated industry. So no, that wouldn’t work.
As for a phone, not true. Yes it is why they gave me a laptop and MDM my work phone (Or have a work provided phone as an option).
Let’s just say that using a game console as your primary work device would be a stretch for most jobs.
they might as well install android on iPhones according to your logic.
I used to side with Apple, that was, until they pulled my "Timmy" iPhone Unit Sales Estimator App from their App Store, & gave me a total BS reason for doing so !
When Sideloading in the EU goes live, I will make sure Timmy is available day one !
When Sideloading in the EU goes live, I will make sure Timmy is available day one !
They're already compromised if they believe the legitimate looking website. No need to create an app to harvest passwords - in fact more likely to raise suspicion.
Look at what MacOS does - "do you want to allow downloads?" then "do you want to run this app you downloaded from ...?". Additionally, the app signing requirements would still be present and could be displayed on first run like happens elsewhere. Do you want to run "Bank of America App" from "Vladislav Khorokhorin, Havana, Cuba"?
There's a lot more that could be done if Apple really cared about security and this wasn't just about their business model. There are even things they could do to clear out scummy apps from the App Store - but they don't. Scam apps that charge people yet do nothing are already alive and well in Apple's curated store. Just search a bit and you'll find stories of this as recent as this year.
I am one of those guys who is holding out because of Apple's walled garden approach. I have an M1 mac and Airpods Pro, which I bought after a lot of deliberation, but have held off on other purchases such as the iPhone and iPad. Once they open up and Apple really comes to term with the fact that they cannot control my App availability and purchase and changes the OS to suit the new reality, I think I will start buying iPhones and iPads.
Yay another piece of fantastic regulation from the people who brought us the cookie warning pop ups.
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Ah we have to check regularly.
I last visited your site 10 minutes ago….
I really with the EU would stay out of things their legislators have got no clue about.
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Ah we have to check regularly.
I last visited your site 10 minutes ago….
I really with the EU would stay out of things their legislators have got no clue about.
I'd be fine with Apple's decision, not with my country's. Though it's unlikely in the US.
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Respectfully, you're being very pedantic here, and it's confusing people. Are you only trying to say that Xboxes are general-purpose computers, or that Xboxes should be subject to the sideloading rules?
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Does your sheet of paper compute anything when paying at the till? No.
Does the iPhone cryptographically compute its response to the payment terminal? Yes.
So yes, your iPhone is a computing device, as is your EMV (Chip&PIN) enabled payment card. Not your piece of paper though. Does that alone make any of these a core platform service covered by the EU DMA proposal? Probably not.
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I feel the pain as an ex-iPhone-dev. While I believe Apple has the right to run their store the way they want, I'm no longer interested in doing business with them. Too much arrogance to deal with. Also, their toolchain sucks.
Oh, so my Visa is a computing device now. Then I better sue Visa, Mastercard, AmEx and all the banks that issue them for credit and debit for not allowing me to use Word on them.
You keep throwing these arbitrary things out that do not make a computing device. All lead to one simple fact -- A video game console is a general purpose computing device and have been for decades.
Video game systems are general purpose computing devices. And you're stepping on a slippery slope by trying to state that iPhones are too -- and you're also negating centuries of copyright law to even suggest that a company can have a monopoly on its own product, which it cannot.
There’s a difference between preventing you to do something and the hardware just being incompatible.
Gatekeepers are defined in the DMA
Yep, and I believe the eu is going to get exactly what it deserves… companies are not going to be bringing their A game to the EU.
If one company doesn't bring their A game, then another company will bring their A game to take the market. Of all the companies that might be covered by this, perhaps 30 something companies, apple is the only one who complains like this.
Would be surprised if the majority of apple customers are not on apple's side. We absolutely need a Poll to find out