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Upcoming EU Sideloading Bill Would 'Cripple the Privacy and Security Protections' iPhone Users Expect, Says Apple

As I understand it, gaming platforms may not be covered by the proposal for failing to cover

- failing to cover at least 10,000 active business users selling through the platform (there aren't as many developers per platform, are there?)
- not having 45 million monthly active end users established or located in the Union (seems a stretch even for Sony, when they're selling only around around 5 million units a year).

https://www.bruegel.org/2021/12/whi...e-digital-markets-act-the-gatekeeper-dilemma/
 
DanTheMan827 said:
Sure, because someone will give up iMessage, Apple Pay, and all of the other iOS exclusive features in addition to having to re-purchase who knows how many apps just to get sideloading...

"Just switch to Android" isn't a realistic option, and it's a tired argument.
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So is the argument to “just open up iPhone already”
 
ArkSingularity said:
That argument could also be made for Android though. In fact, Android, by far, has a majority marketshare around the world. It's primarily in the US that iOS has become dominant.
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Agreed, which is why the EU calling Apple's app store an uncompetitive practice would make little sense to me.
 
I7guy said:
Seems like they drew the line in the sand very carefully to include only the largest tech companies.
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So they aren't calling out Apple specifically, but a broad spectrum where the largest tech companies dominate.

They aren't calling out Apple specifically.
 
Sophisticatednut said:
Principles. And the rights people should have.

Not at all
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I'm fairly sure we are not reading the same document. But, just so you understand where I"m coming from reading this. They want Apple to allow 3rd party stores and side loading AND support it. At least to a reasonable extent. So you know, protect it and users and itself alike. Don't prevent it from working either.

And this somehow provides us (the people) something more than we currently have today. And of course lower prices. While also allowing those broke developers to finally make some money. And new innovative stuff for us (the people) to play with.

All of which, I don't believe.
 
Sophisticatednut said:
If one company doesn't bring their A game, then another company will bring their A game to take the market.
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Wait! Not by the looks of those rules. Why should any company want to get too successful here? Here being anywhere in the EU. Taking the market is not proving to be a good idea long term. And you simply don't know when you have become too dominant to preempt that. Your going along, selling your wares and then BAM, New Rules!
Sophisticatednut said:
Of all the companies that might be covered by this, perhaps 30 something companies, apple is the only one who complains like this.
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Mainly because they are being targeted by this. Just not by name I guess.
Sophisticatednut said:
Would be surprised if the majority of apple customers are not on apple's side. We absolutely need a Poll to find out
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I think the EU needs to take a poll of this.
 
djphat2000 said:
The EU, they make it up as they go along.
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I still don't understand what you mean.

Is it not the role of a legislative body to make rules? Or are you saying that the content of the DMA has changed between its workflow?

The EU isn't like the US, where most changes happen in favour of large businesses.
 
I am thinking from the perspective of national security, it may actually be in the US’s interest to not reign in the tech giants. Looking at how a small number of US companies have basically been able to cripple Russia simply by withholding their services (between them, you basically have Microsoft, Apple, Google accounting for almost all the PCs and smartphones in the world, Mastercard and Visa making payments impossible, facebook, twitter and Google controlling the web, communications via WhatsApp, amongst others).

This would actually give the US more leverage if they knew how to fully make use of this. Which also explains why the EU wants to rein them in, because what’s good for one country (and its users) may be necessarily be good for another party.
 
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Abazigal said:
This would actually give the US more leverage if they knew how to fully make use of this. Which also explains why the EU wants to rein them in, because what’s good for one country (and its users) may be necessarily be good for another party.
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Well yes. A large part of the reason the EU wants to reign in Big Tech is because it doesn't like the amount of power US companies have in the EU. You can bet that if Apple was European, they'd be having a very different conversation (well, if Apple were European they probably wouldn't exist, but never mind that). That's not to say the EU can't have other, genuinely competitive issues with Big Tech, but bias against American companies is a huge part of it.
 
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huge_apple_fangirl said:
Well yes. A large part of the reason the EU wants to reign in Big Tech is because it doesn't like the amount of power US companies have in the EU. You can bet that if Apple was European, they'd be having a very different conversation (well, if Apple were European they probably wouldn't exist, but never mind that). That's not to say the EU can't have other, genuinely competitive issues with Big Tech, but bias against American companies is a huge part of it.
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Apple is based in Jersey (the Channel Island of Jersey in Europe). I am sure this has nothing to do with dodging taxes. [/sarcasm] Mind you, since the UK is out of the EU, the EU might look on Jersey as an outsider as much as the US, particularity after UK-France fishing disputes.
 
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VulchR said:
Apple is based in Jersey (the Channel Island of Jersey in Europe). I am sure this has nothing to do with dodging taxes. [/sarcasm] Mind you, since the UK is out of the EU, the EU might look on Jersey as an outsider as much as the US, particularity after UK-France fishing disputes.
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Dodging taxes is illegal. /s
 
bsolar said:
The constitution itself is ultimately nothing more than a set of rules established by a given country. Constitutions can, have and will be modified by whatever process a given country has in place to enact such amendments.
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@Macative I see you disagree with my statements above, but I'm unsure what is the basis of your disagreement since what I stated are pretty much verifiable facts.

Taking the Constitution of the United States as example, it's clearly a set of rules and it's clearly been established by the country in question. After its ratification it was amended 27 times, so it clearly can be modified.
 
bsolar said:
@Macative I see you disagree with my statements above, but I'm unsure what is the basis of your disagreement since what I stated are pretty much verifiable facts.

Taking the Constitution of the United States as example, it's clearly a set of rules and it's clearly been established by the country in question. After its ratification it was amended 27 times, so it clearly can be modified.
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27 times in 234 years. In other words, not something we take lightly. I don't like engaging in these conversations where people will ignore all manner of obvious, common sense to make themselves seem right.

The government DOES NOT have the power to create any laws it wants. Period. Some it can (A). Some it absolutely positively cannot (B). This is not up for debate or semantical interpretation.

This stems from the accusation on my part, that these are absurd overreaches of power by the E.U. Such understandings by people are the difference between A and B.
 
djphat2000 said:
The EU, they make it up as they go along.
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Lawmakers and governments make new laws all the time.
Many of these are only made in reaction to undesirable conditions.
They see something they don't like - and they'll draft a new law as a responden.
Although they often are not very quick to respond and act on it.

Making up laws up after the fact is by no means a prerogative of the EU.
 
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