Apple isn’t manufacturing this phone with in-display touchid. Will be on the flagships before the budget models.
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Upcoming Low-Cost iPhone Again Rumored to Be Priced at $399
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Or, people don’t buy small iPhones because none are available. Claiming market forces is like saying people want Apple’s new keyboard design because for the past few years that’s the only type they have purchased.
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Weird. I wonder why Apple is moving towards phones designed for iPadOS if iOS is in higher demand.
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I bet if they made a 4” iPhone the only option these XL MaX+ customers would buy it because it’s the only option with iOS. Then we could say, see!, people prefer smaller phones again.
There was a time when smaller hardware told you it was the latest technology.
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Ok admit it...you just want to hear Eddy/Phil say it on stage. Lol Better yet how about SE X Pro lol
Hard to say if they will keep the XR another year at that price point as Apple may want to reserve FaceID for $599+ for now. I could see it going either way, but otherwise that lineup looks about right to me (with regular 12s getting 4 GB of RAM and the 12 Pros getting 6 GB of RAM).
Aaaand, you'll get one Android update about a year after it is released, and a SOC comparable to a 5 year old iPhone. Enjoy!
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Unlikely - Apple is making a lot off their Airpods and Beats lineup and they would like that to continue.
Genuine question, why does it matter that a phone has a headphone jack? Using a dongle is easy enough, and wireless headphones undeniably provide more comfort when you're on the go.
The only scenario I can imagine this is an issue is if you want to charge your phone and listen to music. To me though, this is a non issue since playing music drains so little battery that I can just charge my phone for 10 minutes and listen to music for 3+ hours out of that charge.
Two primary use cases:
1. Using the phone in the car - I have an older car without bluetooth (but with an aux input) and I plug in my 6S for GPS and music/podcasts while driving. There are NO high quality adapters on the market that provide 3.5mm input and charging. The Belkin one is low quality (see all the reviews about it breaking after some number of months), and the only alternatives are even worse quality. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong and there's a high quality adapter out there.
2. I have tons of wired headphones that sound better than airpods and don't need to be charged and I don't want to have to find a dongle to use them. I guess I can fork out the $9 per pair of headphones to buy a dongle each and semi-permanently attach it to the headphones but that's something else that could fail, get lost, etc.
Losing the headphone jack is the primary thing that keeps me from enthusiastically waiting for the SE2/9 announcement.
Edit: forgot to mention, the DAC in the third-party adapters that I have tried have terrible sound quality. The DAC in my 6S is great.
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Yeah, I think $599 is the floor for a FaceID model. I don’t see much possibility of the XR staying around. I don’t think the Pros necessarily get 128GB base storage either, could be a 2021 thing.
I doubt Apple could sell more than a few million 4” iPhones at $700+. The iPhone “SE2” is projected at 20-30 million first year sales.
You might think 3.5-4.0” is reasonably sized, but it’s small in today’s marketplace. Most people want a larger phone than that. I don’t see how flagship tech fits in a 4” iPhone in any case.
Thanks for the reply! The car situation absolutely makes sense, however I sort of disagree about your second point. AFAIK, the dongle Apple makes is actually as good, if not better quality than the onboard DAC of previous iPhones. Here's a good reddit post where people discuss this: www.reddit.com/r/headphones/comments/bauipn/iphone_dongle_audio_quality/
And in addition, even if the audio quality is worse — is the difference that apparent when listening to music during transit etc? That is my primary use case with headphones + iPhone. If I'm at home, I'm not going to use my headphones to stream Spotify on my iPhone, I'll connect my headphones to my MacBook and listen to lossless files stored on it...
Yep, you could certainly be right about Pros getting 64 GB base storage. That's actually enough for most people if they don't keep a large music collection or a bunch of photos/videos on their phone.
What’s the betting this affordable price signals the return of 16gb storage for the base models?
$399 seems to reasonable for Apple. One thing is for sure, they’ll find a way to cripple it for that price. Hope I’m wrong.
$399 seems to reasonable for Apple. One thing is for sure, they’ll find a way to cripple it for that price. Hope I’m wrong.
It's the same price the iPhone SE started at, and they haven't done 16GB in years now... I think they want a slice of the mid-range market. I imagine more people would buy a $399 iPhone than a $250 Huawei, Xiaomi, ... The phone market has changed over the years and Apple probably needs to have a new lower-end option for customers.
I could see them putting 32 GB base storage at the $399 price point (which would match pricing & storage of the "refreshed" SE), but I don't see 16 GB returning to iPhones or iPads...
I don’t need low price, but I want a small form factor. I like the size of the 5.
You say "only" as if that matters to the people buying the cheapest iPhone available.
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6S & 7 and a iPhone 11 in my house, and yes I will.
Price under £500
Fingerprint scanner (not a big fan of the Face ID)
smaller phone the 11 for me is just not right, so went back to my 7
You’re wrong 🙂 The 8 that the new “SE2” will replace is 64GB, and it sells for $449. I could see 32GB this year bumping to 64 next year, like they did with the first SE.
But imo there’s zero chance of a 16GB iPhone anymore, just as there’s no chance of a 4” display.
Parts bin phone. Budget or not, it's a 6 year old industrial design that should be retired already. Make something new, Tim, that doesn't necessarily have to be a wallet-breaking flagship, for the love of Steve.