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A quick—and honest—question: what on earth is the benefit of moving the power button to the position where the Esc key has occupied since the dawn of the PC keyboard?

(after not reading the 200+ posts between yours and this one...)
With all of the battery/charging posts, having the power button where the escape button has been since 1983 would have people powering it down often, which will save the power!
 
You do realize that your "preferred" products are made in factories likely with even less-ideal conditions. The only reason that Apple is in the spotlight is because of the tremendous volume that they move through factories, nothing more.

How many of your products were made "in the west", as you put it? Hmmm?

I am well aware of that, HOWEVER, it is BECAUSE of the huge mfr'ing throughput they demand from these factories, that they should be taking more action and setting a good example. Apple are - after all - one of, if not THE highest profile company in tech, right now, and also the one company who are continually boasting about HOW ethical they are. Yes, other companies have goods made at the same or similar places, but I am not talking about them - Apple are placing HUGE loads on FoxConn/Pegatron etc, and they make obscene profit margins in comparison to what the workers are pay AND endure, physically and emotionally.

IF... IF Apple are genuinely concerned about the well being of Chinese workers, they HAVE the clout to do something about it, and they could EASILY move mfr'ing back to the USA - yes, losing a bit of profit, but they make SO MUCH, it's time they made less and ACTIVELY ensured that people who stuff their fat pockets full of dollars, are treated with the proper respect due to them.

Passively allowing harmful things to happen to people, when it is WELL within your power AND budget to change manufacturing location, is as bad as if you were enforcing these condtions yourself. Doing nothing about it and waving your hands in the air in a "Well, it's not us doing it" manner is absolute BOLLOCKS, and yet again - YES, I know other companies make things there too, but Apple are the ones bragging about how ethical they are, to which I also say... bollocks - put your hundreds of billions where your lip-servicing corporate spin-merchant mouths are.
 
(after not reading the 200+ posts between yours and this one...)
With all of the battery/charging posts, having the power button where the escape button has been since 1983 would have people powering it down often, which will save the power!

Your reply is facetious at best, unhelpful at worst.

It's a stupid place to put a key in a location where years of muscle memory have taught us that a set key is to be expected at that location. It's like arbitrarily moving the steering wheel onto the floor of your car, for no useful reason.
 
The lack of ports will really hold back a lot of people who would buy otherwise. If this had an SD card slot, mag-safe, 2 usb ports, and 1 thunderbolt, I'd be there day 1 and selling my rMBP.

If the renders are accurate, I'll stick with my rMBP.

Perhaps the various upgrade tiers will offer port options this time around? Probably just wishful thinking though.
 
Yet another unserviceable Apple appliance device, designed to be used then recycled. Wonderful.

Now THIS is a PROPER laptop, designed to last, and not to be stroked and stared at, longingly - that's reserved for nature and for your wife.

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I'll take one of your poncy aluminium slivers, put it inside that, and SLAM the lid on it, and we'll see which comes out worse off :D
 
I am well aware of that, HOWEVER, it is BECAUSE of the huge mfr'ing throughput they demand from these factories, that they should be taking more action. Apple are - after all - one of, if not THE highest profile company in tech, right now, and also the one company who are continually boasting about HOW ethical they are. Yes, other companies have goods made at the same or similar places, but I am not talking about them - Apple are placing HUGE loads on FoxConn/Pegatron etc, and they make obscene profit margins in comparison to what the workers are pay AND endure, physically and emotionally.

IF... IF Apple are genuinely concerned about the well being of Chinese workers, they HAVE the clout to do something about it, and they could EASILY move mfr'ing back to the USA - yes, losing a bit of profit, but they make SO MUCH, it's time they made less and ACTIVELY ensured that people who stuff their fat pockets full of dollars, are treated with the proper respect due to them.

Passively allowing harmful things to happen to people, when it is WELL within your power AND budget to change manufacturing location, is as bad as if you were enforcing these condtions yourself. Doing nothing about it and waving your hands in the air in a "Well, it's not us doing it" manner is absolute BOLLOCKS, and yet again - YES, I know other companies make things there too, but Apple are the ones bragging about how ethical they are, to which I also say... bollocks - put your hundreds of billions where your lip-servicing corporate spin-merchant mouths are.

Your points aren't valid because Apple IS being more responsible than the other companies.
 
Your points aren't valid because Apple IS being more responsible than the other companies.

Your counterpoint has insufficient hard evidence to validate it. Panorama had PLENTY of proof to show how FoxConn workers ARE suffering.

Lip service. Noone can prove Apple are backing up their spiel.
 
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I'll be very upset if the MBA goes the "no ports" route. I'm a web designer / developer so I'm either working in code or with low res Photoshop files (I don't do any print or video work). So for me, an 11" MacBook Air + Dual 27" TB monitors + Keyboard / Mouse is a kick ass setup. I have more than enough computing power for my needs in a package that's not much bigger or heavier to carry around than an iPad!!! Such a joy.

I'd hate to have to lug around a MacBook Pro. That machine is WAY more machine than I need... not to mention more expensive and a lot heavier. I hope this rumour turns out to be false or maybe Apple has some magical wireless tech to connect everything (keyboard, mouse, time machine, dual TB monitors, power supply). Of course that would mean having to buy all new peripherals or some crazy powered hub of some kind.

I feel like Apple is starting to lose it. A watch? A gigantic iPad? A phone that you can't use (or even hold comfortably) in one hand. And software that's going downhill too. I've been an Apple fanatic since 1994 (the Michael Spindler days)... my first Mac had a screen res of 640 x 480 and a whopping 8MB of RAM (that's MB... not GB)... but I'm starting to feel a little concerned.
 
The lack of ports will really hold back a lot of people who would buy otherwise. If this had an SD card slot, mag-safe, 2 usb ports, and 1 thunderbolt, I'd be there day 1 and selling my rMBP.

I agree people need to connect other devices to their MBA. The advantage of the Air is that is so light to travel with. I don't want to be carrying a hub as well as an external drive. Do you need an external drive? Yes or you Time Machine back to your own hard disk. Plus the extra files I carry. External USB drives are so small and thin now they are easy to carry and store. No I am not going to take an Airport Time Capsule with me either.
 
I'll be very upset if the MBA goes the "no ports" route. I'm a web designer / developer so I'm either working in code or with low res Photoshop files (I don't do any print or video work). So for me, an 11" MacBook Air + Dual 27" TB monitors + Keyboard / Mouse is a kick ass setup. I have more than enough computing power for my needs in a package that's not much bigger or heavier to carry around than an iPad!!! Such a joy.

I'd hate to have to lug around a MacBook Pro. That machine is WAY more machine than I need... not to mention more expensive and a lot heavier. I hope this rumour turns out to be false or maybe Apple has some magical wireless tech to connect everything (keyboard, mouse, time machine, dual TB monitors, power supply). Of course that would mean having to buy all new peripherals. Erg.

I feel like Apple is starting to lose it. A watch? A gigantic iPad? A phone that you can't use (or even hold comfortably) in one hand. And software that's going downhill too. I've been an Apple fanatic since 1994... my first Mac has a screen res of 640 x 480 and a whopping 8MB of RAM (that's MB... not GB)... but I'm starting to feel a little concerned.

You designed part of the web? Which part of this is yours?

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:D


You could "develop the web" on a Pentium 4 laptop, btw.


I once "developed" the web - I created an HREF tag. Does that count? :p
 
Apple's projected "truth":



I'll use Apple products when they wake up to what their passive inaction is perpetuating, and move manufacturing back to the west. Ah, wait - no I won't - I'm more than happy with my £35 Lenovo Core 2 Duo PC, Moto G and my Tesco Hudl tablet, and with lots of change in my pocket.

So, the fact that you're here posting hate messages on a Apple FAN site shows what kind of person you are. Trolling comes to mind.

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So, the fact that you're here posting hate messages on a Apple FAN site shows what kind of person you are. Trolling comes to mind.

Did you get fired by Apple or something?
 
I am well aware of that, HOWEVER, it is BECAUSE of the huge mfr'ing throughput they demand from these factories, that they should be taking more action and setting a good example. Apple are - after all - one of, if not THE highest profile company in tech, right now, and also the one company who are continually boasting about HOW ethical they are. Yes, other companies have goods made at the same or similar places, but I am not talking about them - Apple are placing HUGE loads on FoxConn/Pegatron etc, and they make obscene profit margins in comparison to what the workers are pay AND endure, physically and emotionally.

IF... IF Apple are genuinely concerned about the well being of Chinese workers, they HAVE the clout to do something about it, and they could EASILY move mfr'ing back to the USA - yes, losing a bit of profit, but they make SO MUCH, it's time they made less and ACTIVELY ensured that people who stuff their fat pockets full of dollars, are treated with the proper respect due to them.

Passively allowing harmful things to happen to people, when it is WELL within your power AND budget to change manufacturing location, is as bad as if you were enforcing these condtions yourself. Doing nothing about it and waving your hands in the air in a "Well, it's not us doing it" manner is absolute BOLLOCKS, and yet again - YES, I know other companies make things there too, but Apple are the ones bragging about how ethical they are, to which I also say... bollocks - put your hundreds of billions where your lip-servicing corporate spin-merchant mouths are.

You must be very young and have never been a business owner or in a leading corporate capacity.

The idealism you wish to see is a naive assumption and not even close to the reality of how a business works.

You should switch viewpoints and look at the other side of the coin, i.e as if you owned a business.

1)You have NO idea of Apples profit margins or cost structures and obscene profits are generic at best. What you consider obscene others may think of as good or excellent margins.
2)They are not BOASTING , but are publishing their accomplishments or what they do in the various areas of fair labor, environment etc.
That is called PR and if one does something, one should be allowed to mention it, especially if it is something positive.
3)Apple does not control what workers are paid. It would destroy prevailing labor rates in China , if FoxConn workers were paid way more than people in other jobs. Plus, typical western consumers do not support higher prices , just so somebody in China makes more per hour.
4)The constant call for manufacturing in the USA is usually an uneducated wish.
There are not enough people in America to produce the quantities Apple has produced. The amount of engineers alone is not available in the US, due to a subpar education system.
Read some information about Steve Jobs discussion with Obama about American jobs and production.
Add the tax structures, environmental hurdles and the real estate to build large factories and you will see why America doesn't have many factories like FoxConn
Due to the raw material location (precious metals etc. and other factors, whatever one would do makes iPhones etc. more expensive.
5) You claim that Apple does nothing about it is also false. Since they are a high profile company which doesn't need bad press, they address Fair Labor issues etc., however what can one do when everything is made to look perfect during audits and once the auditor leaves things go back to "normal".
Enforcing Fair Labor standard is a permanent struggle.
6)It is very common for people from other cultures wanting to impose WESTERN
CIVILISATION standards onto other nations. Unfortunately that will just leave people frustrated.
For starters the Far East still struggles with overpopulation and that will continue, despite all efforts , imposing limits etc. People like sex and thus there will always be plenty of children amongst those not using condoms etc.

I could go on and on, but I recommend you start educating yourself about how business works.

The main reason is making money and as much of it as possible.

As for Apple, you have absolutely no knowledge of how much they do, how they negotiate with Fox/Conn when the human issues come up.

You also will have to learn that factory work on assembly lines is extremely tiring and boring, but workers are needed to do assemble products.
Using robots for entire lines would actually leave all these Chinese workers without a job.

Again, in summary, please read up on things and take of the rose colored glasses and dream of a perfect world

Maybe some research into under which conditions the products you use are made will open your eyes.
 
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Your counterpoint has insufficient hard evidence to validate it. Panorama had PLENTY of proof to show how FoxConn workers ARE suffering.

Lip service. Noone can prove Apple are backing up their spiel.

I'm not going to waste my time with a troll, so go do your own search.
 
So, the fact that you're here posting hate messages on a Apple FAN site shows what kind of person you are. Trolling comes to mind.

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Did you get fired by Apple or something?

"Trolling"? Nope, just trying to pull a few folks back to earth. Yes, a few passionate comments on an anon web forum gives a total stranger a complete, historical and accurate overall representation of me as a person, knowing every possible aspect of me and my life, experiences, etc? Lol... okay yyyy then.
 
When I bought my primary computer in 2011, the SD card slot on the 13" MacBook Air swung me away from the 11" MacBook Air. (The latter's size was SO nice!) I use its SD card slot and one USB port for my external mouse daily. Dongles? I remember them with a shudder since they always proved touchy. On the other hand, a 12" MacBook Air retina screen in a smaller case could tempt me if presented with more than one port. I would also prefer a larger battery and upgradeable RAM but figure that's not realistic. Hurrah for Dr. Who!!
 
You must be very young and have never been a business owner or in a leading corporate capacity.

The idealism you wish to see is a naive assumption and not even close to the reality of how a business works.

You should switch viewpoints and look at the other side of the coin, i.e as if you owned a business.

1)You have NO idea of Apples profit margins or cost structures and obscene profits are generic at best. What you consider obscene other may think of as excellent margins.
2)They are not BOASTING , but are publishing their accomplishments or what they do in the various areas of fair labor, environment etc.
That is called PR and if one does something, one should be allowed to mention it, especially if it is something positive.
3)Apple does not control what workers are paid. It would destroy prevailing labor rates in China , if FoxConn workers were paid way more than people in other jobs. Plus, typical consumers do not support higher prices , just so somebody in China makes more per hour.
4)The constant call for manufacturing in the USA is usually an uneducated wish.
There are not enough people in America to produce the quantities Apple has produced. The amount of engineers alone is not available in the US.
Read some information about Steve Jobs discussion with Obama about American jobs and production.
Add the tax structures, environmental hurdles and the real estate to build large factories and you will see why America doesn't have many factories like FoxConn
Due to the raw material location (precious metals etc. and other factors, whatever one would do makes iPhones etc. more expensive.
5) You claim that Apple does nothing about it is also false. Since they are a high profile company which doesn't need bad press, they address Fair Labor issues etc., however what can one do when everything is made to look perfect during audits and once the auditor leaves things go back to "normal".
Enforcing Fair Labor standard is a permanent struggle.
6)It is very common for people from other cultures wanting to impose WESTERN
CIVILISATION customs onto other nations. Unfortunately that will just leave people frustrated.
For starters the Far East still struggles with overpopulation and that will continue, despite all efforts , imposing limits etc. People like sex and thus there will always be plenty of children amongst those not using condoms etc.

I could go on and on, but I recommend you start educating yourself about how business works.

The main reason is making money and as much of it as possible.

As for Apple, you have absolutely no knowledge of how much they do, how they negotiate with Fox/Conn when the human issues come up.

You also will have to learn that factory work on assembly lines is extremely tiring and boring, but workers are needed to do assemble products.
Using robots for entire lines would actually leave all these Chinese workers without a job.

Again, in summary, please read up on things and take of the rose colored glasses and dream of a perfect world.


I'm young compared to an 80 yr old, at 39 :)


Yep, I'm clueless about everything, ever. If you'd please sit down and type up a summary of every aspect of life, and every possible combination of encounters and scenarios I am likely to face, I'll try and pop back in a year or 10, after I've got on doing life, whilst you're trying to teach me it, and see how you're getting on with it.

Cheerio :)
 
"I'm not going to waste my time"

He says, whilst doing so...

:rolleyes:

Lunch break psychology my good man.

Because i'm polite enough to let you know you're wasting my time.
So, I can at least do that for you....and this explanation. Other than that, here you go in my spam file.....
 
I said I'm a web designer / developer, not that I "developed the web" (as you quoted).



Coded my first web page '94 and since then I've developed sites for Ford, Chrysler, AMD, Royal Bank... does that count?

Sorry, I was being a facetious plank - forgive me - I'm in a playful mood. I meant no offence.

PS: Yes, you have done very well - I don't have the patience for web design (and all the moving goalposts that the clients give you). I prefer more black and white logic, such as C++ :)

Take care, and again - sorry if you took offence, I didn't mean any, I was being silly :)
 
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