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Apple could dump the DVD, SD, Firewire and Ethernet port and I wouldn't care.

I'm iffy on the matte/glossy.

You never have to transfer photographs from a digital camera to a computer using an SD card? Now that is something people use even more then a DVD drive.
 
You never have to transfer photographs from a digital camera to a computer using an SD card? Now that is something people use even more then a DVD drive.

He must be living in Steve Jobs Post PC Era :rolleyes:

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Could do that, thanks for the link.

I'm still on those old green NICAD Radio Shack rechargeable batteries...I bought...in high school well over a decade ago ( think like 1999 ) lol. Yep, they still work! Just never thought to replace them.
 
He must be living in Steve Jobs Post PC Era :rolleyes:

That is not a place I can live anytime soon, my needs are different then many others, I want my tablets to have sd card slots and I would love something like wacom and pressure sensitivity. A desktop or laptop HAS to have an sd card slot, I feel they also have to have a dvd/blu-ray drive yet I do understand that some people do not use those too often, no SD card slot? That is how photographs are transferred and is still current tech. (I also feel dvds and blu-rays are current tech as well)
 
I think we have some young spoiled people here. God Forbid we watch non-HD content. Can you imagine these 'kids' playing some old school 4-bit or 8-bit video games? I'm generalizing and stereotyping, I know.

Seriously though, how much of a snob do you have to be to belittle people that watch HD content. I own less than two dozen Blu-Ray movies. Most of those are movies I originally got as HD-DVDs and paid WB five bucks each for the Blu-Ray. I know, I was a sucker for picking what was clearly the better standard. Anyway, I didn't even buy a Blu-Ray player until last Christmas, and we rarely use it. Most movies just don't NEED to be in HD. I'll pay for the big action adventure or sci-fi epic movie on Blu-Ray, or the combo pack if there is only a five buck difference between the DVD and combo pack.

I can't imagine why I might need a chick flick or comedy in HD if I have to pay extra for it. I also can't see buying all my content digitally if there isn't a significant cost savings. Why do I want to fill countless hard drives with movies I'm likely to watch a few times a year. At least with the DVD, I can rip it if I want it on the iPod.

I don't pay the extra for HD from my TV provider. I'm sorry, it just isn't worth it to me. I have a 42 inch TV, so maybe I'd feel differently if I had a 60 inch.

I would rather have a thicker DESKTOP! Add half an inch, stuff in a better graphics card and fan. Didn't some of the earlier flat panel iMac's have room for multiple HDDs? I haven't upgraded my iMac since my 800MHz G4 with the floating screen, but several laptops later, it is time. I'm waiting for the large one (won't commit to 27inches in case they do something different=crazy). Plenty of room for them to keep the ODD, SD slot, anything we might need in a 4K machine :) Heck, if they did that, I might become a HD snob after all. :D
 
I think we have some young spoiled people here. God Forbid we watch non-HD content. Can you imagine these 'kids' playing some old school 4-bit or 8-bit video games? I'm generalizing and stereotyping, I know.

In contrast I think some people here sound like complete luddites, hold on to yer steam engines folks, it was better in the olden times.

If you want high quality movies, get a high end home entertainment system with your blue ray player and complete surround sound, and problem solved.

For long terms storage, nothing an individual can do will save it from accidents or are fool proof long term (think decades), for that purpose a cloud service is much more reliable, but there is a privacy concern I agree, but you can alway encrypt you data before you upload it I guess. Something like Amazon glacier comes to mind. http://aws.amazon.com/glacier/
 
Moving forward is great when what is released is better, in many ways nothing better is being released. And for something to be outdated and old it normally would have to stop being produced. (floppies)

Not found of the general attitude that just because they do not use something no one else should be able to. Completely avoiding the fact that we each have different needs and having something is better then removing it, do not need it then do not use it, need it and it is there. Best option to me.

I can't imagine why I might need a chick flick or comedy in HD if I have to pay extra for it. I also can't see buying all my content digitally if there isn't a significant cost savings. Why do I want to fill countless hard drives with movies I'm likely to watch a few times a year. At least with the DVD, I can rip it if I want it on the iPod.

There are a lot of films I will likely never upgrade, just not worth the cost, the dvds cost a dollar fifty and paying for it again makes little sense, sure I upgraded, X-Men, Batman, some Pixar films etc.. films that look great in HD or were among my favorites.
 
Moving forward is great when what is released is better, in many ways nothing better is being released. And for something to be outdated and old it normally would have to stop being produced. (floppies)

Not found of the general attitude that just because they do not use something no one else should be able to. Completely avoiding the fact that we each have different needs and having something is better then removing it, do not need it then do not use it, need it and it is there. Best option to me.

I agree completely, but to take your floppy example, there are still people who use them with older equipment but for them there are external drives available (which at least supports DOS formatted disks).

But my stance on the optical drive in an iMac I don't really care, they can keep it, it would make no difference for me. It would also help to differentiate the iMac a bit from the mini and the laptops, it should be more of a desktop in comparison imo.
 
I think we have some young spoiled people here. God Forbid we watch non-HD content. Can you imagine these 'kids' playing some old school 4-bit or 8-bit video games? I'm generalizing and stereotyping, I know.

Seriously though, how much of a snob do you have to be to belittle people that watch HD content. I own less than two dozen Blu-Ray movies. Most of those are movies I originally got as HD-DVDs and paid WB five bucks each for the Blu-Ray. I know, I was a sucker for picking what was clearly the better standard. Anyway, I didn't even buy a Blu-Ray player until last Christmas, and we rarely use it. Most movies just don't NEED to be in HD. I'll pay for the big action adventure or sci-fi epic movie on Blu-Ray, or the combo pack if there is only a five buck difference between the DVD and combo pack.

I can't imagine why I might need a chick flick or comedy in HD if I have to pay extra for it. I also can't see buying all my content digitally if there isn't a significant cost savings. Why do I want to fill countless hard drives with movies I'm likely to watch a few times a year. At least with the DVD, I can rip it if I want it on the iPod.

I don't pay the extra for HD from my TV provider. I'm sorry, it just isn't worth it to me. I have a 42 inch TV, so maybe I'd feel differently if I had a 60 inch.
On the contrary, we simply haven't discussed games or other such things. I think it obvious that choosing a bluray means for a movie that is on bluray, not for Donkey Kong. (Colecovision, natch) That same movie is probably on VHS, Netflix, DVD, Amazon, iTunes, etc. I'll take the bluray, please. I do watch plenty of Netflix streaming, too.

Yes, I guess the difference is a small TV vs a large one. But why can't the people with large TVs discuss that? And I don't recall any belittling of people, just of Netflix's quality.

As to cost, I usually find BD to be around the same as downloaded HD versions, if not cheaper.
 
I agree completely, but to take your floppy example, there are still people who use them with older equipment but for them there are external drives available (which at least supports DOS formatted disks).

A time can come when a format is no longer produced and has such a low user base that we can move on from it, there will always be hold outs and I understand if we always waited for everyone to be ready we would still be stuck with VHS. However I had no issues with blu-ray once it was cheap enough because I felt the format was better then DVD. Currently I do not see any method that is improved or better.

I do accept some digital games, Stream, good system works well and when games drop to the ten dollars or less range, of course I was always game cheap, even tangible games had to be under twenty, closer to under ten.

Digital comics are still not done right, the only plus is it saves space, you cannot download them, have to have the net if using your computer, the price is far too much, I can get the real ones for less.

I like moving forward with technology when it is an improvement, I had a floppy drive in my computer until about 2009 because of that annoying camera I had to use, was thrilled to get rid of it because that was the only thing floppies were good for from that point back about eight years.

The concepts I like, digital software, good, FULL 1080P movies with zero compression and everything the disc comes with for ten dollars or less? Digital comics that I could download and for half the cost of the real media? Lossless digital music for the same price.

These idea for the right price are appealing, since none of these are happening I am basically ignoring them at this time.

I know my price points will never be hit, it is just what it would take for me to really give it a serious look.

As to cost, I usually find BD to be around the same as downloaded HD versions, if not cheaper.

Even new releases are cheaper with higher quality and extras for those who care, I wait a little bit and the price drops quite a bit.
 
My iPhone is my camera.

Thought that may be the case, I am still on the 3GS so it is not even close to being good enough, my simple point and shoot blows it up. SC card slots are still used by millions as most do have digital cameras, I know that number is dropping because they say the best camera is the one you have on you. I rarely have my digital camera on me so I do wish my camera phone was better.
 
BluRay isn't anywhere close to lossless, either.

You are 100% percent correct.

Even still. Blu Ray blows the **** out of the online streaming and iTunes crap.

Optical Media in general is far from dead.

What about 4K? Do you REALLY think your gonna be streaming that? You won't, it'll be on a disc.
 
You are 100% percent correct.

Even still. Blu Ray blows the **** out of the online streaming and iTunes crap.

Optical Media in general is far from dead.

What about 4K? Do you REALLY think your gonna be streaming that? You won't, it'll be on a disc.

Even though it is not lossless it is the best we can current get on the market.

Everyone should see the Movie forum I go to, people there have collections in the thousands (too many for me) most of them will not touch digital.
 
The rMBP starts at 2100 dollars for a VERY underpowered laptop with a high res display, my Alienware might not have the super high res display a rMBP does, but it takes it to school in every other category,

And thats a 15 inch screen, a 27 inch screen is much larger and more expensive.
It's not an underpowered laptop, it has one of the best mobile processors available today and it has very capable graphics for 1440x900, and depending on the game you may be able to run it at 1920x1200 or 2880x1800 with acceptable frame rates and settings.

What model is your Alienware? It's a gaming rig, not an all-rounded system. It would be heavier, thicker, and it would have less battery life. Then of course it has the lower resolution, and unless you upgraded it no SSD either.

Yeah but again the rMBP is cheaper than the sMBP with the same specs. I see an iMac with Retina display being the same.
How is it a waste of space? A ton of software still comes on optical drives, all movies still come on discs, unless you want garbage compressed iTunes or netflix movies. Optical media is far from dead.

The idea that optical media is dead doesn't have any actual facts behind it, its just Apple wanting you to re buy everything in the iTunes store.
I say it's a waste of space because it doesn't get used that often but still takes up a significant amount of space, particularly in a laptop. (And I believed this years ago, because I haven't really used an optical drive much at all in that time.)

It is subjective though, for all I know you're using the optical drive in your laptop for three hours every day. I've probably only needed to use my optical drive four to six times this year -- two or three for installing Windows 7, and the other two or three for installing Battlefield 2142. That's it.

It's better the laptop is lighter and has a thinner profile, and then those who need optical drives can buy an external one.
 
What about 4K? Do you REALLY think your gonna be streaming that? You won't, it'll be on a disc.

Nope.

We'll be streaming it before we're buying it on optical, that's for sure.

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Everyone should see the Movie forum I go to, people there have collections in the thousands (too many for me) most of them will not touch digital.

Really.

Thousands of movies, in analog, because they won't touch digital?

I find that hard to believe.
 
It's better the laptop is lighter and has a thinner profile, and then those who need optical drives can buy an external one.

That is a deal breaking for some, me included, the only exception is an ultrabook. I hear this so often and it comes down to not waiting an external drive for a desktop or laptop, it defeats the entire purpose of a streamlined all in one device. That is how it is for me and I have heard from others that it is a deal breaker, how often is a drive in a desktop machine a deal breaker? If it is then I will have to say that is rather odd. "This machine can do too much, it must do less" (yep that was a goofy thing to say)

Sometimes it feels like every thing even desktops have to be as thin and light as paper or it is bulky and too heavy, when did we all get so weak that five pounds is heavy? (Of course then a hold an Ultrabook and understand that for a portable device, small, simple and easy to carry around is nice)

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Really.

Thousands of movies, in analog, because they won't touch digital?

I find that hard to believe.

They also own blu-ray, some own hundreds or even thousands, and yes some do own thousands of DVDs, they have photographs. They have been collecting for years, and have no desire to stop, digital downloads is not even an option for most for several reasons. These are die hard movie collectors, they take it really seriously at times.
 
They also own blu-ray, some own hundreds or even thousands, and yes some do own thousands of DVDs, they have photographs.

Dude, BluRay IS DIGITAL.

What the hell are you actually trying to say? Might want to revisit your posts, and recompose. :)

To refresh, this was your claim:

Everyone should see the Movie forum I go to, people there have collections in the thousands (too many for me) most of them will not touch digital.
 
Dude, BluRay IS DIGITAL.

What the hell are you actually trying to say? Might want to revisit your posts, and recompose. :)

To refresh, this was your claim:

He clearly meant Digital Distribution. Don't be a jerk.
 
Dude, BluRay IS DIGITAL.

What the hell are you actually trying to say? Might want to revisit your posts, and recompose. :)

To refresh, this was your claim:

I noticed that is how my comment was read and corrected it moments ago, when I say digital I mean digital downloads.

I know DVDs and Blu-ray are digital on discs, with how things are talked about these days saying digital tends to mean downloads from what I seen.
 
It's not an underpowered laptop, it has one of the best mobile processors available today and it has very capable graphics for 1440x900, and depending on the game you may be able to run it at 1920x1200 or 2880x1800 with acceptable frame rates and settings.

What model is your Alienware? It's a gaming rig, not an all-rounded system. It would be heavier, thicker, and it would have less battery life. Then of course it has the lower resolution, and unless you upgraded it no SSD either. .

For me, yes, it is extremely underpowered, its GPU is fail. I deal with pretty intense simulation software, and my alienware can barely handle it. ( hence the 20K workstation at work )

I have an Alienware M18X, picked it up a few months ago, I can't run as high as a rMBP, I'll admit that, but I am willing to trade lower res for a much larger screen ( 18 inches ) and better performance. ( 4.1ghz i7 overclocked, 32gb ram, 768gb SSDs in a RAID, I have dual SLI 7970 MObile GPUs ). Now that might sound stupid, but I use every bit of that performance for work, and play.

So yes, to me the rMBP is underpowered,

Yes, my laptop weighs about 12 pounds, but cmon, what is 12 pounds? If 12 pounds is alot of weight for you. Time to get the gym and loose that 300 lbs of body fat ;) I'll take my 18 inch screen and hardware performance over underpowered tablet Laptop.

It would be heavier, thicker, and it would have less battery life. Then of course it has the lower resolution, and unless you upgraded it no SSD either.

Other than the Low res, its better than a rMBP.

Less Battery Life? Wrong, I can swap my batteries out, and I carry 3 with me in the field.

Heavier and thicker? Yes. That doesn't matter to me. I'll take the performance. 12 pounds is nothing. Gym it up.

I have 3 SSD's.

Yeah but again the rMBP is cheaper than the sMBP with the same specs. I see an iMac with Retina display being the same.

I can't see Retina in the iMac yet, I think even with Apples buying power, to expensive.

If I were to buy a Apple laptop, it would be a refurb 17 inch. I like screen space. ( The last Apple laptop I bought new was a G4 Powerbook, before that, a Pismo that got me through college )

I say it's a waste of space because it doesn't get used that often but still takes up a significant amount of space, particularly in a laptop. (And I believed this years ago, because I haven't really used an optical drive much at all in that time.)

For me., it isn't Because I use my computer for work. Not play.

It is subjective though, for all I know you're using the optical drive in your laptop for three hours every day. I've probably only needed to use my optical drive four to six times this year -- two or three for installing Windows 7, and the other two or three for installing Battlefield 2142. That's it.

Yes it is, your 100% correct on that, but in something like an IMac, space makes zero difference, even if I only used them a dozen times a year, I don't want an external drive.

It's better the laptop is lighter and has a thinner profile, and then those who need optical drives can buy an external one.

Opinion imo, Apple makes some great laptops for sure, but with the rMBP I see them mostly as toys.

But hey its all about what you need? With the rMBP I think its insane to kill the ODD, and ethernet for 3/16th of an inch.

I'll stick with my big Dell.

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I noticed that is how my comment was read and corrected it moments ago, when I say digital I mean digital downloads.

I know DVDs and Blu-ray are digital on discs, with how things are talked about these days saying digital tends to mean downloads from what I seen.

Blu Rays are still digital, so are DVDs :p

Try a Blu Ray next to Streamed content, the Blu Ray will blow it away.
 
I noticed that is how my comment was read and corrected it moments ago, when I say digital I mean digital downloads.

Ok, gotcha. :)

Better streaming is already here. You can get 4K streams off of YouTube that blow BD away. It's not mainstream - still a few years away from that - but it's coming, and it will get here far faster than the 10 to 20 years it'll take the optical side of the business to agree on a new standard.
 
Nope.

We'll be streaming it before we're buying it on optical, that's for sure.
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No you won't, because Internet connections can't even keep up with Blu Ray quality streaming, how the hell do you except it to keep up with 4K content? which will be much much larger than what you see in 1080P.

Really.

Thousands of movies, in analog, because they won't touch digital?

I find that hard to believe.

" Analog " isn't so much a bad thing, a straight analog sound system is much better than a digital system for home use ( assuming you spend money ), all my guitar amps sound amazing and use vacuum tubes ;)

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Its not digital! Its on film! It must be crap! ( for the slow people, Thats an iMax dome. )
 
He clearly meant Digital Distribution. Don't be a jerk.

It wasn't clear at all.

Don't be a jerk.

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...all my guitar amps sound amazing and use vacuum tubes ;)

Sound production is a different beast than sound re-production.

I run my keyboards through valve amps as well - there are sounds that can't be created any other way, especially live - but it doesn't take an analog signal path to RE-create them.
 
Sound production is a different beast than sound re-production.

I run my keyboards through valve amps as well - there are sounds that can't be created any other way, especially live - but it doesn't take an analog signal path to RE-create them.

Indeed.

Sound reproduction still goes better with analog, if only I had the beatles master tapes....
 
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