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The fack is I did update an iPhone to 4.0.1 AFTER Apple stopped signing and I was able to use TinyUmbrella and Saurik's servers.

You are wrong about this, and nobody wants to spread misinformation to other users, I'm sure you included.

Take a timeout for a moment and have a look at the facts. Take a trip over to the tinyumbrella website, which is now updated by the author to clearly say you can no longer get 4.0.1 blobs saved if you missed the window. Apple does the signing, even for tinyumbrella. Apple is no longer signing 4.0.1.
If you don't believe anyone else on this site, at least you should respect his advice as you are telling people to use his software...
Good for you if you managed to update 2 phones yesterday before the window closed, but trust us, it is now closed and there is no magic you can perform (yet) to get singed blobs from anywhere but Apple.

Everyone makes mistakes, I've done a couple of belters myself. Get over it and move on.
 
The fack is I did update an iPhone to 4.0.1 AFTER Apple stopped signing and I was able to use TinyUmbrella and Saurik's servers.

lol. Man as much as you want to huff and puff your just FACTUALLY wrong. It is a FACT that the method you are advising OP to try will not work. This cannot be argued. I am sorry If YOU do not understand this but you are WRONG.
 
The fack is I did update an iPhone to 4.0.1 AFTER Apple stopped signing and I was able to use TinyUmbrella and Saurik's servers.

If you truly believe that, then take me up on my offer. If you're right (which you seem to think there's no way you're not) then you stand to gain an iPhone + $1000 - overall a $1600 value. Maybe $1700 if I can't find a 16gb model.

Also, everyone else, thanks for trying to get him to see reason - I'm sure there are new users who have already been mislead
 
If you truly believe that, then take me up on my offer. If you're right (which you seem to think there's no way you're not) then you stand to gain an iPhone + $1000 - overall a $1600 value. Maybe $1700 if I can't find a 16gb model.

Also, everyone else, thanks for trying to get him to see reason - I'm sure there are new users who have already been mislead

Take you up on your offer to buy an iPhone.... Sure buy one...

Get me to see reason? When I did EXACTLY what I described, what reason do I need to see?
 
4.1, actually. :)


All 4.0.1 is is a cosmetic change to the signal bars. Nothing useful, so don't bother updating to 4.0.1

The only thing you would maybe want to update for is the PDF fix in 4.0.2 but since you can get a patch for that through cydia, you should be more than fine on 4.0
That's not true. 4.0.1 not only recalculates signal bar strengths but also changes the no service threshold to allow for a weaker signal. So in a weak signal area 4.0.1 might still have service where 4.0 does not.
 
Take you up on your offer to buy an iPhone.... Sure buy one...

Get me to see reason? When I did EXACTLY what I described, what reason do I need to see?

I want your word that you'll reimburse me for the cost of the phone if you're proven to be wrong. We can have some unbiased party confirm the results if you'd like. Since you seem to not care about lying, I'd rather have a community-trusted 3rd party hold the funds before going out and purchasing the iPhone. I'm not going to spend $600-700 just to find you disappear.

As for the reason - how about the fact that you're simply wrong? You're either lying or didn't do EXACTLY as you described. How many people have to explain it to you? It's not a matter of opinion, it's simply impossible to accomplish what you claim to have. Like I and many others have said, it was possible until very recently, but Apple has stopped signing the firmware. TinyUmbrella cannot and will not generate hashes ever. It simply requests the hashes from either Apple or Cydia. Cydia requests the hashes from Apple if they weren't previously saved. If Apple isn't signing it AND the hashes were never saved for that particular phone, no one in the world, except maybe Steve Jobs, can do a thing about it.

That's not true. 4.0.1 not only recalculates signal bar strengths but also changes the no service threshold to allow for a weaker signal. So in a weak signal area 4.0.1 might still have service where 4.0 does not.

The same effect can be accomplished by replacing the stock 4.0 CommCenter with one from 4.0.1 (you can extract it from the 3GS ipsw, since the CommCenters are identical bit for bit between the 3GS and iPhone 4). While you don't get the new design for the signal bars, you do get the recalculated algorithm and the ability to hold onto a signal with a lower threshold (I'm not sure if you can actually hold onto a weaker signal, or if Apple just gave the phone the ability to report a weaker signal). I've done this myself, and have no issues to report. You can probably get the newly designed signal bars too if you really want, but I don't really care for them (nor do I know where they are actually stored in iOS 4).
 
whats SHSH that everyone is saying?


(has no clue what everyone is saying and wants to be up to date when he gets his iphone 4 soon)
 
whats SHSH that everyone is saying?


(has no clue what everyone is saying and wants to be up to date when he gets his iphone 4 soon)

An SHSH is a "signature" required to restore a firmware package to the modern iOS devices. Each signature is unique for each individual device and firmware. An SHSH from one iPhone 4 won't work on another iPhone 4 (let along iPhone 3GS, iPad, or iPod Touch). An SHSH from 4.0 will only work with 4.0. Typically, Apple only generates SHSHs for your device for the most current software version. Usually you can download the "old" SHSH a couple hours after the new firmware is released. I know of two major exceptions to this: The most recent was 4.0.1, which Apple was signing several days after 4.0.2 came out. The other exception was firmware 3.0, which as far as I know, Apple signed alongside 3.0.1 until 3.1 was released.

Saurik has created a server which will request the SHSH from Apple, and save it if you give it permission to save SHSHs for your device. He will save the SHSH being signed at the time of the request, and any future SHSHs that become available. This way, as long as you define the update server as Saurik's server, you will always be able to restore to the firmware versions for which you have SHSHs saved.

TinyUmbrella is a program that will request the SHSH file from either Apple or Cydia and store it locally. If you make the request through Cydia (the default option) it will automatically save that SHSH (assuming it's still being signed), and also save any future SHSHs without requiring you to tell it to. Like I said earlier, once these are saved, you can download the SHSHs forever (assuming Saurik doesn't have to shut down the server). TinyUmbrella can also start a server locally that will serve as the update server for iTunes while it's active.
 
I want your word that you'll reimburse me for the cost of the phone if you're proven to be wrong. We can have some unbiased party confirm the results if you'd like. Since you seem to not care about lying, I'd rather have a community-trusted 3rd party hold the funds before going out and purchasing the iPhone. I'm not going to spend $600-700 just to find you disappear.

As for the reason - how about the fact that you're simply wrong? You're either lying or didn't do EXACTLY as you described. How many people have to explain it to you? It's not a matter of opinion, it's simply impossible to accomplish what you claim to have. Like I and many others have said, it was possible until very recently, but Apple has stopped signing the firmware. TinyUmbrella cannot and will not generate hashes ever. It simply requests the hashes from either Apple or Cydia. Cydia requests the hashes from Apple if they weren't previously saved. If Apple isn't signing it AND the hashes were never saved for that particular phone, no one in the world, except maybe Steve Jobs, can do a thing about it.


Your deal stinks of something out of Nigeria. For Starters, where are you going to buy a NEW iPhone with only 4.0 installed? Who's this "trusted" person I should leave my money with, never to see it again because you can't get an iPhone with 4.0 anymore?

I'm NOT lying and I did exactly what I described... Let's refrain from calling me a liar as I find that highly offensive.

So answer my questions above...
 
Sorry guys, you're wrong....


Google TinyUmbrella, download it and run it with your iPhone plugged in. This will save and upload your SHSH files.

Follow this link: This will tell you what you need to do to use Saurik's servers to upgrade to 4.0.1.

Then head to Jailbreakme.com.

Done!

This is what people are calling you out about. Not whether or not you managed to jailbreak a couple of friends phones before the 4.0.1 signing window closed.
The signing window is now closed. Fact. It was closed when you made the statement. It cannot be done on a new phone without blobs saved, which the OP stated he had. It is impossible. You made a mistake, but the fact that you don't seem to want to accept it or retract it makes everyone think you are a liar, regardless of your previous forum history. The above statement, at the time you made it, is a lie. A couple of days earlier it would have been the truth. You would get a whole lot more respect if you admitted that in this case you made a mistake.
 
This is what people are calling you out about. Not whether or not you managed to jailbreak a couple of friends phones before the 4.0.1 signing window closed.
The signing window is now closed. Fact. It was closed when you made the statement. It cannot be done on a new phone without blobs saved, which the OP stated he had. It is impossible. You made a mistake, but the fact that you don't seem to want to accept it or retract it makes everyone think you are a liar, regardless of your previous forum history. The above statement, at the time you made it, is a lie. A couple of days earlier it would have been the truth. You would get a whole lot more respect if you admitted that in this case you made a mistake.

Calling me out about what? I saw a few people claim that you can't do it with an iPhone running 4.0.2 - WHICH I NEVER CLAIMED...

I CLEARLY stated that I updated two iPhones running 4.0 to 4.0.1 after Apple stopped signing 4.0.1 - WHICH I DID...
 
Has anyone successfully did this yet without jailbraking?

Seth?


You don't jailbreak to get to an older firmware. You have to have your SHSH files saved on Saurik's servers, then you edit your hosts.txt file to point to Saurik's servers for iTunes.

Then you click Option+Restore in iTunes to put in the firmware you want. If you have an iPhone on 4.0.2 without SHSH files saved, you're out of luck until the next jailbreak is released.

If you are running 4.0, PM me and I can go into more detail.
 
Sorry guys, you're wrong....


Google TinyUmbrella, download it and run it with your iPhone plugged in. This will save and upload your SHSH files.

Follow this link: This will tell you what you need to do to use Saurik's servers to upgrade to 4.0.1.

Then head to Jailbreakme.com.

Done!

Calling you out about the text quoted above. It was misinformation at the time you provided it because the signing window was closed...
 
Your deal stinks of something out of Nigeria. For Starters, where are you going to buy a NEW iPhone with only 4.0 installed? Who's this "trusted" person I should leave my money with, never to see it again because you can't get an iPhone with 4.0 anymore?

I'm NOT lying and I did exactly what I described... Let's refrain from calling me a liar as I find that highly offensive.

So answer my questions above...

i can prove I'm real - do you want a scan of my drivers license or something? I'll even let you VNC into my PC and have you do the restore. That way you can also verify I didn't do anything funny with the hosts file. And why does it matter if I get an iPhone with 4.0? If it's possible to get 4.0.1 SHSHs, it shouldn't matter what version the iPhone is on. The restore process is the same no matter what the original firmware is. I have personally restored a phone that came with 4.0.2 to 4.0.1 right before the signing window closed.

As for the trusted person, I don't care who it is, you pick him out. I think a moderator or admin of the forums would be best. They've been trusted with other things for verification purposes (like people's email accounts when all those Steve Jobs emails were going about).

If you're not lying, and don't want to take me up on my offer, prove it to me by some other means. Hell don't do it for me, I really don't care at this point. Do it for those who are new to the scene. I am confident that things were not the way they appeared to you. If you truly did successfully restore, it's probable that your buddy had the SHSH saved without realizing it. I already explained in an earlier post how this is possible.

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Just think about the implications of what you're saying for one second. If it really were possible to restore to a firmware version after the window has closed, what is the point of the whole blob system anyway? If Saurik can generate SHSHs after the window has closed, why does he and the entire dev community say that you must get the hashes saved before the window closes? Do you think they do it for the fun of seeing the community panic? Don't accuse us of not having common sense when you yourself refuse to reply to any of our points in a logical manner.

How is it common sense for us to believe the words of one person, when these words go against everything that we've already established? Especially when you offer no proof to verify your claims
 
i can prove I'm real - do you want a scan of my drivers license or something? I'll even let you VNC into my PC and have you do the restore. That way you can also verify I didn't do anything funny with the hosts file. And why does it matter if I get an iPhone with 4.0? If it's possible to get 4.0.1 SHSHs, it shouldn't matter what version the iPhone is on. The restore process is the same no matter what the original firmware is. I have personally restored a phone that came with 4.0.2 to 4.0.1 right before the signing window closed.

As for the trusted person, I don't care who it is, you pick him out. I think a moderator or admin of the forums would be best. They've been trusted with other things for verification purposes (like people's email accounts when all those Steve Jobs emails were going about).

If you're not lying, and don't want to take me up on my offer, prove it to me by some other means. Hell don't do it for me, I really don't care at this point. Do it for those who are new to the scene. I am confident that things were not the way they appeared to you. If you truly did successfully restore, it's probable that your buddy had the SHSH saved without realizing it. I already explained in an earlier post how this is possible.



Just think about the implications of what you're saying for one second. If it really were possible to restore to a firmware version after the window has closed, what is the point of the whole blob system anyway? If Saurik can generate SHSHs after the window has closed, why does he and the entire dev community say that you must get the hashes saved before the window closed? Do you think they do it for the fun of seeing the community panic? Don't accuse us of not having common sense when you yourself refuse to reply to any of our points in a logical manner.

How is it common sense for us to believe the words of one person, when these words go against everything that we've already established? Especially when you offer no proof to verify your claims


You want me to take you up on an offer, when you can't even answer HOW you're going to buy a NEW iPhone4 running 4.0.... (Nigeria again...)

First off if I thought I would have to prove my claims then I would have made a video of my actions. How can I prove after the fact? If I tell my buddies to create accounts on here and tell you that I'm in fact being 100% honest with my accounts of that day - you'd claim it was me.

You say that I don't respond to any of your posts, really? Have I not responded to your posts telling you what I did? It has been you and the other guy that keep dishing insults when all I did was CLEARLY STATE what I DID.

I personally don't care if you don't believe me or not, that's your problem. I can guarantee that my buddies did not have their SHSH files saved prior to Friday. They didn't even know what jailbreaking was until I showed it to them.

I tried to update one of the iPhone4 via official means, yet iTunes refused to update to 4.0.1. I then used TinUmbrella to save the SHSH files. After which I added "74.208.105.171 gs.apple.com" to my hosts file and then I was able to click Option+restore on my Mac while the iPhone was in DFU mode and I could restore to 4.0.1 AFTER Apple stopped signing the firmware.

Now if YOU can explain HOW I was able to do this, then I'm prepared to concede all of your points and chalk it up to a fluke. Yet you have done nothing but insult me and call me a liar from the beginning when I'm being 100% honest.

By continuing to claim my buddy had his SHSH files already saved is pure BS, when I know for a fact that he didn't. I know for a fact that I put 4.0.1 on his phone AFTER Apple stopped signing the firmware.

Again, when you have something else to "claim" and lack the further insults we can discuss this in further detail. All I can really do is tell you what I did, if you can't accept that, then what's the point?
 
You want me to take you up on an offer, when you can't even answer HOW you're going to buy a NEW iPhone4 running 4.0.... (Nigeria again...)
I already explained that it doesn't not matter what firmware the iPhone starts at. The restore process is the same no matter what, and the iPhone needs the same blobs for 4.0.1 no matter what the starting firmware is.

First off if I thought I would have to prove my claims then I would have made a video of my actions. How can I prove after the fact? If I tell my buddies to create accounts on here and tell you that I'm in fact being 100% honest with my accounts of that day - you'd claim it was me.
How am I supposed to believe you though? What you're claiming goes against the personal experiences of the rest of the board, and goes against the advice given out by the dev-team members - all of which can be trusted.

You say that I don't respond to any of your posts, really? Have I not responded to your posts telling you what I did? It has been you and the other guy that keep dishing insults when all I did was CLEARLY STATE what I DID.
I didn't say you didn't respond - I said you didn't respond in a logical manner/with a thought out answer. You kept referring me to your original post even though we're trying to make you understand that your original post is simply impossible now that the signing window is closed.

I personally don't care if you don't believe me or not, that's your problem. I can guarantee that my buddies did not have their SHSH files saved prior to Friday. They didn't even know what jailbreaking was until I showed it to them.
Don't have to know what jailbreaking is to save SHSHs.

I tried to update one of the iPhone4 via official means, yet iTunes refused to update to 4.0.1. I then used TinUmbrella to save the SHSH files. After which I added "74.208.105.171 gs.apple.com" to my hosts file and then I was able to click Option+restore on my Mac while the iPhone was in DFU mode and I could restore to 4.0.1 AFTER Apple stopped signing the firmware.

Now if YOU can explain HOW I was able to do this, then I'm prepared to concede all of your points and chalk it up to a fluke. Yet you have done nothing but insult me and call me a liar from the beginning when I'm being 100% honest.
Like you haven't insulted the rest of us by claiming we posess no common sense and can't read, give me a break.

I can explain how you did it - the SHSH was somehow saved without your knowing. Have you ever pointed iTunes on his computer to saurik's server? Did he ever have to restore his iPhone via your computer (which would likely already be set up to use Saurik's sever) before the signing window closed? If the answer is yes to any of these, his SHSH would've been saved without him even knowing.


By continuing to claim my buddy had his SHSH files already saved is pure BS, when I know for a fact that he didn't. I know for a fact that I put 4.0.1 on his phone AFTER Apple stopped signing the firmware.

Again, when you have something else to "claim" and lack the further insults we can discuss this in further detail. All I can really do is tell you what I did, if you can't accept that, then what's the point?
How can you be certain that he didn't have the SHSHs saved? The only way the restore you did is possible is if he had the SHSHs saved. Or if it was a refurbished phone, he got *really* lucky and the previous owner had saved the SHSHs. Go to Cydia on that phone, and tell me what is says on the top. If the TSS request isn't still pending, I'm certain that it will say it has SHSHs on file for 4.0.1

I can guarantee you that no one else will succeed in what you claim to have, provided that SHSHs were never saved for that particular phone by anyone.
 
I already explained that it doesn't not matter what firmware the iPhone starts at. The restore process is the same no matter what, and the iPhone needs the same blobs for 4.0.1 no matter what the starting firmware is.


How am I supposed to believe you though? What you're claiming goes against the personal experiences of the rest of the board, and goes against the advice given out by the dev-team members - all of which can be trusted.


I didn't say you didn't respond - I said you didn't respond in a logical manner/with a thought out answer. You kept referring me to your original post even though we're trying to make you understand that your original post is simply impossible now that the signing window is closed.


Don't have to know what jailbreaking is to save SHSHs.


Like you haven't insulted the rest of us by claiming we posess no common sense and can't read, give me a break.

I can explain how you did it - the SHSH was somehow saved without your knowing. Have you ever pointed iTunes on his computer to saurik's server? Did he ever have to restore his iPhone via your computer (which would likely already be set up to use Saurik's sever) before the signing window closed? If the answer is yes to any of these, his SHSH would've been saved without him even knowing.



How can you be certain that he didn't have the SHSHs saved? The only way the restore you did is possible is if he had the SHSHs saved. Or if it was a refurbished phone, he got *really* lucky and the previous owner had saved the SHSHs. Go to Cydia on that phone, and tell me what is says on the top. If the TSS request isn't still pending, I'm certain that it will say it has SHSHs on file for 4.0.1

I can guarantee you that no one else will succeed in what you claim to have, provided that SHSHs were never saved for that particular phone by anyone.

He DID NOT have his SHSH files saved, as I have said at least six times I did it for him on Friday. To save your SHSH files you have to know what you are doing, you can't accidentally save them. No I have never points iTunes to Saurik's servers on his computer. The first time I ever pointed iTunes to Saurik's servers was on Friday - after the signing window closed.

As I said, I don't care if you believe me or not, I KNOW what I saw with my very own eyes. Again you keep going back to the SHSH files, yet I CLEARLY stated that I KNOW FOR A FACT that they weren't saved prior to me saving them.

^ That is why I have said you need to READ my posts - which you clearly don't do, just like I said for others to do - how is that an insult?

Neither of my friends have refurbished iPhones, heck I doubt you can even get refurbs just yet. One got his iPhone4 on launch day with me, the other just got it in the previous week or two.

The other person doesn't have common sense, if I offer my help to another person to go through the steps that I completed - yet he "reports" me for trying to be helpful, yeah he's full of it.

BTW let's not talk about insults, you're what up to 5 or 6 insults you've flung my way.
 
He DID NOT have his SHSH files saved, as I have said at least six times I did it for him on Friday. To save your SHSH files you have to know what you are doing, you can't accidentally save them. No I have never points iTunes to Saurik's servers on his computer. The first time I ever pointed iTunes to Saurik's servers was on Friday - after the signing window closed.

As I said, I don't care if you believe me or not, I KNOW what I saw with my very own eyes. Again you keep going back to the SHSH files, yet I CLEARLY stated that I KNOW FOR A FACT that they weren't saved prior to me saving them.

^ That is why I have said you need to READ my posts - which you clearly don't do, just like I said for others to do - how is that an insult?

Neither of my friends have refurbished iPhones, heck I doubt you can even get refurbs just yet. One got his iPhone4 on launch day with me, the other just got it in the previous week or two.

The other person doesn't have common sense, if I offer my help to another person to go through the steps that I completed - yet he "reports" me for trying to be helpful, yeah he's full of it.

BTW let's not talk about insults, you're what up to 5 or 6 insults you've flung me way.

You're essentially accusing all of us of lying when you tell us to read your posts when we clearly have. How else can we respond to your post and discuss the contents of that post directly? What we're not doing is accepting your post as a truth unconditionally. Reading your post does not necessitate agreeing with your post. Why don't you read my posts? My response is that what you're stating is just impossible. The window is closed, and has been since mid-day Thursday, and no one can restore to 4.0.1 now unless they have the SHSHs saved.

Get over the insults, they're not meant to be personal attacks - merely explanations. As in: At worst, you're a troll/lying (note I'm not saying that you actually are, just offering a possible explanation for your actions) or at best, you were misinformed as to when the signing window closed,and actually restored the phone during the last few minutes the window remained open. I've already actually stated that besides this issue, you appear to be a respectable member that is willing to help out members on these forums. For some reason a moderator deleted that comment of mine during his clean-up. That's not my fault.

You can get refurbs, there are a few members on here with phones that have 5K serials, and I know I've gotten a 3GS refurb around this time last year.

He reported you for propagating information that will confuse members of this community - not for offering help. I don't know how else to explain it, no matter what you saw with your eyes, it's just impossible to do what you're saying. There have been a few events in my own life that I could've sworn occurred in one manner but in reality occurred differently. I accepted that after others have explained to me how my version of the story just cannot be. Often times we see what we want to see (or remember what we want to remember) rather than what actually happened.

Also, while I don't have anything against you personally, I don't care if you think I'm wrong about my position. What does matter to me is the state of the community; I don't want people to end up getting the false impression that they can restore to 4.0.1 if they have a phone on 4.0. These people should stay on 4.0, since attempting to update may fail at the wrong spot and force them to restore to 4.0.2. I guarantee you, that you will not find anyone else who will be able to restore to 4.0.1 even from 4.0, if they do not have their SHSHs saved.

I just remembered this: I do have an uncle with an iPhone 3GS still on 4.0 that's never been jailbroken, and hasn't had its SHSH saved. I will be meeting with him this weekend - if he lets me borrow his phone, I welcome you to VNC into my machine and attempt to restore the phone.
 
(First Post!) Ugh, I'm confused. I purchased my phone on the release day and am currently running 4.0.2. The home screen pics thread is making me more and more intrigued of jailbreaking. So, am I to understand that currently, jailbreaking isn't an option for me?
 
(First Post!) Ugh, I'm confused. I purchased my phone on the release day and am currently running 4.0.2. The home screen pics thread is making me more and more intrigued of jailbreaking. So, am I to understand that currently, jailbreaking isn't an option for me?

Unfortunately not. If you haven't been jailbroken on this device (or used tinyumberella) then there is no chance your shsh's for 4.0.1 are saved. You have to specifically have done this. They are unique to your device and there is no workaround. The window to get them is now closed.
You will simply have to wait until a new jailbreak is released, which will almost certainly be once 4.1 is out in the coming weeks or months. Nobody knows when the dev-team will find the exploit on 4.1, but there is a chance they already have one and are just waiting for the release. There was a quite a bit of chat, when the IP4 was released, that indicated they had found more than one exploit to work with.
Sorry it's not better news, but I hope this helps. I am really sorry you are confused. This whole post is a mess because of the misinformation one member has perpetuated.
 
You're essentially accusing all of us of lying when you tell us to read your posts when we clearly have. How else can we respond to your post and discuss the contents of that post directly? What we're not doing is accepting your post as a truth unconditionally. Reading your post does not necessitate agreeing with your post. Why don't you read my posts? My response is that what you're stating is just impossible. The window is closed, and has been since mid-day Thursday, and no one can restore to 4.0.1 now unless they have the SHSHs saved.

Get over the insults, they're not meant to be personal attacks - merely explanations. As in: At worst, you're a troll/lying (note I'm not saying that you actually are, just offering a possible explanation for your actions) or at best, you were misinformed as to when the signing window closed,and actually restored the phone during the last few minutes the window remained open. I've already actually stated that besides this issue, you appear to be a respectable member that is willing to help out members on these forums. For some reason a moderator deleted that comment of mine during his clean-up. That's not my fault.

You can get refurbs, there are a few members on here with phones that have 5K serials, and I know I've gotten a 3GS refurb around this time last year.

He reported you for propagating information that will confuse members of this community - not for offering help. I don't know how else to explain it, no matter what you saw with your eyes, it's just impossible to do what you're saying. There have been a few events in my own life that I could've sworn occurred in one manner but in reality occurred differently. I accepted that after others have explained to me how my version of the story just cannot be. Often times we see what we want to see (or remember what we want to remember) rather than what actually happened.

Also, while I don't have anything against you personally, I don't care if you think I'm wrong about my position. What does matter to me is the state of the community; I don't want people to end up getting the false impression that they can restore to 4.0.1 if they have a phone on 4.0. These people should stay on 4.0, since attempting to update may fail at the wrong spot and force them to restore to 4.0.2. I guarantee you, that you will not find anyone else who will be able to restore to 4.0.1 even from 4.0, if they do not have their SHSHs saved.

I just remembered this: I do have an uncle with an iPhone 3GS still on 4.0 that's never been jailbroken, and hasn't had its SHSH saved. I will be meeting with him this weekend - if he lets me borrow his phone, I welcome you to VNC into my machine and attempt to restore the phone.

First Off I have not said you are lying, on the other hand you have accused me of lying as well as a few other insults. I do take the insults personally because I've spent time in "time-out" for FAR LESS.

I have only gone over my actions and the facts that I know to be true. I look forward to this weekend, PM me and I will give you my personal cell phone number and we can see what happens. I'm confident I'm correct; if it turns out that I'm not, will gladly post in this thread that I was mistaken and I must have missed something during the process that enabled me to perform said actions.
 
Really, then how did I update and jailbreak TWO iPhones today for two of my buddies? Neither had added their SHSH before, both were iPhone4's.

All I did was use TuniyUmbrella and then I updated them successfully to 4.0.1 and then I jailbroke them via Jailbreakme.com.


How did I do that, I must have no clue what I'm talking about.... :rolleyes:

Dude, you have NO idea what you are talking about. I cant believe you are being such a jerk and yet so wrong. The reason you were able to do that is because Apple was still signing them. This is required even with Saurik's server. They just stopped signing them like a couple days ago. DO NOT argue with people when you dont know what you are talking about.

As I said, I don't care if you believe me or not, I KNOW what I saw with my very own eyes. Again you keep going back to the SHSH files, yet I CLEARLY stated that I KNOW FOR A FACT that they weren't saved prior to me saving them.

Even if you dont save them, if Apple is still signing them that means they are still allowing people to use that firmware. Therefore even if they hadnt saved them, you are still able to restore to that firmware. The reason you save them is for AFTER Apple stops signing them, and when you need to restore. You can restore all you want without saving the blobs as long as they are still being signed.
 
First Off I have not said you are lying, on the other hand you have accused me of lying as well as a few other insults. I do take the insults personally because I've spent time in "time-out" for FAR LESS.

I have only gone over my actions and the facts that I know to be true. I look forward to this weekend, PM me and I will give you my personal cell phone number and we can see what happens. I'm confident I'm correct; if it turns out that I'm not, will gladly post in this thread that I was mistaken and I must have missed something during the process that enabled me to perform said actions.

That should settle everything then, I'll PM you my info when the time comes.

Also, I never directly accused you of lying. I did offer it as an explanation as in "you're either lying or you misunderstood what happened". Here's a clearer version: I don't know what you're doing, I'm not saying you're lying, but I can't rule it out either. If that's insulting to you, then so be it.
 
Dude, you have NO idea what you are talking about. I cant believe you are being such a jerk and yet so wrong. The reason you were able to do that is because Apple was still signing them. This is required even with Saurik's server. They just stopped signing them like a couple days ago. DO NOT argue with people when you dont know what you are talking about.



Even if you dont save them, if Apple is still signing them that means they are still allowing people to use that firmware. Therefore even if they hadnt saved them, you are still able to restore to that firmware. The reason you save them is for AFTER Apple stops signing them, and when you need to restore. You can restore all you want without saving the blobs as long as they are still being signed.


Dude, you should go back and read my posts. I clearly stated that I saved the SHSH and did the option+restore to 4.0.1 AFTER Apple stopped signing them. With terraphantm's plan, we'll know shortly if I did miss something or if I'm spot on. I know exactly what I'm talking about based on what I did and saw; so we'll find out shortly if I missed something.

Your comments aren't needed as we've been over this several times.
 
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