Upgrade 13" MBP to 15" or wait?

[2hvy4grvty]

It's funny how defensive people get when there's talk that their "Prized" MacBook Pro is about to be outdated soon.

But get used to IT that's just how Apple works... Their constantly updating, redesigning and releasing amazing products to feed the never-ending crave that consumers have.


So enjoy what you have now or wait and get whats next..... there's really no right or wrong way to do it.

If you're waiting, it only makes sense to wait for the 2012 model. IF there was a 2011 model, it wouldn't have the hardware changes that make it worth purchasing. That's simply the fact of the matter. Apple doesn't produce the physical hardware, Apple has NO say in when Ivy rolls out, or when the 28nm graphics cards come; 0 say.

If you want a thinner, but hotter and weaker MBA 15/17, be my guest.

 

[snaky69]

This pretty much sum's up and puts an end to this thread...

Read the ROADMAP it's all there.

The current design isn't yet 3 years old. The previous, non-unibody design stayed with the powerbook and macbook pros, nearly unchanged, for 7 years. Yeah, that's right, 7 years.

Machining a laptop out of a solid chunk of aluminum requires very expensive equipment, and doing it on a large scale even more so, I can't see Apple who just spent a few million dollars(probably in the hundreds) in R&D for the new process would switch to a "new and thinner design". The machine and R&D don't pay for themselves.

Think about it, it is their Pro laptops, making it thinner would make Apple have to compromise even more hardware wise, which could turn a lot of potential buyers off, it makes no business sense for them to reduce the power of their laptops in exchange for a thinner design, just when they gave us the most powerful macbook pro's to date.

I don't see any new MBP's until early 2012 when Ivy Bridge is out, and I don't believe it won't be much more than a spec bump.

 

[randomrazr]

The current design isn't yet 3 years old. The previous, non-unibody design stayed with the powerbook and macbook pros, nearly unchanged, for 7 years. Yeah, that's right, 7 years.

Machining a laptop out of a solid chunk of aluminum requires very expensive equipment, and doing it on a large scale even more so, I can't see Apple who just spent a few million dollars(probably in the hundreds) in R&D for the new process would switch to a "new and thinner design". The machine and R&D don't pay for themselves.

Think about it, it is their Pro laptops, making it thinner would make Apple have to compromise even more hardware wise, which could turn a lot of potential buyers off, it makes no business sense for them to reduce the power of their laptops in exchange for a thinner design, just when they gave us the most powerful macbook pro's to date.

I don't see any new MBP's until early 2012 when Ivy Bridge is out, and I don't believe it won't be much more than a spec bump.

in addition, the macbook pros cant really go much thinner.

they are "pro" computers and suppose to have high end powerful specs. it already has enough tough of a time to dispate all that heat. making it thinner would be even worse XD

 

[h00ligan]

@snaky time has nothing to do withit. Units sold does. And that has exploded in the last few Yeats hasn't it?

 

[2hvy4grvty]

I can see Apple allowing for at least an "option" to remove the superdrive for an optibay.

Or if one can dream, a second heatsink/fan cooling system a la LG P3xx.

 

[nfl46]

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It can get really expensive keeping up with laptop refreshes. We're talking about $1,000+ laptops. It's a lot different with buying a refreshed iPhone every year. There's no way I could keep up with the laptop refreshes. Way too expensive!

 

[Titanium81]

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It can get really expensive keeping up with laptop refreshes. We're talking about $1,000+ laptops. It's a lot different with buying a refreshed iPhone every year. There's no way I could keep up with the laptop refreshes. Way too expensive!

There is no need to keep up with or keep buying the latest release that Apple puts out. But IF you are looking to by a new one, you might want to see do research and see when the last release was and when the next one might becoming.... I'd hate to buy a NEW MacBook Pro, 1 Month before a Spec Bump Release or even worse a New Design Change

 

[randomrazr]

There is no need to keep up with or keep buying the latest release that Apple puts out. But IF you are looking to by a new one, you might want to see do research and see when the last release was and when the next one might becoming.... I'd hate to buy a NEW MacBook Pro, 1 Month before a Spec Bump Release or even worse a New Design Change

exacty why i bought mine now

 

[wegster]

@snaky time has nothing to do withit. Units sold does. And that has exploded in the last few Yeats hasn't it?

That's not entirely true in reality. Apple has a real investment in real $ on what it cost them to produce the first unibody designs, in design, in tooling and manufacturing real costs. Any changes cost real $, from the design engineers to update their CADs after consulting with usability and other types of folks, changes to the mobo layout, prototypes, etc. Granted, we would assume that relatively minor changes at this point are relatively low in cost, and they effectively have a few platforms that they could use as the basis - the current thicker pro unibodies, or the Air unibodies. Adding in an additional port compared to an entirely new chassis is a lot less $ by comparison to a complete yearly re-design, and we should know by now, most companies don't willingly throw out $ to reduce profit needlessly, unless they really think the $ gains can be worth it.

You're right in that units sold helps amortize those up-front R&D costs sooner, but I also wouldn't expect to see Apple go to a completely different design (compared to the Air or Pro chassis') without expecting it to survive at least 2 years or so. The more they can retain an existing 'chassis' the more profit, and look at the iphone and iPad, as well as the laptops - incremental changes to an almost identical platform over a period of time.

Of course, it is possible they consolidate on the Air or an Air-like chassis - lost the optical drive, improve the cooling (somewhat tough while making thinner, but at least they'll recover the optical drive slot, and drop down processor die size, a few slots on the bottom and larger heat sinks and pipes might do it)..

 

[h00ligan]

Your second paragraph is my point.
Keeping this simple and not discussing reduction of component costs. The bottom line is that a certain amount has to be reclaimed to move forward.

If it took seven years to turn 1 million on a design and the sale of one million devices, that's no different than turning 1 million in 2 years by selling 1.5 million devices.

Time is irrelevant, it's recouped cost and decided need.

I think we are mostly in agreement but the one main point is time doesn't matter. Money does.

 

[jimbo1mcm]

Man UP!!!

I'm not sure you can handle a MBP.

 

[joe8232]

Hi all,

I have been reading this thread with some interest. I have a 2009 macbook pro 13" 2.53 c2d and do a lot of coding in fortran (i'm an astronomer). Anyway, I have been thinking about updating my computer but held off for re-designs etc. Today my colleague let me run one of my codes on his 2010 15" 2.7ghz i7 and it finished in literally 15 minutes. On my machine it takes well over an hour and a half. I'm now very tempted to upgrade!!!

One question for you all, his is a 2.7ghz Dual core and the new machines are 2.0ghz quad core, since my code is single thread does that mean it will actually be slower on a new sandy bridge machine?

 

[snaky69]

Hi all,

I have been reading this thread with some interest. I have a 2009 macbook pro 13" 2.53 c2d and do a lot of coding in fortran (i'm an astronomer). Anyway, I have been thinking about updating my computer but held off for re-designs etc. Today my colleague let me run one of my codes on his 2010 15" 2.7ghz i7 and it finished in literally 15 minutes. On my machine it takes well over an hour and a half. I'm now very tempted to upgrade!!!

One question for you all, his is a 2.7ghz Dual core and the new machines are 2.0ghz quad core, since my code is single thread does that mean it will actually be slower on a new sandy bridge machine?

Don't forget the new sandy bridge can turbo boost, up to what, 3.1-3.3ghz or so?

 

[Vulcan]

So I visited an Apple Store today, and the specialist actually pulled up the MacRumors buyer's guide, told me that she thought the next revision would be a redesign, and suggested that I wait. I was a little surprised she said that, but I'm really feeling she's right. I think I'm going to wait and see what happens.

 

[Titanium81]

there wont be anything late 2011 LOL

You'd have to be a Noob (a slang term for a novice or newcomer, or somebody inexperienced), not to know that Apple's release cycle is 8 - 10 Months now for the MacBook Pro's. Thanks for playing though


Follow the Roadmap

http://motherboardnews.com/2011/04/...s-new-sandy-bridge-chips-ivy-bridge-and-more/


Q4 2011. This is where things start to get interesting as the LGA 1366/X58 platform gets phased out to make room for the enthusiast-grade Sandy Bridge-E (SNB-E) using the LGA 2011/X79 platform.

You don't need Ivy-Bridge Processors to release a new design, there is still faster Sandy-Bridge chips yet to be release!

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1204402/

Heres a thread.

It looks like there will be one at the end of this year. YES, it does make sense for to release a new one before next year, when have they ever waited a YEAR AND A HALF just for new processors? never.

So I visited an Apple Store today, and the specialist actually pulled up the MacRumors buyer's guide, told me that she thought the next revision would be a redesign, and suggested that I wait. I was a little surprised she said that, but I'm really feeling she's right. I think I'm going to wait and see what happens.

Even the Apple Store employees are saying that there is going to be a Late 2011 MacBook Pro Update/Redesign! I LOVE IT!

There is really no reason to argue or prove anything about this since we will ALL see it here in a few months!

I'd hate to by a MacBook Pro at the end of a Design Cycle. (Even though the internals of the current release are amazing 15" / 17")

 

[randomrazr]

Even the Apple Store employees are saying that there is going to be a Late 2011 MacBook Pro Update/Redesign! I LOVE IT!

There is really no reason to argue or prove anything about this since we will ALL see it here in a few months!

I'd hate to by a MacBook Pro at the end of a Design Cycle. (Even though the internals of the current release are amazing 15" / 17")

LOL the apple store employee looked at the mac rumors site. They know as much as we do. Just because an employee said it, doesn't mean anything.

Are you done yet? How bout we wait a few months and you can report back

 

[Ironsoccerman]

the macbook pros in 2010 were released in april. the 2011s were reelased in february. more than 10 months >.>.

and ur join date was june 2011, so yes thats why i refered u as noob.

in addition, if u want to wait, than wait. i could care less. im going to enjoy my powerful 15inch macbook pro. im heading to university this fall so having a computer now is a must have for college.

fall release date is to soon. espcially since the airs and imacs were released not to long ago, and the mini just recently.

there will be new macbook pros, but not till early next year. so if u want to wait till then , than have fun waiting.

Did you not read the other thread? It says that the NEW LAPTOPS FEATURING AN ULTRATHIN BODY WILL LIKELY BE READY BY THE HOLIDAY SEASON.

Hint: holiday season 2011 not 2013, or 2017, or even 2012. HOLIDAY SEASON 2011

 

[Ironsoccerman]

exacty why i bought mine now

You're just in denial. You dont want there to be a new one in the next three months or four. Every post of yours makes it painfully obvious that I'm right.

 

[Titanium81]

you're just in denial. You dont want there to be a new one in the next three months or four. Every post of yours makes it painfully obvious that i'm right.

+1

 

[wegster]

Did you not read the other thread? It says that the NEW LAPTOPS FEATURING AN ULTRATHIN BODY WILL LIKELY BE READY BY THE HOLIDAY SEASON.

Hint: holiday season 2011 not 2013, or 2017, or even 2012. HOLIDAY SEASON 2011

Because teh interwebs are always right, right?

We'll see. I could see them doing a 15" 'Air,' but that's not the same as a full refresh of significance of the Pro lineup; that's unlikely to happen until Ivy Bridge. A new Apple release pre-holidays makes sense, but if they refresh the entire lineup before Ivy Bridge, it's unlikely to have too many current pro owners looking to upgrade, IMO...unless they really wanted an Air in the first place.

 

[bigpoppamac31]

If new Ivy Bridge processors are supposed to come out early next year then it wouldn't make sense for Apple to do a refresh before the holidays and early next year (April?) as well. It's too close together. Even a "speed bump" wouldn't entirely make sense but that's just me.

I have a Macbook (late 2006) which I'm giving away to my brother since he doesn't have a computer at all which means I will then be the one without a laptop. I'm looking to grab one of the new current ones but don't know if I should settle for a 13" MBP now and use it to trade up to a much better 15" in a year or so or just go for the 15" I ultimately want (high end with high res anti-glare) from the current line up.

 

[randomrazr]

You're just in denial. You dont want there to be a new one in the next three months or four. Every post of yours makes it painfully obvious that I'm right.

+1

whats noobs

The current design isn't yet 3 years old. The previous, non-unibody design stayed with the powerbook and macbook pros, nearly unchanged, for 7 years. Yeah, that's right, 7 years.

Machining a laptop out of a solid chunk of aluminum requires very expensive equipment, and doing it on a large scale even more so, I can't see Apple who just spent a few million dollars(probably in the hundreds) in R&D for the new process would switch to a "new and thinner design". The machine and R&D don't pay for themselves.

Think about it, it is their Pro laptops, making it thinner would make Apple have to compromise even more hardware wise, which could turn a lot of potential buyers off, it makes no business sense for them to reduce the power of their laptops in exchange for a thinner design, just when they gave us the most powerful macbook pro's to date.

I don't see any new MBP's until early 2012 when Ivy Bridge is out, and I don't believe it won't be much more than a spec bump.

 

[Ironsoccerman]

whats noobs

The current design isn't yet 3 years old. The previous, non-unibody design stayed with the powerbook and macbook pros, nearly unchanged, for 7 years. Yeah, that's right, 7 years.

Machining a laptop out of a solid chunk of aluminum requires very expensive equipment, and doing it on a large scale even more so, I can't see Apple who just spent a few million dollars(probably in the hundreds) in R&D for the new process would switch to a "new and thinner design". The machine and R&D don't pay for themselves.

Think about it, it is their Pro laptops, making it thinner would make Apple have to compromise even more hardware wise, which could turn a lot of potential buyers off, it makes no business sense for them to reduce the power of their laptops in exchange for a thinner design, just when they gave us the most powerful macbook pro's to date.

I don't see any new MBP's until early 2012 when Ivy Bridge is out, and I don't believe it won't be much more than a spec bump.

Ha just because youve been on these forums for what.. 6 or 7 months more than us makes you think you have the right to call us noobs? HAHAHA

And what makes you think youre OPINION is any more valid than just about every rumor website around? NO

 

[Ironsoccerman]

+1

+2

 

[Vulcan]

If new Ivy Bridge processors are supposed to come out early next year then it wouldn't make sense for Apple to do a refresh before the holidays and early next year (April?) as well. It's too close together. Even a "speed bump" wouldn't entirely make sense but that's just me.

I have a Macbook (late 2006) which I'm giving away to my brother since he doesn't have a computer at all which means I will then be the one without a laptop. I'm looking to grab one of the new current ones but don't know if I should settle for a 13" MBP now and use it to trade up to a much better 15" in a year or so or just go for the 15" I ultimately want (high end with high res anti-glare) from the current line up.

Some people are saying that ivy bridge won't be shipping until mid next year. If this is true, that would push the update far past Apple's 215 day average. An update in January would be around the latest Apple could update and still stay within ~315 days (near the highest they ever went without an update).

whats noobs

The current design isn't yet 3 years old. The previous, non-unibody design stayed with the powerbook and macbook pros, nearly unchanged, for 7 years. Yeah, that's right, 7 years.

Machining a laptop out of a solid chunk of aluminum requires very expensive equipment, and doing it on a large scale even more so, I can't see Apple who just spent a few million dollars(probably in the hundreds) in R&D for the new process would switch to a "new and thinner design". The machine and R&D don't pay for themselves.

Think about it, it is their Pro laptops, making it thinner would make Apple have to compromise even more hardware wise, which could turn a lot of potential buyers off, it makes no business sense for them to reduce the power of their laptops in exchange for a thinner design, just when they gave us the most powerful macbook pro's to date.

I don't see any new MBP's until early 2012 when Ivy Bridge is out, and I don't believe it won't be much more than a spec bump.

Where are you getting seven years from? Apple released the aluminum Powerbook G4 design in 2003 and then virtually discontinued it in 2008 with the release of the 15" unibody MacBook. That's five years.

I'm betting most of the extra space would come from the removal of the Superdrive. Removing that would certainly allow them to make things thinner.