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A couple questions: Is the new 9.7 using a different type of RAM than the Air 2? Also, I noticed on the GeekBench graph @ZBoater posted, the A9X multi-core memory score is a good bit higher than the Air 2. What does that mean?
 
A couple questions: Is the new 9.7 using a different type of RAM than the Air 2? Also, I noticed on the GeekBench graph @ZBoater posted, the A9X multi-core memory score is a good bit higher than the Air 2.

Highly unlikely it isn't exactly the same as iPad Air 2


Apple loves reusing parts
 
What does it matter how old a product is as long as the performance is up to par with the current model. Especially when the price difference is more like 250$ when you factor in what you could get a refurb ipad air 2 direct from apple for. That's like saying " I wont buy a 2014 Honda civic because even though its much cheaper, looks identical, and basically performs the same as a 2015 model, its still a year older..."

to be fair cars change little year to year most years until a big refresh.

But by your theory no one would buy the 2015 then until the 2014s were sold out; but that is generally far from the case until they deeply deeply discount the older model and you get the right buyer more concerned about the price than the car itself.
 
A couple questions: Is the new 9.7 using a different type of RAM than the Air 2? Also, I noticed on the GeekBench graph @ZBoater posted, the A9X multi-core memory score is a good bit higher than the Air 2.
The Geekbench graph is inaccurate. Did you read my response?
 
Says who? You?

LOL!
Says photographic evidence.
https://mobile.twitter.com/panzer/status/712331691579219968/photo/2

LOL!

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Pro 9.7" display is:

25% Brighter
25% Wider Colour Gamut
40% Less Reflective
True Tone (To some may be a gimmick but can be turned off so there if you want it)
Photo Aligned

And the same thing was said about the Air 2.

But the Air 2 screen actually had a physical improvement - the digitiser and LCD were laminated and fused together.

To me at least, what you're saying doesn't mean anything before the product is actually out.
 
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Says photographic evidence.
https://mobile.twitter.com/panzer/status/712331691579219968/photo/2

LOL!
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And the same thing was said about the Air 2.

But the Air 2 screen actually had a physical improvement - the digitiser and LCD were laminated and fused together.

To me at least, what you're saying doesn't mean anything.

No it wasn't, sure that was the first time they added an antireflective coating to the display and fused the 3 layers into 1 layer to make the screen better and eliminate air gap. Nothing else was said about the display when they were showing off the Air 2.

Everyone could say the same thing and it still wouldn't mean anything to you on this topic. Sorry but it seems your just here to be critical of a new product. Don't like it, don't buy it. Let others make up their minds for themselves.
 
And what am I supposed to be looking at that the Ars Technica reviewers missed?
Without physical evidence from those reviewers, it doesn't matter what they say.

The picture clearly shows that the actual score as far as proof goes, is around 100 points lower than that graph.
 
Without physical evidence from those reviewers, it doesn't matter what they say.

The picture clearly shows that the actual score as far as proof goes, is around 100 points lower than that graph.

100 points? Is that what you are complaining about???

You do realize that these tests have a very small variance, right? The point here is the difference between the new Pro and the Air 20, almost 15% in multi core.

+/- 100 points of course. Geez
 
No it wasn't, sure that was the first time they added an antireflective coating to the display and fused the 3 layers into 1 layer to make the screen better and eliminate air gap. Nothing else was said about the display when they were showing off the Air 2.

Everyone could say the same thing and it still wouldn't mean anything to you on this topic. Sorry but it seems your just here to be critical of a new product. Don't like it, don't buy it. Let others make up their minds for themselves.
Just a few minutes ago I recommended the Pro 9.7 to a guy who was a graphic designer and planned on getting a medium sized tablet to draw on.

And by 'no it wasn't' are you saying it wasn't a physical improvement? Do you even know what you're saying?

Excuse me for criticising a RAM crippled overpriced product though!
/sarcasm
 
Just a few minutes ago I recommended the Pro 9.7 to a guy who was a graphic designer and planned on getting a medium sized tablet to draw on.

And by 'no it wasn't' are you saying it wasn't a physical improvement? Do you even know what you're saying?

Excuse me for criticising a RAM crippled overpriced product though!
/sarcasm

By 'No it wasn't' I meant that the same things which I listed earlier (25% brighter, etc) were not said about the Air 2.
 
100 points? Is that what you are complaining about???

You do realize that these tests have a very small variance, right? The point here is the difference between the new Pro and the Air 20, almost 15% in multi core.

+/- 100 points of course. Geez
When the difference is <600 points, 100 points make a big difference!

Again, it isn't accurate without proof - the device isn't released yet!
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By 'No it wasn't' I meant that the same things which I listed earlier (25% brighter, etc) were not said about the Air 2.
We'll have to wait and see.

I'm betting on there being no visible difference, though.
 
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LOOK AT THE BIG PICTURE, take off the apple shades and pay attention to everyday use metrics, not some geekbench scores which in theory paint little to no picture because or the marginal gains as to how the device will function for day to to day basic use as most of you will use it. If you don't NEED the pencil then there will be no difference in daily use. So just say it! You are buying it because you have money burning a hole in your pocket and regardless of what apple would of released, you were going to justify the purchase because you have been waiting to upgrade and you are dying to spend the money. TRUTH!
 
LOOK AT THE BIG PICTURE, take off the apple shades and pay attention to everyday use metrics, not some geekbench scores which in theory paint little to no picture because or the marginal gains as to how the device will function for day to to day basic use as most of you will use it. If you don't NEED the pencil then there will be no difference in daily use. So just say it! You are buying it because you have money burning a hole in your pocket and regardless of what apple would of released, you were going to justify the purchase because you have been waiting to upgrade and you are dying to spend the money. TRUTH!
EXACTLY! Some people just don't understand!
 
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What does it matter how old a product is as long as the performance is up to par with the current model. Especially when the price difference is more like 250$ when you factor in what you could get a refurb ipad air 2 direct from apple for. That's like saying " I wont buy a 2014 Honda civic because even though its much cheaper, looks identical, and basically performs the same as a 2015 model, its still a year older..."

You genuinely think that technology changes at the same snail's pace of a car? 1.5 years is a full cycle of Moore's Law - and if you factor that into the car equation - e.g., buying a 1.5 yo Civic (yuk) that gets 35 MPG or buying a 2016 Civic that gets 70MPG, is more powerful, has clearer glass all around, and a higher quality sound system - you bet your tiny little internet bottom I'd buy the 2016.

I never said I was right and you were wrong, and unlike other good folks in this thread I'm not casting silly aspersions and name calling. I merely noted why I bought the new Pro... you don't agree with me and that's fine; lighten up. If price is more important to you that getting one full update cycle, by all means go buy it; hell, buy what you want anyway. :)
 
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You genuinely think that technology changes at the same snail's pace of a car? 1.5 years is a full cycle of Moore's Law - and if you factor that into the car equation - e.g., buying a 1.5 yo Civic (yuk) that gets 35 MPG or buying a 2016 Civic that gets 70MPG - you bet your tiny little internet bottom I'd buy the 2016.

I never said I was right and you were wrong, and unlike other good folks in this thread I'm not casting silly aspersions and name calling. I stated why I bought the new Pro... lighten up you two. If price is more import to you that getting one full update cycle, by all means go buy it; hell, buy what you want anyway. :)
Admit it, you would of bought it even if was the same specs as the Air 2 plus pencil support. That money must be burning a hole in you're pocket.
 
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None until Apple drops support for features in the new OS versions; ala Air 1 no multitasking. Yes I get it's a RAM issue, but things aren't quite as smooth on iOS9 on an iPAd 3 or 4 or even Air 1.
We currently have the iPad 3, 4 and Air in the household. They run surprisingly well on iOS 9 (smoother than iOS 7/8 at any rate). The iPad 3 was just too laggy on iOS 7/8. Then again, even when first purchased, it didn't run quite as smooth as the older iPad 2 with lower resolution. The A5X just wasn't enough for smooth operation with the Retina display. The iPad 4 has handled firmware updates just as well as the Air. Maybe even better as the 32-bit iPad 4 seems to be more efficient at handling RAM than the 64-bit Air.

Even the iPhones have been holding up pretty well. Dad still uses my old iPhone 5 and mom my 5s and there's no noticeable stutter or lag on either.

I think at this point in time, we're starting to see diminishing returns when it comes to mobile processor upgrades. Sure, faster CPU/GPU would still benefit games and advanced software (e.g. photo/video editing, etc). However, for your basic web browsing, email, ebooks, YouTube, Netflix, performance has started to plateau.

Another thing, I buy devices because they can do what I want them to do now with current software available. If future firmware updates gives them more features, then that's just a bonus. If there's something I really want in a newer device that my current device doesn't have or do, then that's when I'll buy a new device. To me, it makes no sense to buy a device now for some unknown future feature when I can likely buy a better, faster device for cheaper in the future.

As for resale value being better if you upgrade frequently, I'd probably get better ROI if I used money for the upgrade to buy some AAPL shares.

iPad 2: first iPad
iPad 3: bought for Retina display
iPad 4: bought for 128GB
iPad Air: bought for universal LTE (needed it for upcoming travel)
iPad Pro 9.7": bought for 256GB
 
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I disagree there are other worthwhile features besides the pencil support. Even coming from an Air 2 it's worth considering the new Pro.
You'll do anything to justify that new Apple product, won't you?
 
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