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iPad Pro Upgraded 12.9" iPad Pro Coming September?
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Maybe to add an escape button on the AKS?...or does it already has it and cannot find it? If you go on tweetbot and open a photo in full screen from a tweet... then if you hold down cmd button it says that there is an esc option... But where is it?
I'm still having trouble deciding to buy an ipad pro you see I want to buy one but sooooo many reviewers are saying that having iOS on a larger ipad is useless as the apps are not full desktop apps and I'm hoping with the iPad Pro 2 they make some adjustments by making it more similar to MacOS. Am I being to optimistic. Should I just go and buy one?
I don't see iOS changing to an OS X like operating system anytime soon.
Useless depends on how you want to use it. It's not a desktop computer. I don't do anything even remotely productive on mine- mostly "consumption" type things. I love the big screen and like it with iOS.
My suggestion is that if you want it to be a desktop or laptop, don't get one. If you want a big screen with iOS and if you are familiar with its capabilities and limitations, then you essentially know what you are getting.
I hope that helps a little.
Useless depends on how you want to use it. It's not a desktop computer. I don't do anything even remotely productive on mine- mostly "consumption" type things. I love the big screen and like it with iOS.
My suggestion is that if you want it to be a desktop or laptop, don't get one. If you want a big screen with iOS and if you are familiar with its capabilities and limitations, then you essentially know what you are getting.
I hope that helps a little.
There is nothing inherent in the current hardware of the iPad Pro that prevents Apple from making improvements to iOS to be better suited for the iPad Pro. In other words, Apple could optimize iOS without the need to release updated hardware.
Even with the current capabilities of iOS and apps, the larger iPad Pro offers 4GB RAM, a larger keyboard (cover), split-window multitasking that is like having two 9.7 iPads in portrait mode side-by-side. These are no small things for people who are looking to make the most out of the iOS user experience.
There hasn't been a sale on them in a while, but if you are interested in one I'd recommend keeping a look-out for a sale and then jump on it. The current iPad Pro is a beast (in the good sense of that word).
Thanks for the advice. Ik it's a beast haha ya i guess I'll stick with it and see how it goes.
The 256 is amazing, I've both the 9.7 & 12.9" models in 256GB & it's definitely worth the up charge, regardless. I think if you look around a bit you will find a better deal,maybe a hundred bucks over the 128GB model
Why would you 'need'a A10x? And what is minimally parity in display & comm capabilities? I have both and I dig the two tone feature on my 9.7" but there's 'zero' wrongs with its larger sibling's display- and I have used the hell out of both, yet to find the A9X limits. I use mine for my business and have had no issues with 'communications' - in fact the 12.9" model includes USB 3 - while the 9.7's still using USB 2 I/O on the camera/USB connection. I also see a significantly faster read and write response on the larger model when updating or downloading new apps. As far as I know, they're already at parity on communications and with double the RAM in the 12.9" - you'll be hard pressed to find an app that doesn't function as you'd expect with its current configurations. Actually, in my experience, I'm constantly being more satisfied with their performance. Sorry to hear your not excited, I just can't believe how well they're both doing with my workflow and daily usage.
As always, ymmv
J
I honestly do not expect Apple to update the 12.9 this Fall and not sure they would update it next Spring because I am inclined to think True Tone is not going to be something artists (who value color accuracy) or enterprise software users are going to care about, so I just bought a 12.9 today.
That being said, if they do add True Tone, it is something I am not overly interested in so I will still be very happy with my unit (which is lovely).
That being said, if they do add True Tone, it is something I am not overly interested in so I will still be very happy with my unit (which is lovely).
When the 9.7 iPad was introduced, I researched its specifications and determined that it has some features that I would want to see included in the 12.9 inch iPad Pro I plan to purchase.
Communication Features. “For ultimate flexibility, the new 9.7‑inch iPad Pro features both an embedded Apple SIM (footnote 1) and a tray for a standard carrier SIM. And, because of LTE Advanced, the 9.7-inch iPad Pro enables up to 50 percent faster cellular connections.(footnote 2)”
9.7'' Supports 23 LTE bands Up to 300 Mbps via LTE Advanced
12.9'' Supports 20 LTE bands Up to 150 Mbps via LTE
(The “Apple SIM” appears to be an effort to recognize that its customers may only require cellular service periodically, to acknowledge that people travel internationally and may not want to be “carrier bound” in terms of their choices when they travel, and to stir the market for ad hoc wireless service.)
Cameras. “The 9.7‑inch iPad Pro comes with a 12‑megapixel iSight camera, which can capture 4K video, 240‑fps slo-mo videos, and Live Photos. It’s also the first iPad with True Tone flash, so skin tones look great regardless of lighting.”
“Things are sharper on the other side of iPad Pro, too. The front-facing FaceTime HD camera’s latest sensor makes video calls more lifelike. And on the 9.7-inch iPad Pro, the 5-megapixel FaceTime HD camera features Retina Flash with True Tone for gorgeous selfies.”
9.7'' 12MP iSight camera 5MP FaceTime HD camera
12.9'' 8MP iSight camera 1.2MP FaceTime HD camera
(Readying myself for predictable lecture about how anyone using the iPad for photography……. Personally I like having as high quality a Facetime conversation with family, friends, and business associates. Please, suit yourself about your own needs and wants.)
Wide Color Gamut. “The 9.7-inch iPad Pro display uses the same color space as the digital cinema industry. This wider color gamut gives iPad Pro up to 25 percent greater color saturation than previous iPad models. So colors are more vivid, true to life, and engaging.”
(This is the same color gamut that is becoming a standard for 4K digital television.)
True Tone Display. “9.7‑inch iPad Pro has a True Tone display. It uses advanced four-channel ambient light sensors to automatically adapt the color and intensity of the display to match the light in your environment. Which means reading is more natural and comfortable — almost like looking at a sheet of paper.”
(This feature doesn’t show well in any demonstration I have ever seen. And yet I prefer having it as an option. Why? I want it as an option because I have participated in a controlled scientific experiment where eyes perceive “what paper white looks like” based on the ambient light. It takes time for eyes to adjust to ambient light and most people who have complained that this feature distorts true color 1) have never taken part in a lighting experiment where the color temperature of ambient light can be adjusted by the researcher, or 2) have seen the feature on the Apple Web site where the a) there is an ability to distinguish between the heavily blue shifted background (which most people prefer) to the red shifted background (which is shown against the ultra white Web background. I could go on but these reasons suffice.)
A10X. In terms of my hope about the A10X I’m glad you are ok with the A9X. There are several photographic and video editing programs which are under development. They haven’t been released as yet and that may have to do with any number of things: 1) needed development and testing time, 2) need to wait for additional processing power, 3) need for some iOS features that are pending, or 4) waiting for iPP sales to reach a certain threshold. My guess, and it is only that, is that developers of those programs which are important to me will want a processor with state of the art performance to show their applications in the best light. In the next month or so Apple will release an iPhone 7 with an A10 processor. That processor is expected 1) to have higher performance and 2) given its smaller geometry to offer the possibility of requiring less power which may translate into longer battery life. I expect to keep the iPad Pro 12.9 that I purchase for five years and I want a device that has the potential benefit of the “second system” benefit. I am aware as someone who has spent a life in IT that it can work the other way and that a “second system” can introduce problems of its own.
I’m glad you are happy with your iPad Pro. My posting stated what is important to me, not to you. I don’t know what you want or need. You don’t know what I want or what I need. Good luck to us all.
I hesitated to write this earlier as Apple hadn’t put so much information all in one place. The current site really does a good job of spelling things out. Note: as we all know, the link below and my comments about the content are time dependent. The content available was in place as of 8/11/2016 at 5:45PM ET US
All quotes refer to the source: http://www.apple.com/ipad-pro/
- Embedded Apple SIM in iPad Pro (9.7-inch) may be disabled when purchased from some carriers. See your carrier for details. Apple SIM and embedded Apple SIM are not available in China.
- Data plan required. LTE Advanced, LTE, and Wi-Fi calling are available in select markets and through select carriers. Speeds are based on theoretical throughput and vary based on site conditions and carrier. For details on LTE support, contact your carrier and see www.apple.com/ipad/LTE.
Got it all planned out I see
So you are just speculating all of that?
I really don't care about the camera like why would you need to take pictures on a tablet when you have a phone with the same quality pictures!!
The thing I do care about is the upgraded processor.
There have been many rumors claiming apple may not have the A10x chip ready until March 2017.
I really don't hope that's the case.
Do you believe it will arrive this fall?
Hey Andrew,
Thanks for your reply. I was clarifying why I hope for the A10X. That is speculation on my part. Apple has always put the new processor in the phone and then separately and later developed the "X" processor for the iPad so to hope for a simultaneous introduction of A10 processors this Fall is a hope for a departure from what has been.
My hope is based on Apple's marketing which began with the introduction of the 12.9 IPP focusing on the iPad as a replacement for a computer/laptop. That drumbeat has only become stronger with a statement last year by Tim Cook that he only carries the iPad, statements by various Apple executives that the IPP would make a good computer, statements (some of which have been debunked) that the A9 is a laptop class processor. It excels in a few areas but overall doesn't achieve parity with Intel or AMD's processors. And, now TV advertising released during the Olympics that hits hard on the IPP as a computer. I can't recall the product or the company but one of the Photoshop wannabes has indicated that they have an app in development and testing that will perform on a par with Photoshop on a computer on the iPP; it seems to be set for release later this year or next year, perhaps in conjunction with new hardware/software by Apple.
People often speculate on whether Apple will introduce a product based on the disruption to the most recent purchasers of the antecedent Apple product as if such purchases of products aren't meeting real needs for those allegedly "restive" and perennially unsatisfied customers. Apple has a good history or supporting products for their economic life so it is not a good argument that Apple has "done something" to customers by introducing new products. I don't believe that Apple customers always find themselves in an endless cycle of "buyer's remorse" at not having in their possession the latest and greatest. In any event whether they do or not I don't think it is a successful business strategy for Apple to drive its business based on that perception of its market. We who find Apple products useful are not about to walk away because Apple introduces a new product "too soon".
On the other hand I do hope that Apple looks at the overall market and considers that it might play a disruptive role among the multitude that either can't or won't upgrade to Windows 10. I fall in the first category for one of my computers. Yes I have a Windows machine. I also have Apple computers that pre-date the Macintosh. I also have a Windows workstation class laptop that due to its idiosyncratic hardware can't achieve a clean install of Windows 10 with off the shelf drivers. Many more Windows customers just won't upgrade. I think the time has arrived for Apple either to stand and deliver on the rhetoric of this IPP can replace your laptop/computer with whatever that means (e.g. a file system that can either be exposed or not exposed so that those who can't get over the need for a file system (no judgement here) can be brought aboard easily). In my opinion it means one more processor bump and some changes to iOS which target the IPPs, "possibly" including the filesystem issue.
The other and rather lengthy part of my post came in response to the statement "And what is minimally parity in display & comm capabilities". There are differences between the IPPs and the more advanced features of the 9.7. I observed those upon the 9.7s introduction and those features at a minimum are what I want but in a 12.9 form factor. I work on a 15" laptop and 12.9 will test my ability to get done what I do with that configuration. But I love what my iPad 2 has done for me in terms of portability and I am willing to put the question of whether 12.9 can get it done for me to the test.
Parting thought. I also hope that Apple will make an introduction this Fall because Apple like others in the industry, notably Intel, seem to be chaotic phase of product introductions. Intel's "tick tock" which used to drive sales is no more. And Apple's product introduction cycles including that for the MacBook Pro have also been disrupted. If there are to be new product introduction cycles there need to be new business models as the computer industry as a whole has been wed to a very fast upgrade/replacement cycle which I am not sure is sustainable in its present form. I don't think that maintaining disparities in features among IPPs helps drive sales. I think it retards it. Imagine a marketing type saying, "If they want those features they can buy a 9.7. Oh wait a minute if they do that we will make less money."
Everyone's mileage varies. Good luck to all.
Thanks for your reply. I was clarifying why I hope for the A10X. That is speculation on my part. Apple has always put the new processor in the phone and then separately and later developed the "X" processor for the iPad so to hope for a simultaneous introduction of A10 processors this Fall is a hope for a departure from what has been.
My hope is based on Apple's marketing which began with the introduction of the 12.9 IPP focusing on the iPad as a replacement for a computer/laptop. That drumbeat has only become stronger with a statement last year by Tim Cook that he only carries the iPad, statements by various Apple executives that the IPP would make a good computer, statements (some of which have been debunked) that the A9 is a laptop class processor. It excels in a few areas but overall doesn't achieve parity with Intel or AMD's processors. And, now TV advertising released during the Olympics that hits hard on the IPP as a computer. I can't recall the product or the company but one of the Photoshop wannabes has indicated that they have an app in development and testing that will perform on a par with Photoshop on a computer on the iPP; it seems to be set for release later this year or next year, perhaps in conjunction with new hardware/software by Apple.
People often speculate on whether Apple will introduce a product based on the disruption to the most recent purchasers of the antecedent Apple product as if such purchases of products aren't meeting real needs for those allegedly "restive" and perennially unsatisfied customers. Apple has a good history or supporting products for their economic life so it is not a good argument that Apple has "done something" to customers by introducing new products. I don't believe that Apple customers always find themselves in an endless cycle of "buyer's remorse" at not having in their possession the latest and greatest. In any event whether they do or not I don't think it is a successful business strategy for Apple to drive its business based on that perception of its market. We who find Apple products useful are not about to walk away because Apple introduces a new product "too soon".
On the other hand I do hope that Apple looks at the overall market and considers that it might play a disruptive role among the multitude that either can't or won't upgrade to Windows 10. I fall in the first category for one of my computers. Yes I have a Windows machine. I also have Apple computers that pre-date the Macintosh. I also have a Windows workstation class laptop that due to its idiosyncratic hardware can't achieve a clean install of Windows 10 with off the shelf drivers. Many more Windows customers just won't upgrade. I think the time has arrived for Apple either to stand and deliver on the rhetoric of this IPP can replace your laptop/computer with whatever that means (e.g. a file system that can either be exposed or not exposed so that those who can't get over the need for a file system (no judgement here) can be brought aboard easily). In my opinion it means one more processor bump and some changes to iOS which target the IPPs, "possibly" including the filesystem issue.
The other and rather lengthy part of my post came in response to the statement "And what is minimally parity in display & comm capabilities". There are differences between the IPPs and the more advanced features of the 9.7. I observed those upon the 9.7s introduction and those features at a minimum are what I want but in a 12.9 form factor. I work on a 15" laptop and 12.9 will test my ability to get done what I do with that configuration. But I love what my iPad 2 has done for me in terms of portability and I am willing to put the question of whether 12.9 can get it done for me to the test.
Parting thought. I also hope that Apple will make an introduction this Fall because Apple like others in the industry, notably Intel, seem to be chaotic phase of product introductions. Intel's "tick tock" which used to drive sales is no more. And Apple's product introduction cycles including that for the MacBook Pro have also been disrupted. If there are to be new product introduction cycles there need to be new business models as the computer industry as a whole has been wed to a very fast upgrade/replacement cycle which I am not sure is sustainable in its present form. I don't think that maintaining disparities in features among IPPs helps drive sales. I think it retards it. Imagine a marketing type saying, "If they want those features they can buy a 9.7. Oh wait a minute if they do that we will make less money."
Everyone's mileage varies. Good luck to all.
I'm new to posting on the forums and ipad shopping, so forgive me if I say some something stupid.
I'm sensing 3 options here.... I'll list them in what's most like to happen first based on all posts in thread.
1. Both ipad pros get a proper upgrade in March of 2017. Processors, thinner, true tone, etc... (Basis is that Ipad shouldn't draw attention away from iphone 7, it hasn't been too long since 9.7 release)
2. Both ipad pros get a proper upgrade in sept-Nov 2016. Processors, thinner, true tone, etc... (Basis is that it's been a year since ipad pro 12.9 release, the ipads should have more power and same features as the iphone 7, and they need to get both ipad pros on the same schedule again)
3. Only Ipad pro 12.9 gets a small catchup upgrade to 9.7 ipad in sept/Oct/Nov 2016 then both get proper uphgraded in March 2016. (basis that kind of the same as the first option, but just add in that apple needs to make the 12.9 look as appealing as the 9.7 for awhile.)
Does this sound accurate?
I want a pro 12.9 really bad right now, but I don't want to get it if it's about to be upgraded.
I'm sensing 3 options here.... I'll list them in what's most like to happen first based on all posts in thread.
1. Both ipad pros get a proper upgrade in March of 2017. Processors, thinner, true tone, etc... (Basis is that Ipad shouldn't draw attention away from iphone 7, it hasn't been too long since 9.7 release)
2. Both ipad pros get a proper upgrade in sept-Nov 2016. Processors, thinner, true tone, etc... (Basis is that it's been a year since ipad pro 12.9 release, the ipads should have more power and same features as the iphone 7, and they need to get both ipad pros on the same schedule again)
3. Only Ipad pro 12.9 gets a small catchup upgrade to 9.7 ipad in sept/Oct/Nov 2016 then both get proper uphgraded in March 2016. (basis that kind of the same as the first option, but just add in that apple needs to make the 12.9 look as appealing as the 9.7 for awhile.)
Does this sound accurate?
I want a pro 12.9 really bad right now, but I don't want to get it if it's about to be upgraded.
On point
So basically right now we have no idea what's going to happen except for the evidence of some bad quality leaked photos of a 12GB iPad Pro 2.
I want one really badly too haha
I think after September 7th comes and there's nothing in heading to the apple store.
So I didn't plan on buying an iPad Pro 12.9 then I saw the announcement event and I was hooked I knew right away it was going to change the way I computed going from MacBook Pro 15 inch 2015 Tuna iPad Pro 12.9 inch and I haven't looked back since and I use it every day with the smart keyboard and occasionally use the Apple pencil to doodle
"IF" apple doesn't announce ipad pro 12.9 v.2 in sept..or october....or whatever...we will recognize either:
1) those people who actually wait will wait further.
2) Will feel miserable..but will buy it. (which isn't a bad ipad pro anyway)
or
3) aren't serious buyers.
1) those people who actually wait will wait further.
2) Will feel miserable..but will buy it. (which isn't a bad ipad pro anyway)
or
3) aren't serious buyers.
For anyone who's interested I did a poll to see if people believe apple will release an iPad in September and the results were about 50 50:
https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...nch-in-september.1985755/page-2#post-23228491
https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...nch-in-september.1985755/page-2#post-23228491
A poll is just a poll, it doesn't mean anything, it does not carry any weight, it doesn't mean it's going to come out, we just have to wait and see what Apple delivers.
Peoples opinions do help as they may have a better understanding of product release dates than you or I do.
I guess it is kind of hard to determine still.
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I just got a 12.9 iPad Pro 256GB Space Grey yesterday and I freaking love this thing. It is replacing my MBP for day-to-day use for personal use. I LOVE the keyboard and how I can sit with it on my legs and the iPad doesn't topple over and it stays in place while I bang away at the keyboard.
I've had iPads for years but never used them because I do a lot of typing and looooong typing so it never worked as I have huge hands and never could do the touch keyboard like I could with my MBP keyboard or the thumbs on my iPhone Plus.
This is the first time I feel I can put away my MBP for heavy uses and managing my iTunes library and leave the web browsing, email, social networking, and entertainment consumption to an iPad. The Smart Keyboard is to thank for that. Granted the big screen also, but the keyboard was going to make or break this device for me. And it doesn't have to be on a desk or flat surface. I can sit in my recliner with my legs up in my lap and it's perfectly stationary.
I knew going into the Apple store yesterday the possibility of an iPad Pro 2 but I'm an impatient man and I'm a guy who changes iPhones every year so it didn't matter that a new one might (keyword) be around the corner, I wanted one. Lol Delayed gratification has never worked for me, sadly. But you know what - I couldn't ask for more from the current iPad Pro hardware. The new iOS's to come will hopefully add features to the software and hopefully Apple won't restrict that to the 2 and not the original, or I'll have a **** fit.
I've had iPads for years but never used them because I do a lot of typing and looooong typing so it never worked as I have huge hands and never could do the touch keyboard like I could with my MBP keyboard or the thumbs on my iPhone Plus.
This is the first time I feel I can put away my MBP for heavy uses and managing my iTunes library and leave the web browsing, email, social networking, and entertainment consumption to an iPad. The Smart Keyboard is to thank for that. Granted the big screen also, but the keyboard was going to make or break this device for me. And it doesn't have to be on a desk or flat surface. I can sit in my recliner with my legs up in my lap and it's perfectly stationary.
I knew going into the Apple store yesterday the possibility of an iPad Pro 2 but I'm an impatient man and I'm a guy who changes iPhones every year so it didn't matter that a new one might (keyword) be around the corner, I wanted one. Lol Delayed gratification has never worked for me, sadly. But you know what - I couldn't ask for more from the current iPad Pro hardware. The new iOS's to come will hopefully add features to the software and hopefully Apple won't restrict that to the 2 and not the original, or I'll have a **** fit.
I highly doubt there will be another refresh this year. Rumors not long ago were that Apple was likely going to a two year refresh cycle with the iPP, and that makes a lot of sense to me when you consider how overpowered the 12.9" iPP was in the first place. It doesn't really have much that could be refreshed at this point, so why bother?
I doubt that as well. The entire iPad line is clearly on the backburner at Apple, as they demonstrated with iOS 10. Fanless, lightweight laptops like the MacBook or the much cheaper Asus UX305/UX360 might take over the tablet role in the future.
Ditto !
I bought myself a Mid 2014 MacBook Pro a year and a half ago, and I thought I would really need it for what I do with it (Not a smart move on my part), but boy was I ever surprised after buying my first iPad Pro 12 inch that I could have saved over $1000 with this iPad Pro over the MacBook Pro. It suits my needs in every way. I will never go back to a MacBook Pro. I am now getting used to the the pro and it is really not that difficult, just need a little patience. Yes, there are some things that I miss such as the mouse, but I do hope that Apple will come to there collective senses and supply us with a means to use a mouse sometime in the future.
Does this article determine for certaon that therr will not be a September launch?
https://www.macrumors.com/2016/08/15/kuo-10-5-ipad-pro-2017/
https://www.macrumors.com/2016/08/15/kuo-10-5-ipad-pro-2017/