What a cynical view.No. The U.S. government is tasked with protecting American citizens and making sure American companies are able to compete on a fair and equal basis in the global economy.
What a cynical view.No. The U.S. government is tasked with protecting American citizens and making sure American companies are able to compete on a fair and equal basis in the global economy.
Better in what way? I can think of many ways the U.S. government is better than the CCP, if for none other than the U.S. government is restrained by our Constitution. Although the U.S. is not at the forefront of data privacy and protection, there are at least some laws and amendments that act in my favor here, as opposed to how my data is obtained and used by other foreign governments.
Your response is a non-sequitur. As the saying goes, "All is fair in love and war." In regards to national security, the competition between nations to collection each other's data falls under cyber warfare.
Exactly. The US should be passing privacy laws, that are enforced uniformly to all companies doing business in the US. POTUS picking and choosing who to target because they ruined his rally is not a good precedence and legally questionable. Trump gets his sound bite (I'm doing something against China), but in the scheme of things TikTok is a bit player in privacy related data collection. It just so happens that TikTok was used to go after Trump.
Make no mistake, if Trump could find could issue an EO and plausible excuse to take down Twitter, he would that also.
The problem with Tik Tok is they probably aren't giving the info to the US Government like other tech companies bend over backwards to do.
Every day the Chinese Communist Party looks more and more like the Soviet Union under Stalin. It would makes sense for the CCP to take away the liberties of Hong Kong and take over Taiwan like they did to the Uygurs in Xinjiang province and Tibet. It would be a perfect fit politically and culturally. Who cares about the murder of millions and the destruction of political and cultural liberty?
Trump asked me at the 2018 White House Christmas dinner why we were considering sanctioning China over its treatment of the Uighurs, a largely Muslim people who live primarily in China’s northwest Xinjiang Province.
At the opening dinner of the Osaka G-20 meeting in June 2019, with only interpreters present, Xi had explained to Trump why he was basically building concentration camps in Xinjiang. According to our interpreter, Trump said that Xi should go ahead with building the camps, which Trump thought was exactly the right thing to do. The National Security Council’s top Asia staffer, Matthew Pottinger, told me that Trump said something very similar during his November 2017 trip to China.
This is not what is being done here. No one is saying that would be fair either. What a cynical view.Why not just pass a law saying no foreign company can do business in the U.S.? I mean, all’s fair, right?
Here we go ... the conspiracy theories begin now.Also, they don't have secret meetings with Trump-like Mark Zuckerberg did.
The problem with Tik Tok has nothing to do with servers and everything to do with that fact that his base hates the Chinese (so he can rachet up the hate in his base) and that Tik Tok has not "played" ball by paying off the Trump Admin with cold hard cash in one way or another.
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This is not what is being done here. No one is saying that would be fair either. What a cynical view.
Here we go ... the conspiracy theories begin now.
Isn’t the US supposed to be better than the CCP?
They aren’t foreign threats from dictatorships. They are under investigation for inauthentic behavior and impacts on democracy. This is well known.
An eye for an eye.
Ok. So it's a bit hypocritical. But how else is the U.S. going to show that the CCP is bad if not by doing to them what they do to the U.S.?
Except it hasn’t. They don’t have servers in China where Chinese law requires that data be handed over to the Chinese Government. I’m going to copy this statement to my clipboard so I can quickly paste it. That’s how many times I’ve had to type it out this morning. Apples and oranges.
False equivalencies. What is going on in China is far different from anything, real or imagined, happening here in the United States. Also, I would encourage you to take anything you learn from editorial pages of the New York Times and Washington Post with a large grain of salt. These are propaganda machines.Certainly not Trump.
Trump Says He Avoided Punishing China Over Uighur Camps to Protect Trade Talks (Published 2020)
“Well, we were in the middle of a major trade deal,” the president said, supporting an account by his former national security adviser John R. Bolton.www.nytimes.com
... in a meeting several months later with President Xi Jinping of China, Mr. Bolton writes, “Trump said that Xi should go ahead with building the camps, which Trump thought was exactly the right thing to do.”
Analysis | Bolton says Trump didn’t just ignore human rights but encouraged China’s concentration camps
Bolton paints a picture of a president unconcerned with and often downright disdainful of human rights issues.www.washingtonpost.com
In revelations from The Washington Post and the New York Times and an excerpt of his book published by the Wall Street Journal, Bolton paints a picture of a president unconcerned with and often downright disdainful of human rights issues.
Even more remarkably, Bolton’s excerpt in the Wall Street Journal recounts several episodes in which Trump shrugged off China’s human rights abuses — and in one case even seemed to encourage perhaps the worst of them.
The most damning passage comes when Trump, in Bolton’s telling, on two occasions actually encouraged Chinese President Xi Jinping to use concentration camps for Uighur Muslims in Xinjiang province:
What I find interesting is that you equate the US government's banning of these apps for the stated desire of protecting American citizens from snooping by the CCP to the Chinese government's banning of other apps and services for the stated desire of not being able to have a back door to further snoop on their own citizens.
You can argue whether or not the US government is being disingenuous in this, but the two situations aren't, from a stated purpose, apples to apples.
Your cynicism is based on your conjecture unless you are privy to national security intelligence information. But regardless, you wrote: "Why not just pass a law saying no foreign company can do business in the U.S.? I mean, all’s fair, right?" That is literally a gross exaggeration and, again, not what is being done here. The US is acting in a very targeted fashion against one company.That is exactly what is happening here. Nobody has explained any tangible threat to the US from these apps. Trump doesn’t like that tik tok was used to organize his embarrassment at his rally. He wants to look “tough.” There is no danger to the U.S. It’s just “ban the foreigners!”
Walmart does “business” on tiktok? Since when did tiktok become the new Facebook? I thought it was just a place for 14 year old girls to film themselves dancing.The order will only ban the apps within the United States, and U.S. companies, such as Walmart and Starbucks, will still be able to conduct business using TikTok and WeChat outside of the U.S. as they currently do.