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cmaier

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Better in what way? I can think of many ways the U.S. government is better than the CCP, if for none other than the U.S. government is restrained by our Constitution. Although the U.S. is not at the forefront of data privacy and protection, there are at least some laws and amendments that act in my favor here, as opposed to how my data is obtained and used by other foreign governments.

Your response is a non-sequitur. As the saying goes, "All is fair in love and war." In regards to national security, the competition between nations to collection each other's data falls under cyber warfare.

Except “all is fair in love and war” is not true. It’s just a saying.

Why not just pass a law saying no foreign company can do business in the U.S.? I mean, all’s fair, right?
 
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Dwalls90

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Exactly. The US should be passing privacy laws, that are enforced uniformly to all companies doing business in the US. POTUS picking and choosing who to target because they ruined his rally is not a good precedence and legally questionable. Trump gets his sound bite (I'm doing something against China), but in the scheme of things TikTok is a bit player in privacy related data collection. It just so happens that TikTok was used to go after Trump.

Make no mistake, if Trump could find could issue an EO and plausible excuse to take down Twitter, he would that also.

Exactly. My question was a leading one, but I'm glad it's obvious to most as to why Tik Tok was singled out.
 
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macsplusmacs

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The problem with Tik Tok is they probably aren't giving the info to the US Government like other tech companies bend over backwards to do.

Also, they don't have secret meetings with Trump-like Mark Zuckerberg did.

The problem with Tik Tok has nothing to do with servers and everything to do with that fact that his base hates the Chinese (so he can rachet up the hate in his base) and that Tik Tok has not "played" ball by paying off the Trump Admin with cold hard cash in one way or another.
 

sw1tcher

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Every day the Chinese Communist Party looks more and more like the Soviet Union under Stalin. It would makes sense for the CCP to take away the liberties of Hong Kong and take over Taiwan like they did to the Uygurs in Xinjiang province and Tibet. It would be a perfect fit politically and culturally. Who cares about the murder of millions and the destruction of political and cultural liberty?

Certainly not Trump.


... in a meeting several months later with President Xi Jinping of China, Mr. Bolton writes, “Trump said that Xi should go ahead with building the camps, which Trump thought was exactly the right thing to do.”



In revelations from The Washington Post and the New York Times and an excerpt of his book published by the Wall Street Journal, Bolton paints a picture of a president unconcerned with and often downright disdainful of human rights issues.

Even more remarkably, Bolton’s excerpt in the Wall Street Journal recounts several episodes in which Trump shrugged off China’s human rights abuses — and in one case even seemed to encourage perhaps the worst of them.

The most damning passage comes when Trump, in Bolton’s telling, on two occasions actually encouraged Chinese President Xi Jinping to use concentration camps for Uighur Muslims in Xinjiang province:

Trump asked me at the 2018 White House Christmas dinner why we were considering sanctioning China over its treatment of the Uighurs, a largely Muslim people who live primarily in China’s northwest Xinjiang Province.

At the opening dinner of the Osaka G-20 meeting in June 2019, with only interpreters present, Xi had explained to Trump why he was basically building concentration camps in Xinjiang. According to our interpreter, Trump said that Xi should go ahead with building the camps, which Trump thought was exactly the right thing to do. The National Security Council’s top Asia staffer, Matthew Pottinger, told me that Trump said something very similar during his November 2017 trip to China.
 

Madhatter32

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Also, they don't have secret meetings with Trump-like Mark Zuckerberg did.

The problem with Tik Tok has nothing to do with servers and everything to do with that fact that his base hates the Chinese (so he can rachet up the hate in his base) and that Tik Tok has not "played" ball by paying off the Trump Admin with cold hard cash in one way or another.
Here we go ... the conspiracy theories begin now.
 
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cmaier

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This is not what is being done here. No one is saying that would be fair either. What a cynical view.

That is exactly what is happening here. Nobody has explained any tangible threat to the US from these apps. Trump doesn’t like that tik tok was used to organize his embarrassment at his rally. He wants to look “tough.” There is no danger to the U.S. It’s just “ban the foreigners!”
 

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sw1tcher

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Isn’t the US supposed to be better than the CCP?

An eye for an eye.

Ok. So it's a bit hypocritical. But how else is the U.S. going to show that the CCP is bad if not by doing to them what they do to the U.S.?
 

Moi Ici

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They aren’t foreign threats from dictatorships. They are under investigation for inauthentic behavior and impacts on democracy. This is well known.

Well, D Duck tRUMP is a wannabe dictator so there’s that. He’s only after TicTok because they screwed with his first COVID rally in June and probably Sarah Cooper, who did amazing impressions of him on TT. Also, I have no time for TT or any other social media, but it’s interesting that he picked that one app out of all the others. He’s a thin skinned mini dictator.

TT is no better than the rest of them, remember “you (personal information) are the quarry”.
 

StevieD100

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If this deal with Oracle goes through does 'theRealDonald' get his fee? You know the one that he hinted is due for making this happen? If so will it appear on his tax records? Yes, Yes, No. Now there is a surprise.

With the Government now investigating Tencent (and by implication Epic) this trade war has a lot of legs on it yet. I would not be surprised to see iPhone production halted for some mysterious reason.
 

mdatwood

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Except it hasn’t. They don’t have servers in China where Chinese law requires that data be handed over to the Chinese Government. I’m going to copy this statement to my clipboard so I can quickly paste it. That’s how many times I’ve had to type it out this morning. Apples and oranges.

National security takes on many more aspects than where data is stored. It's been proven multiple times that social media companies have been leveraged by foreign powers to influence elections and US policy. If we are really talking about clear and present national security threats, FB is number one right now. Knowing that 12 year old Suzy enjoys dog videos is pretty far down the threat list.
 
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Madhatter32

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Certainly not Trump.


... in a meeting several months later with President Xi Jinping of China, Mr. Bolton writes, “Trump said that Xi should go ahead with building the camps, which Trump thought was exactly the right thing to do.”



In revelations from The Washington Post and the New York Times and an excerpt of his book published by the Wall Street Journal, Bolton paints a picture of a president unconcerned with and often downright disdainful of human rights issues.

Even more remarkably, Bolton’s excerpt in the Wall Street Journal recounts several episodes in which Trump shrugged off China’s human rights abuses — and in one case even seemed to encourage perhaps the worst of them.

The most damning passage comes when Trump, in Bolton’s telling, on two occasions actually encouraged Chinese President Xi Jinping to use concentration camps for Uighur Muslims in Xinjiang province:
False equivalencies. What is going on in China is far different from anything, real or imagined, happening here in the United States. Also, I would encourage you to take anything you learn from editorial pages of the New York Times and Washington Post with a large grain of salt. These are propaganda machines.

 

Techwatcher

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What I find interesting is that you equate the US government's banning of these apps for the stated desire of protecting American citizens from snooping by the CCP to the Chinese government's banning of other apps and services for the stated desire of not being able to have a back door to further snoop on their own citizens.

You can argue whether or not the US government is being disingenuous in this, but the two situations aren't, from a stated purpose, apples to apples.

Like what don’t people understand about this? Lol
 

ghostface147

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How much of this is spite since TikTok was used to spread the word to buy tickets to a Trump rally and leave it mostly empty?
 
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Madhatter32

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That is exactly what is happening here. Nobody has explained any tangible threat to the US from these apps. Trump doesn’t like that tik tok was used to organize his embarrassment at his rally. He wants to look “tough.” There is no danger to the U.S. It’s just “ban the foreigners!”
Your cynicism is based on your conjecture unless you are privy to national security intelligence information. But regardless, you wrote: "Why not just pass a law saying no foreign company can do business in the U.S.? I mean, all’s fair, right?" That is literally a gross exaggeration and, again, not what is being done here. The US is acting in a very targeted fashion against one company.
 

PinkyMacGodess

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I just tried to download it, and it won't download, but neither will anything else. WTH???

Is there a bug that stops people from getting apps from the, um, 'App' Store?

I just restarted, and, nothing... WTH? Updates aren't working either!:mad::mad::mad::mad:

Weird! My iPhone apparently connected to a wifi AP with no internet access. Don't know where it's coming from. Sounds ominous...
 
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LeadingHeat

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The order will only ban the apps within the United States, and U.S. companies, such as Walmart and Starbucks, will still be able to conduct business using TikTok and WeChat outside of the U.S. as they currently do.
Walmart does “business” on tiktok? Since when did tiktok become the new Facebook? I thought it was just a place for 14 year old girls to film themselves dancing.
 

Darth Tulhu

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The guy that issued this executive order is the same guy that has made america great "again" by ensuring that in 4 (VERY LONG) years it has gone back to 1960's-era-levels of civil unrest.

The same guy that even complained about last year's best picture winner because it was a Korean movie.

I could go on, but I have cancelled him and those that like him from my life (to the extent possible of course).

I trust NOTHING he says or does, nor believe that it comes from anywhere other than his "right" to defend the white supremacist AmeriKKKa that has existed since 1776, and has been kept at bay by the (multi-racial) blood of those who believe that it actually COULD be great.

Even the term "conservative" makes me sick.

They're all made of the same religio-fascist xenophobic stuff that other fools are made off, all over the world.:

From the Taliban and Al Qaeda in the Arab World, to the pseudo-socialist-egalitarian totalitarianism of Russia and China, to the European neo-Nazi idiots, to the racial-tribal-genocidal idiocy of Rwanda and South Africa, all the way to the confederate-flag-waving, science-denying, red-hat-wearing, insert-your-non-white-or-straight-here-phobes (and their non-white sympathizers) that fill the center of the US all the way to the appropriately-named White House.

Thus, this ban has NOTHING to do with National Security (even if it actually does) in his teeny-tiny little mind.
 
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