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I have no tolerance for people that forbid tech evolution and choice for the user. zw-gator has missed that you now can use the iMac screen for blu-ray, the laughable is that you need to use a windows pc for this. And no, hard compressed movies rips are not Hi Def.
 
If you want BR, just buy a BR player and watch it on your TV.

What's the obsession with watching BR on a laptop or 22" screen? HD...even DVD is good enough IMO. Just look at the popularity of 700MB movie rips via torrents. Horrible quality, yet people love them.

Also, one of the big sells points of BR is the improved audio quality. Anyone have speakers that would take advantage of that? Your $150 logitech's don't count.

Not to mention movies via optical drive = airplane taking off.


Torrents are popular because people are cheep/free. But that is not a decent argument about physical media! Torrenting is stealing plain and simple. And its against the law.

Like i've been saying for a while now. Downloads will not take over the Blu ray market anytime soon. High speed internet that can download a 1080P film at a reasonable speed is years away. Last i checked, ISP speeds haven't been growing exponentially like our computer chip speeds.

Look for downloads to perhaps take over the rental market. People still love owning a physical copy of something. Especially when hard drives burn up and people loose all their files.
 
Torrenting is stealing plain and simple. And its against the law.

Torrenting is not illegal. The sharing and downloading of copyright protected content is.

Saying torrenting is illegal is analogous to saying DVD-R's are illegal, since people burn pirated content to them. The method of distribution is not illegal; the content may be.
 
Don't forget about light peak technology depending on what Intel wants to do it could take over USB 3.0 which IMO would be nice as long as it comes out next year.
 
the only folks saying that Blu Ray is a bag of hurt is the stork wearing the black turtleneck. Blu Ray has been adopted by all hardware manufacturers except apple.

Yea and Dell charges you $600 (Canadian) for BR drive on their laptops. Do you really want BR that badly? I sure don't.

You people think Apple will just slap it on for free? They'll charge $700 for it and everyone will go ape-****, just watch.

For that price you could almost buy a BR player and HD TV!!!!
 
I have no tolerance for people that forbid tech evolution and choice for the user. zw-gator has missed that you now can use the iMac screen for blu-ray, the laughable is that you need to use a windows pc for this. And no, hard compressed movies rips are not Hi Def.

Technical evolution? Optical media is dead/dying. Flash storage (SD) is where the future lies.

Choice? Buy a HD TV and BR player, or buy a PC if you want it so bad. But please stop complaining because you can't watch BR on your 13' laptop screen.

Heck, even the 27" iMac screen isn't that great overall. If I want to experience a BR movie, I'm not sitting at my computer desk with poor speakers. I want a nice couch, surround sound (mandatory) and a big screen (hint: a 27" is not a big screen anymore)
 
Like i've been saying for a while now. Downloads will not take over the Blu ray market anytime soon. High speed internet that can download a 1080P film at a reasonable speed is years away. Last i checked, ISP speeds haven't been growing exponentially like our computer chip speeds.

And if you could get that kind of download speed, they would probably throttle it or cut you off for exceeding your monthly quota. ISPs like Comcast and Verizon don't want you downloading movies - they want you to pay to watch them.
 
ahhh, so since it doesn't fit your work flow it must be off!! i don't care what the cost, and its up to each to decide, my issue is with not even allowing the choice. There is no justifiable reason in my mind why apple does not support Blu Ray especially being on the board of directors for Blu Ray.

Yea and Dell charges you $600 (Canadian) for BR drive on their laptops. Do you really want BR that badly? I sure don't.

You people think Apple will just slap it on for free? They'll charge $700 for it and everyone will go ape-****, just watch.

For that price you could almost buy a BR player and HD TV!!!!

Exactly, ISP's are lining up to start charging you for them. People don't seem to realize the infrastructure upgrades that need to take place across the board for something like that to be available in mass to leverage digital copies. We can't get high speed cellular service nationwide (US) but we suddenly can be running a high speed fiber based network to the consumer?

And if you could get that kind of download speed, they would probably throttle it or cut you off for exceeding your monthly quota. ISPs like Comcast and Verizon don't want you downloading movies - they want you to pay to watch them.
 
Blu-Ray will appear in Macs in 2010. How do I know this?

Well, open Final Cut Pro 7, highlight the timeline content, go to File > Share > Choose Blu-Ray from the drop down and check 'create Blu-Ray Disc'.

Now, why add this to your flagship editing package if Blu-Ray will never be in Macs?
I'm open to explanations....
 
IMO, not yet. After 100Mb/s or 1Gb/s bandwidth is a standard, then we will see transition from physical media to digital media. E.g. Quantum of Solace in 1080p weights ~9GB and download time of that with 2Mb/s bandwidth (which is a standard for average consumer) is 10 hours*. That's not comfortable time to wait to see a movie... I think in 2012 transition will start (some movies only offered on net) and 2015 at the earliest, ~80% of physical will be digital only. Of course this is just my guess and opinion

*
9GB = 9 000 000KB
2Mb/s = 250KB/s (2 000:8=250)

9x10⁶ : 250 = 36 000 (seconds)
36 000 : 60 = 600 (minutes)
600 : 60 = 10 (hours)

That's theoretical maximum download speed, real world speed depends on configuration. Let me know if something ain't right


First of all 2 MB/s != 250 KB/s, you are talking about 2 Mbit = 250 KB/s, theres a difference.

And I doubt Apple would be held back just because America is not such a developed country. In Sweden most people living in cities can get at least 24 Mbit = around 2 MB/s in real life data transfer. And many can get 100 Mbit in the cities too. And Sweden isn't at the top when it comes to supply of high speed internet.

Many countries would have no problem using streamed stuff, hell I stream HD via Voddler all the time ;). So I think Apple would be able to sell products to the more "high-tech" countries then the states.

Also for the .mkv vs Blue Ray debate. You can compress blue ray with x264 to not lose any picture quality what so ever. What matters is their length and bitrate, you can make em not lose much at all, but then they will be big ;) So it is possible to rip Blue Ray movies and not be able to distinguish between the rip and the original.
 
Well, open Final Cut Pro 7, highlight the timeline content, go to File > Share > Choose Blu-Ray from the drop down and check 'create Blu-Ray Disc'.

There should be no problem to put in a blu ray writer into a mac pro (for everybody who needs). And the best mac for final cut pro is undoubtably the mac pro.
 
IMO, not yet. After 100Mb/s or 1Gb/s bandwidth is a standard, then we will see transition from physical media to digital media. E.g. Quantum of Solace in 1080p weights ~9GB and download time of that with 2Mb/s bandwidth (which is a standard for average consumer) is 10 hours*. That's not comfortable time to wait to see a movie... I think in 2012 transition will start (some movies only offered on net) and 2015 at the earliest, ~80% of physical will be digital only. Of course this is just my guess and opinion

*
9GB = 9 000 000KB
2Mb/s = 250KB/s (2 000:8=250)

9x10⁶ : 250 = 36 000 (seconds)
36 000 : 60 = 600 (minutes)
600 : 60 = 10 (hours)

That's theoretical maximum download speed, real world speed depends on configuration. Let me know if something ain't right

And you know thats not even including lossless audio. :(
 
Blu-Ray will appear in Macs in 2010. How do I know this?

Well, open Final Cut Pro 7, highlight the timeline content, go to File > Share > Choose Blu-Ray from the drop down and check 'create Blu-Ray Disc'.

Now, why add this to your flagship editing package if Blu-Ray will never be in Macs?
I'm open to explanations....

That doesn't imply that you will be able to play blu-ray movies on the Mac, just that you can burn a blu-ray disk.
 
I'm expecting to see a "BluRay solution" for Macs within the next six months.

What is the _real_ reason for the "video in" capability on the new iMacs, anyway? Think about it.

- John
 
The first USB 3.0 motherboard has been announced. Available next month. Asus.

It also has SATA 6Gbps.
 
But dont forget that Apple was late to the CD-R party way back when. Steve even said that Apple missed it in one of the keynotes.
 
Just admit it.

Apple lags behind in certain things when it comes to new technologies. I think their main focus is iphone and ipods since they generate the most revenue. PCs hae HDMI output, Blue-ray, HD-DVD, Memory card slots, Express cards. Some of these special feature are standard with their entry level PCs.

With macs, you pay a premium price for the unit, and more $$ for adaptors.
 
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