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USB 3.0 and Faster FireWire in Next Mac Pro, iMac?
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You'd be lucky if 20 % of the world even heard of it. Guess you're a young person without much perspective on the rest of world ( you know, outside the bubble of tech gadgets and HD).
Nobody significant cares about BluRay. PS3 owners care, because they received it as part of a package deal from the only company on Earth interested in pushing the format. But not even PS3 owners, whiniest bunch of ingrates and apologists this side of the iPhone 4, bought their devices for the use of BluRay. Its just a perk.
Beyond the PS3, bluray player and bluray sales are dismal. Combo packs saved the format from total irrelevancy during 08/09.
Sorry, but there is absolutely positively no room in the future for ONE company to maintain THE media format, for consumer viewing. It's just not going to happen.
The future is in cheap rentals, that stream. This is a fact. It will become more prevalent, as the devices, content, and data service become less of a hassle, and more of a technicality.
This the future: All content, always available, on every device, from room, to room, to the car, to the beach, to the couch. We're already there. It just needs some ironing.
I'm sorry, but no $30 breakable Sony brand discs, with outrageously inconvenient and expensive 1990s players, are going to make any difference on this outcome, whatsoever.
The base price of a quad core Z800 with 4 GiB is $2443 - which CPU and GPU did you get to boost the price that high?
Quad core CPU options on the Z800 go up to X5677 3.46GHz with 12 MiB cache (at $2810).
GPU options up to dual SLI Quadro FX5800 4 GiB (each card, 8 GiB total) for $7840.
The Mac Pro competes with HP Z800 and the Lenovo D20 and C20. All are workstations with in the neighborhood of 1KW power supplies. You probably knew that when you opted for the single cpu machine. So when you priced the Z800 and the Mac Pro, both dual CPU capable, they come in around $6500. Built for heavy lifting in rendering and such, and built to last.
AFAIK, there hasn't been enough Intel Xeon X56xx series processors produced to support Apple's Mac Pro demand, so if the delay has been due to USB 3.0, Firewire, or Xeon's, I will be pleased with the result.
I would add that Apple needs to get ATI on board with their FirePro cards, especially the V5800 (single slot, most bang for the buck).
Hoping
Light peak mops USB 3.0 in transfer speed...both would be better than firewire (which is in the downward spiral).
Just please grace the 27inch iMac with a GTX 4XX or HD 58XX, and USB 3.0. Blu Ray fans out there, I totally agree and personally LOVE Blu Ray...but Apple's vested interest in iTunes HD gives them no reason to implement an Apple BluRay experience.
They'd probably like to take out every optical drive as well, so we are tethered to the iTunes tit. Bastards.
Light peak mops USB 3.0 in transfer speed...both would be better than firewire (which is in the downward spiral).
Just please grace the 27inch iMac with a GTX 4XX or HD 58XX, and USB 3.0. Blu Ray fans out there, I totally agree and personally LOVE Blu Ray...but Apple's vested interest in iTunes HD gives them no reason to implement an Apple BluRay experience.
They'd probably like to take out every optical drive as well, so we are tethered to the iTunes tit. Bastards.
While I do agree with you since I've been using Macs exclusively for 14 years, but based on your post I take it that you are dismissing the white Macbook altogether as a "Mac"?
No, that greedy, power-hungry, power-abusing, petty, vindictive, hypocritical old miser Steve Jobs is the whole world of hurt.
With Blu-ray drives: 0% goes to Apple
Without Blu-ray drives: forced to buy 720 (!!!!) media from the infamous WalledGarden vending machine known as iTunes (nickled and dimed to death, to which El Capitano Senor Jobs says where you can and can't use it), to which Apple gets XX% receives.
Meanwhile, is old Steve-O gonna pay for my additional data usage to downloand a frickin' 720 (!!!) media?Thought not.
"Hey, I got this great movie I wanna share w/ you. Here's my Mac Pro or iMac. Just borrow it and return it when you're done w/ it. Just make sure you lift w/ your back."
Apple needs To finally support BD. This is fraking ************* at this point. Apple is making billions hand over fist and they have to pull this to push their itunes movie store?
Some people like me want BD on a iMac or mac pro, And even my MacBook pro for when I'm traveling with an hdmi and mini display port.
Give the people what we want !!!!
Some people may not want it. But honestly. We don't need BD-r drives in everything. Just ones to read BD in some super drives. And option for burning for others. Give us the option. Stop being cheap because of patents and iTunes.
You can NEVER rely on your HDD alone. You should always back-up on other media or extra external drive. I make DVD backups (would love to have Blu-ray discs) and keep them in a safe place outside my house. In case of fire you're screwed otherwise. And if you buy good special back-up dvd's/blu-ray they will be preserved quite well! Not adding Blu-ray is utter failure on the side of Apple (in terms of consumer demand, not in terms of Apple profit of course).
I can buy 4x1 TB hard drives to backup 1 TB of media (just an example). What are the chances of all hard drives breaking at the same time? Yep, slim to none and it's cheaper too. I can also upload to a cloud storage if i'm paranoid about it.
HD content in the iTunes Music store is "very limited" if you live outside of the USA. BlueRays on the other hand are available everywhere for sale and for rent. Prices for BlueRay and DVD are often the same, so why stick with the lower quality DVD?
I think this has been discussed many times before. An external HD is a "single point of failure" for example. But I don't think thats a problem. If you want BlueRay for backup, you can use external drives (or install an internal one in the Mac Pro) easily.
Another question: The current generation iMac has a display target mode. Is it possible to use the iMac as a display for a stand alone BlueRay player if you don't want a large screen iMac and a TV (maybe because it is too expensive or takes too much space)?
Christian
Sorry, but i stopped reading when you started harping on about Sony being the only company pushing BD.
Don't forget that there's the Blu-ray Disc Association (which, ironically, has Apple being a board member).
Even Toshiba is pushing Blu-ray onto its consumers with the inclusion of BD drives on their laptops - and Toshiba were the flagship company pushing the adoption of HD-DVD in the last great format war.
Its not just hardware failure. A software blip could delete data. Or you could delete something accidentally. Not extremely likely, but you never know. Remember that bug a few years ago where data would mysteriously disappear from Macs? I myself have 2tb of tv shows and movies, with two complete backups updated daily and a third backup offsite updated monthly. I have spent too much time and money for my video collection and I am paranoid with backups.
Not always just giving the people what they want is what has made Apple such a great company. If Apple always listened to what their customers wanted instead of pushing what they see as the direction computing should go, they probably wouldn't exist today, or would just be another HP, Dell, or Acer. While I wouldn't be opposed to Bluray making it onto the Mac, I'm pretty sure Apple knows exactly what they're doing. We'll see how it plays out in the end, but their track record is really good on these sorts of decisions (FireWire on the MacBook Pro being the only recent example of a mistake they're had to correct).
jW
1)BR is far better than dvds...not sure what you have been reading or what sources you have been reading. It is true that there is not much value (in pure audio/video improvement/necessity) for comedies like Airplane! or Happy Gilmore...because the audience is experiencing the storyline and gags more than any kind of special video or audio effects. However, when you compare non-comedies, such as any kind of action/thriller movies, the difference is huge so long as you have a hi-def tv and 5.1 or 7.1 channels on your stereo. I own about 35 movies and almost all of them I have on dvd, also...the BR's blow away the dvd copy.
2)Visit sites like: http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/reviews.html to get real-world reviews on BR titles...are they of excellent audio/video quality or just the dvd-version dumped on a BR?
3)Your statement regarding dvds and their marketshare...would have been very accurate 2+ years ago. Dvds are falling fairly quickly since BR has been pulling up steam. I have a few hundred dvds...love them...most I got for $8-$12 over the 10+ years I've owned a dvd player. But the BRs are almost as cheap ($11.99-$17.99 street price anywhere online) and are far superior in a/v quality. Of course, again, you need a hi-def tv to enjoy the video...and a nice audio setup for the audio...but when more and more people plunk down $1000 for a tv and $500 for a decent audio setup, they will switch very quickly to BR. The natural progression of the dvd is BR...not video/internet streaming as many people wish...that won't be for at least 15 years in real-world applications.
-Eric
And I would prefer one easy to carry disc that I can store anywhere I want for no extra cost at all. Actually it's in a vault at a different place so in case my Macs gets stolen or my house burns down (or whatever catostrophe there might be). With one or maybe 2 discs all my really important stuff is perfectly backed up. Safe, for no one to see and fast and easy to get back. For daily back-ups or non private stuff you could use cloud strorage.
Anyway, we all know the real reason why Apple won't let us chose Blu-ray. It's jut not going to happen. Greedy bastards.
The MP update is WAY overdue, this is the longest they've gone without updating it, and the chips are finally shipping from intel in quantity so there's no excuse any more.
The next MP update needs to be way better than the last time around - they downgraded the base model from 8 cores to 4 and raised all the prices. Not to mention the awful design of the quad with only four ram slots.
Hopefully they'll remedy that this time around - base machine with 8 (or 12) cores (4/6 only as BTO downgrade), nine (or more) ram slots (after all, it is triple channel ram so 4/8 makes no sense).
And the usb/fw update sounds cool, although to really make use of it they should have multiple discrete FW busses on the tower. Super high speed FW isn't that useful when all ports share the same bus and putting one slower device on it knocks down the rate for all FW devices.
The next MP update needs to be way better than the last time around - they downgraded the base model from 8 cores to 4 and raised all the prices. Not to mention the awful design of the quad with only four ram slots.
Hopefully they'll remedy that this time around - base machine with 8 (or 12) cores (4/6 only as BTO downgrade), nine (or more) ram slots (after all, it is triple channel ram so 4/8 makes no sense).
And the usb/fw update sounds cool, although to really make use of it they should have multiple discrete FW busses on the tower. Super high speed FW isn't that useful when all ports share the same bus and putting one slower device on it knocks down the rate for all FW devices.
The guy didn't say 80% of the world doesn't know what's a Blu Ray, he said 80% of the world think it's a bag of hurt, which I found odd. Hence the question "Do you think 80% of the world hates BD?"
Thanks for calling me young anyway (not so happy about the rest of the comment, though).
eeeeeeeeexactly.
People should check out real-world reviews at:
http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/reviews.html
Most action/thriller/non-comedy movies are greatly improved by the Studios on BD format...some, sadly (Predator), are not. Heck, my BD of Close Encounters of the 3rd Kind is amazing...and super duper amazing when I compare it to the dvd version...jaw-dropping.
-Eric
Still no blu-ray? dont buy it!
Ohhh, Apple making computers? isent apple a mobile phone company? maybe i am mistaken. anyway, i dont will buy a mac until Apple is able to put a blu-ray disc drive in the machines.
I am not interested in pseudo HD content from itunes. professionels have the need to authoring their projects on a blu-ray disc and watch it over HDMI on a true FULL HD screen.
whats happen to apple? how could this happen? microsoft or google arent the "bad guys" anymore.
Arrogant!
Ohhh, Apple making computers? isent apple a mobile phone company? maybe i am mistaken. anyway, i dont will buy a mac until Apple is able to put a blu-ray disc drive in the machines.
I am not interested in pseudo HD content from itunes. professionels have the need to authoring their projects on a blu-ray disc and watch it over HDMI on a true FULL HD screen.
whats happen to apple? how could this happen? microsoft or google arent the "bad guys" anymore.
Arrogant!
Get it together macrumors
The also report that Lightpeak isn't expected for another year, and, of course, we won't see Blu-Ray in these desktop Macs either.
Should be
They also report that Lightpeak isn't expected for another year, and, of course, we won't see Blu-Ray in these desktop Macs either.
I hope the Mac Pro pricing would be around $1,500-2,000. But we could all dream.
The also report that Lightpeak isn't expected for another year, and, of course, we won't see Blu-Ray in these desktop Macs either.
Should be
They also report that Lightpeak isn't expected for another year, and, of course, we won't see Blu-Ray in these desktop Macs either.
I hope the Mac Pro pricing would be around $1,500-2,000. But we could all dream.