Exactly, 1080p rips are ftw, I love plex and 1080p rips and mac mini with HDMI
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USB 3.0 and Faster FireWire in Next Mac Pro, iMac?
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Exactly, 1080p rips are ftw, I love plex and 1080p rips and mac mini with HDMI
Just because you post on a forum, doesn't suddenly make BluRay more successful, or give it a place in the future.
Sorry, but reality hurts sometimes.
Could it finally be on its way!? I've been waiting too long for you Mac Pro. If USB 3.0 and FireWire 1600 or 3200 come with it, then I'll be a happy chappy. Thanks for this rumor. Just what I needed after so many weeks of disappointment!
Do you mean to play on your computer? I agree...I have owned computers since 1983 and I have never, ever, watched a single movie on any of them...and I've had a 24" monitor for 6 years now. If you are asking to play them on a home theater system, BD will be around for at least another decade...streaming video over the net/cable system still stinks. Internet streaming will not be mainstream for at least another 15 years...too many hurdles to mention in this thread.
Because hard drives are not permanent storage...dvd and BD are. I have 200GB worth of mp3s...If I had 50GB BD discs I could store them all on 4 discs and they could be placed anywhere for storage. DVD format would force me to use about 30 dvds. And again, hard drives are lovely but not permanent (I want and need permanent for my backups).
But you also can't be sure if those 4 dics will last a year or more until you actually wait and see.
The only reason why people prefer Apple over other companies is their OS and because of the beautiful designed devices. Other than that, the internals of a Mac are exactly the same. Most of the times even a little outdated and in some cases just ignoring customer demands.
Sure it's true that Apple knows what it's doing: it's protecting it's own business. Can't blame them, they need to make (even more) money. I'm pretty sure that if Apple added Blu-Ray, better graphic cards and HDMI ports (not only MacMini) it wouldn't hurt their business at all (at least not their Mac sales).
But Steve would rather eat an iPhone 4 antenna then admitting he was wrong on this one. That's the problem when a big ego leads a company.
Ditto...
I'm running the Corei7 iMac myself and I've got 12 gigs of ram and besides the internal drive I've got my G5 tower filled with SATA drives connected BOTH via FW800 AND gigabit ethernet. I think I'm set. Sure, I'd love a Mac with USB3 but maybe the next go round. This thing is absurdly fast (geekbench rates around 10,000) and the display is beautiful (no yellow tinge either).
I'm running the Corei7 iMac myself and I've got 12 gigs of ram and besides the internal drive I've got my G5 tower filled with SATA drives connected BOTH via FW800 AND gigabit ethernet. I think I'm set. Sure, I'd love a Mac with USB3 but maybe the next go round. This thing is absurdly fast (geekbench rates around 10,000) and the display is beautiful (no yellow tinge either).
Why are you arguing with this idiot?
The reason for Apple not using BR is strictly to force people into purchasing from the iTunes store. Period.
These jackasses just prattle off Jobs' talking-points like a bunch of Rush Limbaugh listeners...
Why Blu-ray?
I really have to admit that I don't get what the big thing is about Blu-ray and why so many people feel that the next revision Apple <whatever> needs to have it.
I can see this if you want to play movies, but my HDTV/PS3 is much better at that (vastly better sound, too) and I can eat popcorn while watching without worrying about getting my keyboard dirty...
As a distribution medium it isn't great because not everybody has a computer that can read it and Blu-ray players, although a lot cheaper, haven't gained wide acceptance. I usually distribute stuff through Dropbox or Mobile Me or send my stuff out on CD or DVD or even USB drives if the customer would rather have physical media or has a slow connection.
I really have to admit that I don't get what the big thing is about Blu-ray and why so many people feel that the next revision Apple <whatever> needs to have it.
I can see this if you want to play movies, but my HDTV/PS3 is much better at that (vastly better sound, too) and I can eat popcorn while watching without worrying about getting my keyboard dirty...
As a distribution medium it isn't great because not everybody has a computer that can read it and Blu-ray players, although a lot cheaper, haven't gained wide acceptance. I usually distribute stuff through Dropbox or Mobile Me or send my stuff out on CD or DVD or even USB drives if the customer would rather have physical media or has a slow connection.
Exactly!
But...if he does decide to reverse his stand on something then all of the sudden it becomes magical (e-reader) or we do it better than everyone else (multitasking).
Apple needs to get on board with:
Blu-ray
Flash
Mobile Wi-Fi Hotspots
LOL.
I am really looking forward to reading MacRumors three or four years from now....
There will be long discussions about movies dropping on the beach. Is it AT&Ts "4G"(*) network coverage that sucks so badly? Or was it Apples fault who have loused up the antenna design of the new iPad yet another time?
A mobile network that can deliver reliable real time streaming in 1080 for many people at the same time that does not only cover metropoles and that is affordable even if you use 100s of gigabytes (or even TBs) a month is still many years in the future.
(*) I know AT&T says they are already rolling out 4G. But that is not true, it is only "3.9G". 4G means peak data rates of at least 1 GBit/s, the current LTE technology does not deliver that.
Christian
What a jerk! On the wrong topic.
Any SATA so I can use my eSATA dock. And maybe I won't have to restart my Mac for it to be recognized.Should also have SATA 3.0
Lightpeak has been demonstrated but it obviously takes a while to incorporate into devices on both sides of the cable.
Take a memory pill and quit drinking so much.
USB3 will require different cables but will be worth the change at ten times the transfer speed. Some reports are that USB2 devices will be usable into USB3 ports but without the full-duplex capability.
Since my MacPro is only two years old, I don't plan on replacing it for some time.
You're absolutely right. Problem is we're nowhere even close to that future. It will take at least 5-10 years to become reality. The net is already cracking in some cases. Technology will probably solve that sometime later but we're not there.
It's great that Apple might think that far ahead (although the real reason is plain simple money) and skate to where the hockey puck is going. But when you're always skating to where the puck might be going you're never going to hit it.
True...and nothing in this world lasts forever.
But cd/dvd/BD media has several advantages over hard drives:1)generally, hard drives are not "permanent". 5-10 years on average they will last...and I'm not talking about RAID or redundancy...simply 1 hard drive compared to 1 media format.
2)generally, cd-r and dvd-r are as permanent as you can get. CD-r has been around a lot longer than people realize. As a consumer, I've been using cd-r since 1997 and even to this day, they all play/read just fine. Yes, I'm sure some day they will die but it's been 13+ years.
In the professional world that I work, "optical" has been in use since the early 80's by countless businesses around the globe for permanent and safe backup.3)hard drives are not friendly with water, falls, and magnets...dvd, cd, and BD are.
4)generally speaking, I like to have a permanent backup for at least 1 year. I do not trust hard drives as I have seen many fail in one way or another. I am a lot more confident that I can burn my data to physical discs, stick them in a closet, and 1 year later they will be fine. In my situation, I usually destroy my backups when they are about 2-3 years old. My music is my life...if I have to re-rip 5000+ cds I would lose my mind.
-Eric
Perfectly fine you don't want/need it. I would. I like watching movies on the go on my MBP. I like to watch a movie on my iMac. You can't decide what people should or shouldn't do with their Macs. I would love to make HD home movies and blast my family away in terms of quality. I would like to show that on my Blu-Ray home video set. I would like to store very important personal data on safe back-up discs (that can go as large as 100GB on one single disc).
People forget that optical media is alse developing over time. Pretty soon 3D Blu-ray movies will enter the massmarket. That's even larger volumes of data. It's pretty neat you can store that with great quality on one disc. Try streaming that. It will be possible but not any time soon.
True...and nothing in this world lasts forever.
1)generally, hard drives are not "permanent". 5-10 years on average they will last...and I'm not talking about RAID or redundancy...simply 1 hard drive compared to 1 media format.
2)generally, cd-r and dvd-r are as permanent as you can get. CD-r has been around a lot longer than people realize. As a consumer, I've been using cd-r since 1997 and even to this day, they all play/read just fine. Yes, I'm sure some day they will die but it's been 13+ years.
3)hard drives are not friendly with water, falls, and magnets...dvd, cd, and BD are.
4)generally speaking, I like to have a permanent backup for at least 1 year. I do not trust hard drives as I have seen many fail in one way or another. I am a lot more confident that I can burn my data to physical discs, stick them in a closet, and 1 year later they will be fine. In my situation, I usually destroy my backups when they are about 2-3 years old. My music is my life...if I have to re-rip 5000+ cds I would lose my mind.
-Eric
But thumb drives can last an awfully long time
I'd prefer to see really reliable mini thumb drives, capable of holding a ton of data than a binder full of DVDs...
Steve Jobs has successfully hypnotized you, my minion.
Blu-Ray is here to stay. As usual, Mac users are out of predominant technologies, probably for years to come. Pathetic.
I guess Steve Jobs would say "Just don't use it that way".
I might be insanely stupid.. But should I use firewire?
Yes, if you need it. Most people can get by on USB though. If you are moving gigs of data a day, everyday, then FireWire FTW.
Bleah... just an isolated rumor, but still ....
If HardMac is correct, I'm not all that excited right now. First off, LightPeak looked promising as something innovative and new enough, it might make sense to buy a new Mac Pro to obtain it. (The way I understood it when they first talked about it last year, the Mac Pro was planned to be the first machine introducing it -- before Intel started incorporating it in motherboards supplied to everyone else.) But now they're saying another YEAR before it's finished? SLOW progress there ....
USB 3.0? Big whoop. That's been available on some Windows PCs for a while already and it's just a logical progression of an old, existing technology. I'd only expect Apple would start using it, just as they used USB 2.0 after it was released as a standard.
Another upgrade to Firewire is slightly more relevant, since it tends to be high-end Mac users who care the most about that technology these days, anyway. But again, it's just another I/O standard - and meaningless if you don't have external gear to attach that makes use of it too.
The info we REALLY need to know revolves around the PRICE for the next Mac Pro, and what processor and VIDEO options we'll get with one! The current Mac Pro really didn't do much for anyone I know. Even if it hadn't launched with all the audio problems they had to fix, it just seemed to be priced too high and didn't bring enough to the table to justify upgrades for most existing Mac Pro owners. Even NOW, I find that for many small business or home users looking for a "power workstation" for whatever reason, the smartest buy is a refurbished Mac Pro from 1-2 generations ago vs. the current model.
If HardMac is correct, I'm not all that excited right now. First off, LightPeak looked promising as something innovative and new enough, it might make sense to buy a new Mac Pro to obtain it. (The way I understood it when they first talked about it last year, the Mac Pro was planned to be the first machine introducing it -- before Intel started incorporating it in motherboards supplied to everyone else.) But now they're saying another YEAR before it's finished? SLOW progress there ....
USB 3.0? Big whoop. That's been available on some Windows PCs for a while already and it's just a logical progression of an old, existing technology. I'd only expect Apple would start using it, just as they used USB 2.0 after it was released as a standard.
Another upgrade to Firewire is slightly more relevant, since it tends to be high-end Mac users who care the most about that technology these days, anyway. But again, it's just another I/O standard - and meaningless if you don't have external gear to attach that makes use of it too.
The info we REALLY need to know revolves around the PRICE for the next Mac Pro, and what processor and VIDEO options we'll get with one! The current Mac Pro really didn't do much for anyone I know. Even if it hadn't launched with all the audio problems they had to fix, it just seemed to be priced too high and didn't bring enough to the table to justify upgrades for most existing Mac Pro owners. Even NOW, I find that for many small business or home users looking for a "power workstation" for whatever reason, the smartest buy is a refurbished Mac Pro from 1-2 generations ago vs. the current model.
Blu-Ray is not here to stay. Another person said it will be around for another decade. I doubt it will be around in 5 years now. The average user (aka the majority) are able to get great quality via streaming and OnDemand.
People tend to think that the reason that 1080P streaming will never work is because of the size of the movies. Which is true, but with modern day CPUs and new compression techniques a 1080P movie can be streamed in different compressed ways and expanded to their full 1080P quality on the fly. Yes, this requires new formats, but what was not possible with compression 5 years ago, is now possible today (in other words what would take a room full of computers to do 5 years ago can be done on one iMac).
The day of land filling hard media is done!