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I feel like apple missed the point of their own innovation... magSAFE.

They have just created their lightest laptop ever... but when I will undoubtably trip over my USB - Type C cable the whole thing will come crashing down on the floor.

They forgot Think Different :apple:

When the laptop falls to the floor another sale is made.
 
The only bad point about USB-C i can see is you can no longer keep something fully charged up anymore without having an adapter attached..

I keep my Retina charged up always when at home, if if i ever get this 12-inch Mac, I'll need an adapter plugged in (or Apple could do an a converter (in much the same way they did a Megasafe-to-Megasafe 2)

Although i dunno if technically a megasafe 2 to USB-C little converter just for power would work..

Either way,,, its still just one port and or adapter needed. :apple:

FYI... They DID 'Think Different' They thought in the other direction. :D
 
Single Port anyone?

Let me put it this way: The new “thin” Macbook, will not replace my 11”Air at the moment.

However, in a year or two, I can see it becoming a viable alternative.

Soon, Apple will introduce a new Cinema Display compatible with the USB-C. Either Apple or 3rd party suppliers will come up with a USB-C dock and a port replicator that will enable charging and connecting peripherals simultaneously.

When that happens, a single port issue will cease to be an issue and will become a feature.

Right now, when I connect my Macbook to the Cinema Display. I have to connect minimum 2 wires; power and Thunderbolt (and they are on opposite side). However, with the new above mentioned devices, a single connection will provide everything. Either the USB-C dock or the new Cinema Display will have sufficient ports to connect every other peripheral and make a single single wire connection not only possible but desirable.

On the road, away from a docking station, either a simple pass through power cord, or a pass through dongle will solve the problem of charging and connecting a USB device simultaneously. We will probably see such devices before the end of this year.

On the other hand, Apple, to sustain sales as usual, will introduce a 2nd Gen Macbook next year with an improved CPU and perhaps (though I doubt it) a second USB-C (type 3.1) port on the other side of the machine, or at least upgrade the existing single USB-C from 3.0 to 3.1.

I remember the first Gen Air suffered from the same problems. Weak CPU, slow hard drive and lack of ports. The second Gen was better and the subsequent generations had powerful CPUs, fast flash drives and multiple ports.

History will repeat itself. We just have to wait and see the Macbook mature.
 
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This is an early implementation of usb-c that appears to be using the 3.0 standard rather than the upcoming 3.1. That could either be a factor of the standard not being quite ready for implementation in this form factor yet (at this point only a few full sized motherboards are being released with 3.1) or it could have something to do with what Apple deemed to be an acceptable wire thickness. The full type-c 3.1 spec calls for 15 wires plus braided shielding to attain 10Gbps. At 5Gbps only 10 wires plus shielding are required.
Thanks that explains a lot.
 
Its one of the more interesting things Apple have done recently, which I admire. But not for me. I like my ports on my laptops. And why ditch MagSafe? It was like a huge selling point.

Sucks to be Apple if the tech world just ignores USB-C like they did with Thunderbolt.
 
If you compare newMB to original Air, there's a distinctive difference: air had 3 separate ports for display, power and usb. They could be used independently. Even this was not enough and more ports were added.
I just don't get why same thing wouldn't happen again.
If Apple would have launched also an Air with retina, we could see which the customers would choose.

Btw, anybody seen any teardowns of new dongles?
Are all pins connected and full 3.1 set of cords inside the cable?
 
anyone who purchases this laptop over the Air or MBP is just dumb, it is way under powered, 1 usb port that you have to buy an $80 adapter for and its just as expensive as their other laptops. Apple has become such a joke since Tim Cook has taken over.
 
anyone who purchases this laptop over the Air or MBP is just dumb, it is way under powered, 1 usb port that you have to buy an $80 adapter for and its just as expensive as their other laptops. Apple has become such a joke since Tim Cook has taken over.

Huh, to me it looks like people who buy rMBP's with 28w processors that they don't need and ports that sit around unused the majority of time are the ones not thinking things through thoroughly.
 
Huh, to me it looks like people who buy rMBP's with 28w processors that they don't need and ports that sit around unused the majority of time are the ones not thinking things through thoroughly.

I'm not sure who those people are. My 2008 MBP has MOST of its ports used when docked and typically half when used in my recording room and even when just out at a hotel, I bring a full fledged mouse with me (trackpads suck IMO, even good ones) plus the power adapter.
 
Einstein was really a genius - amongst others - for his theory of relativity.
Seems all those are dumb who would prefer a same priced 13" rMBP to the new MB. A powerbook to a netbook.
Seems now it is not a problem, it is even an advantage that the new MacBook has only one port, is underpowered and lacks the iconic MagSafe.
Seems while waging a war on inches it is not an anomaly that you have to carry and use a separate dongle for basic functions.
 
I'm not sure who those people are. My 2008 MBP has MOST of its ports used when docked and typically half when used in my recording room and even when just out at a hotel, I bring a full fledged mouse with me (trackpads suck IMO, even good ones) plus the power adapter.

In both of those situations you could still have all of those connections, from a single cord rather than a bunch of individual connections, by carrying a small dock or adapter with you.

The MacBook though is built for people to primarily use in mobile situations; coffee shops, libraries, in class or at a conference, at an airport on the plane or train. People in those situations are rarely using anything but the headphone jack and maybe the power cord.
 
In both of those situations you could still have all of those connections, from a single cord rather than a bunch of individual connections, by carrying a small dock or adapter with you.

The MacBook though is built for people to primarily use in mobile situations; coffee shops, libraries, in class or at a conference, at an airport on the plane or train. People in those situations are rarely using anything but the headphone jack and maybe the power cord.

Two ports would still make more sense than one when the same port is used for the power cord. You cannot do a damn thing with the power plugged in that requires any kind of port. That is asinine no matter how people try to justify it and worse yet, unnecessary since they could clearly fit at least 2 ports on the device (one on each side) and possibly as many as 6 total (surely at least 4) without compromising the thickness factor. I'm afraid this one is going to bite Apple in the hind quarter. I'm betting then next update will "correct" this oversight.

They could have included Magsafe plus a USB-Type C port and users could use either one for power in a pinch and still have a usable port without tying up the power port. Of course, they would STILL need an adapter since virtually nothing out there comes with a USB Type C cable. You'd think Apple could have included at least the very basics (e.g. a pass-through for the power cord and/or the most commonly used port connections including video out and thunderbolt along with a USB 3.0 adapter, but then I'm just making my argument once again that the device itself is asinine for including a single port that needs a dongle to do ANYTHING (save the power cord it comes with; well hell I'm assuming it comes with that even; it may not for all I know. By the time you add up all those extra costs, one wonders if you could have just bought a Macbook Pro instead of this slow POS).
 
...they could clearly fit at least 2 ports on the device (one on each side) and possibly as many as 6 total (surely at least 4) without compromising the thickness factor...They could have included Magsafe plus a USB-Type C port and users could use either one for power in a pinch and still have a usable port without tying up the power port.

I have to assume you've already submitted your design resume to Apple HR. Clearly Apple's current crop of people don't know much. You'll rise quickly through the ranks I'm sure. /s
 
I have to assume you've already submitted your design resume to Apple HR. Clearly Apple's current crop of people don't know much. You'll rise quickly through the ranks I'm sure. /s

Wow. What a an insult. I've only heard that "they're making money so they can do no wrong" argument like a ten thousand times on here from people who don't seem to either have the desire or ability to construe an actual argument. :rolleyes:

You do realize you're suggesting that no company that has had any success could ever make a bad product, right? That is exactly what you're saying. Read it a few more times and listen to how fracking ridiculous that sounds. Yeah, now try to think about it. ;)
 
Wow. What a an insult. I've only heard that "they're making money so they can do no wrong" argument like a ten thousand times on here from people who don't seem to either have the desire or ability to construe an actual argument.

Was I out of line? I never said Apple can do no wrong. I was targeting your silly assertion that they could easily fit four, or maybe six, ports in the machine without making it larger.
 
Was I out of line? I never said Apple can do no wrong. I was targeting your silly assertion that they could easily fit four, or maybe six, ports in the machine without making it larger.

Why is that silly? Have you seen the side of it? There's clearly room for at least one more USB-C port next to the one that is there and the opposite side has plenty of room for the same. That's a bare minimum of 4 ports they COULD have offered. There's also the back of the computer that could have potentially been utilized. If it wouldn't work for motherboard/space/layout reasons, then they could have used a different layout or given another half inch of space to run the cabeling/traces/connections. The point is that ONE port that includes a power connections is ridiculous and I believe it will show in the sales figures. They are only hurting themselves. Given the price/performance ratio (very bad since it costs nearly as much as a larger MBP with all the gizmos and few, if any adapters needed to operate it, which adds to the cost) and "thin/light" is the ONLY selling point and the MBP is already a lot thinner and lighter than past models (e.g. my 2008 MBP weighed just over 5 pounds and it's still pretty darn thin and light, IMO). I might point out the talk of an even smaller/thinner iPhone "Mini" that never came to be and all the people that thought it made sense while those of us with larger hands kept pointing out that a LARGER iPhone made more sense to us were proven correct now tha the iPhone 6 Plus is one of their best sellers of all time (let alone the iPad that was basically all about a larger iPod Touch).

A better question might be when will it EVER be thin or light enough for people like Ive? They've compromised the connectivity and the CPU to get it that thin. Was the Air so freaking huge and heavy that it needed to be thinner and smaller? In other words, I don't know who their audience for that thing is, but it's clearly not me.

Before this, they lost a desktop sale when they refused to offer the quad-i7 dual-drive Mac Mini with the last update. Clearly, they feel the need to push their users to what they feel like selling rather than listen to what their users actually want. And while Apple is making lots of money (mostly on iOS devices these days), that doesn't mean they couldn't make MORE sales or that they aren't missing them by ignoring various market segments. The iMac 5k is the ONLY Mac I've seen that I'm half tempted to get and it's not because I like all-in-one designs or because I particularly want a 5k monitor (4k is more than I already have or need, IMO), but because of a happy coincidence (more power needed to drive that display), you can actually get a quite good GPU card in there that also works well for gaming (even without Windows, but particularly so with it). I'm doing a surprisingly large amount of gaming on this Mac Mini and considering its GPU and that ALL of the games I'm playing are Mac games (no Windows booting here, only VMWare for older stuff on XP and even 98), all the more surprising, but then companies like 4k actually support the Mac quite well (i.e. even Borderlands II the Pre-Sequel that just came out runs fine here at medium resolutions with high details) and having finally caved and bought Diablo III when I could get it for $20 and since they dumped that awful auction house, etc., I'm finding I can play it maxed out with my current monitor and it's still smooth. Compare that to Divinity: Original Sin that runs like garbage here no matter how low a resolution I go (i.e. bad support for Mac versus good support). And even though Torchlight II took forever to come out with the Mac version, it was well done (runs smooth as can be here). In other words, if Apple would support a gaming purposed Mac, it could do quite well at this point, particularly if they'd get OpenGL fully up-to-date.

The point is I'd like a Mac that can do everything I want it to do so I don't have to buy/run multiple computers. I don't think that's hard to achieve. The problem is that Apple has been hell bent on not selling such a thing. The only saving grace has been that Intel's GPUs have been getting a lot better the last few years.
 
Why is that silly? Have you seen the side of it? There's clearly room for at least one more USB-C port next to the one that is there and the opposite side has plenty of room for the same. That's a bare minimum of 4 ports they COULD have offered.

No. There is no room for ports on the sides. It's got an edge to edge keyboard, which previous machines didn't have. Remember that ports are three dimensional, with depth. You can't just photoshop a picture of a port on the edge of the computer.

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There's also the back of the computer that could have potentially been utilized.

Nope. You can't put ports on the back because of the way the the screen is hinged. If you plugged anything into the back, the lid wouldn't open. That too is shown in the image above.
 
No. There is no room for ports on the sides. It's got an edge to edge keyboard, which previous machines didn't have. Remember that ports are three dimensional, with depth. You can't just photoshop a picture of a port on the edge of the computer.

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Nope. You can't put ports on the back because of the way the the screen is hinged. If you plugged anything into the back, the lid wouldn't open. That too is shown in the image above.

These images give a clearer picture of the internals and the space available for the USB-C port. The keyboard and the batteries take up the available space for additional ports.

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No. There is no room for ports on the sides. It's got an edge to edge keyboard, which previous machines didn't have. Remember that ports are three dimensional, with depth. You can't just photoshop a picture of a port on the edge of the computer.

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Nope. You can't put ports on the back because of the way the the screen is hinged. If you plugged anything into the back, the lid wouldn't open. That too is shown in the image above.

It doesn't matter what you say to some folks. Their reply is always going to be that Apple could have added more ports. That's true. The counterpoint to that is that the design would have had to be changed in order to do so. Which they see as a worthwhile tradeoff. That's fine, but then Apple already makes other laptops where they make that tradeoff. They chose the smallest, lowest-power chip available to design the smallest, thinnest laptop they've ever made. Reducing the number of ports to the bare minimum seems right in line with that design ethos.
 
These images give a clearer picture of the internals and the space available for the USB-C port. The keyboard and the batteries take up the available space for additional ports.

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Those pictures seem to show there there is room for another port. There is a port in the upper left of the top photo, and there appears to be plenty of room for exactly the same thing in the upper right corner, which in the photo appears to be just aluminum.

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These images give a clearer picture of the internals and the space available for the USB-C port. The keyboard and the batteries take up the available space for additional ports.

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Huh, to me it looks like people who buy rMBP's with 28w processors that they don't need and ports that sit around unused the majority of time are the ones not thinking things through thoroughly.

I use four of my ports most of the time (including the power cable), and I use all the rest, except the ethernet, from time to time.
 
It doesn't matter what you say to some folks. Their reply is always going to be that Apple could have added more ports. That's true. The counterpoint to that is that the design would have had to be changed in order to do so. Which they see as a worthwhile tradeoff. That's fine, but then Apple already makes other laptops where they make that tradeoff. They chose the smallest, lowest-power chip available to design the smallest, thinnest laptop they've ever made. Reducing the number of ports to the bare minimum seems right in line with that design ethos.

The MacBook is just an extreme design. The very first design goal being weight, then size, then battery power. Obviously you can add more ports or lot of other things, but you'd give up on the primary design goals.

And all that is no problem except in some people's imagination, because Apple makes different laptops with different design priorities, and the MacBook is perfect for anyone who needs a very light laptop and doesn't need the ports, and a reasonable choice for those who need a very light laptop that can be attached to a monitor and a big external drive on a desk, and rubbish for others for which Apple has laptops that fit their needs much better.
 
Those pictures seem to show there there is room for another port. There is a port in the upper left of the top photo, and there appears to be plenty of room for exactly the same thing in the upper right corner, which in the photo appears to be just aluminum.


The upper right hand side is used for audio.
 
It doesn't matter what you say to some folks. Their reply is always going to be that Apple could have added more ports. That's true. The counterpoint to that is that the design would have had to be changed in order to do so. Which they see as a worthwhile tradeoff. That's fine, but then Apple already makes other laptops where they make that tradeoff. They chose the smallest, lowest-power chip available to design the smallest, thinnest laptop they've ever made. Reducing the number of ports to the bare minimum seems right in line with that design ethos.

not sure thats true.

The 11" MBA for example, at thin pint along the side, where the USB currently is, is a total of 80mm tall. and it is able to house both Magsafe and USBA on one side, and Thunderbolt and USB-A on the other.

While this new device is thinner, the portion of which that the ports sit isn't significantly so. An for An 11" MBA, the new MacBook is actually deeper.


I believe whole heartedly that APple could have potentially fit two USB-C ports, one on either side and shifted the AUdio down. (There's a current smartphone that manages to fit a 3.5mm audio jack in a 5mm phone, so thats no excuse either.

TO me, this was a concious design decision by Apple to push forward with a device with limited expansion natively. This wouldn't be far fetched to believe when you take into account the direction they have gone with the most recent iMac revision and Mac Mini.
 
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