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CaptRB

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Not really sure why the "I can't even plug my iPhone into my MBP!" argument comes up again and again...

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Seems to work for me whichever way I plug it in. Other things work too!

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Not that I ever actually have to plug anything in seeing as most things are wireless these days. But at least I know I can if I need to. If people really can't plug their stuff in I suggest you take it straight back to Apple, they may have forgotten to cut the USB ports into the shell or something.



Can you PLEASE stop plugging stuff into your MBP? I will report you to Apple.

Sure, mine plugs into 4 different phones, Regardless DAC, Nikon and Canon DSLRs, high end projection systems, Displays from Sony/Dell/Mistu/Samsung/Toshiba, 5 different hard drives, and even my Star Trek BT Communicator.

But that's just a fluke!

How dare Apple provide me with 4 ports that do everything perfectly. I'm really outraged by having these options and choices totally under my control.


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SteveJUAE

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That's pretty funny. But I must warn you; you're talking to a few people who aren't interested in anything substantive when it comes to this discussion. Most have not used these machines in a professional setting and thus cannot be taken seriously...and I don't.

These people don't want to hear that USB-C is stable, fast and hugely versatile. They want holes in their computers for their specific needs. That's the whole story because USB-C does it all and does it better. Making a fuss over a dongle is pretty much embarrassing at this point.


It's just arrogant to be so dismissive and rude of others needs or viewpoints

The fact you are a minority user group (As recently noted by Apple) in a specialised profession with some obscure examples of successful connections with USB-C adapters etc that are probably not typical for 85% of MBP/rMB owners and possibly more, who may simply have different requirements, scenarios or devices.

I think it is not unreasonable for some to comment on the possible lack of thoughtfulness of Apple for some scenarios during this transition period.

Playing around with dongles, connectors, adaptors is always a pain (YMMV) to some degree regardless whether its USB-A or C

USB-C to USB-C cables remain for the future a source of confusion and annoyance for many due to the varying capabilities and availability
 

Queen6

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The fellow above blocked me and actually took the time to send me a PM to tell me that he blocked me. I'm not kidding!

That alone should tell you that we're not dealing with "normal" here and Apple spent millions in market research on this. They didn't just ram USB-C down everyone's throats and they knew perfectly well that they'd get some backlash.

But professionals like me voted YES to ports that could do it all. There was no VALID info suggesting that it was inherently weaker or less stable to use an extra cable or dongle. After all, many of us have been using them for years. The concept is simple: Here are do-anything ports. Now add what YOU need. Adding extra ports that a lot of people don't need is stupid and wasteful.

I use SD and CF cards all the time. I'd like the SD card slot back, but if I'm being HONEST, using the reader doesn't effect me at all. It might effect someone with OCD, but that's not me. Nor does it effect me (again being honest and real) to use HDMI adapters.

Now if I wanted to have a total hissy-fit, I could stamp my feet and carry on about this to no avail. I could post again and again how Apple forced me to lose seconds and even whole minutes every year plugging extra stuff in. That's time wasted where I could be curing cancer, fixing global warming and defining Covfefe for Websters.

By swallowing sacrificing "all" of that, I ended up with the best MacBook Pro I've owned thus far (7 to date). Better screen, better speakers, better keyboard, trackpad....touchbar, SSD and now we even have the superior processor. And you mean all I have to do is buy a few dongles?

Done. This is just common sense and seeing how well the new MBP is selling, a lot of people have that sense.




R
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This; In a professional environment it's simply not acceptable. So yes I did make a change, a change of the company providing the notebook, which to date has never failed to connect to an external display source...

Q-6



This is the sort of comment that worries me because it's no longer relevant. I don't use my machines in a household for my wife, I need them to work in a professional venue. I also don't make evaluations based on my wife using an ancient laptop.

My 2015 15" MBP had issues with Sony Bavaria displays (including one that I own now) and had issues with some projectors. I carried some adapters and that was often the cure.

My new 2016 15" and 13" have had no issues with ANY display, including the Sony Bavaria, Sony True HD projectors, Samsung 4K, Dell. BTW, the 14 thousand dollar Sony projector would not work with the 2015 MBP via HDMI out AT ALL, but did work via an adapter.

The USB-C ports WORK. They're incredibly versatile. Yes, you need to LEARN a few things to get the best/most out of them and for that Apple is so sorry. Apple attempted to apologize by handing you a better laptop in almost every way.

Welcome to 2016.


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It may work for you, equally wake up, understand the we all don't share the same usage and workflow, if it "Just Worked" I could live with a few more dongles & adaptors, however it simply doesn't simple as that, nor is there any realistic alternative.

Stop assuming your usage matches mine, or others simple as that, as all things are not equal. I purchase what works best for me, what will assist me to generate the most revenue. I could careless of the provider, or the cost of the hardware, what I do care about is that the hardware & software solution delivers.

Apple has marginalised a good number of it's professorial user base by moving ever closer to the base consumer, equally so be it as ever more will look for other solutions...

If the 2016 redesign of the MBP was the best option for me, I would be responding on one, owing both high tier 13" & 15" as per the previous iterations. In all transparency I am looking at the 2017 15" MBP, equally I still have significant issue with the design and usability.

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killawat

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Lets be real for a second, if Apple offered a PhatBook Pro+™ with all the ports and optical drives you guys could handle, would you even buy it? So many people clambering for the 17" MacBook Pro to return, but how many did they sell?

Before you Come At Me Bro™, stop. Remember expresscard? I was an expresscard enthusiast (still am on the weekends), I thought it was the coolest thing on the planet and for several years I was the only person in a circle of MBP owners to actually use it every. day. Many people didn't even know what it was! I'm like, hey did you know you can do all this awesome stuff with your expresscard slot (back in 2006!!!). It does make a convenient Q-tip holder, but it can also do USB-3, and PCIE Graphics cards, and SSDs, and...and.....

What does any of this have to do with our discussion today about USB-C? Hold on, I'm getting there.

Part of the reason we don't have one today is because 17" Retina panels are tough to make. Ok. I get that, but lets look at the numbers.

Mactrast said:
Kuo estimates that Apple sold roughly 3.1 million notebooks in the first calendar quarter of 2012. Nearly half of those were the 13-inch MacBook Pro. He sees sales of roughly 500,000 15-inch models, and only 50,000 17-inch models. Kuo also estimates first quarter MacBook Air sales comes in at around 1.1 million, split almost evenly between 11-inch and 13-inch models.

And there we have it. The 17" MBP was the pinnacle of getting s*** done. Three USB ports, thunderbolt, expresscard, you could run an empire off that thing easily.

And now its gone. Because no one bought it. The sales numbers are not driven by IO. They never have been and never will be. Thus, the consumer really didn't value the extra screen real estate, USB port and expresscard slot as much as everyone here would have you believe.

The MBP is about THIN and LIGHT. With as much power as one can fit into such an enclosure. Thank you Ives.

We can argue till the cows come home, but most people don't want a giant MBP with a million I/O options. It just isn't sexy enough.
 

turbineseaplane

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The MBP is about THIN and LIGHT. With as much power as one can fit into such an enclosure

Right - But how thin and light is the debate...
The 2015's are very nice and thin and were certainly sexy and light and all the rage..

Did it need to get thinner?
And are we sure the current design couldn't handle a couple USB-A ports and an SD reader? (as examples)
 

Abazigal

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Dongle fest!
Sa-weet!

Dongles! Dongles everywhere!

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*Photo isn't mine. Just showing what can be possible with a little less resistance to change and a little more open-mindedness.
 

turbineseaplane

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Dongles! Dongles everywhere!

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*Photo isn't mine. Just showing what can be possible with a little less resistance to change and a little more open-mindedness.


I'm totally tapped out on this..

You guys don't seem to want to listen to those of us frustrated by this.

It's not any kind of resistance to change at all. It's a matter of living and working in fully entrenched eco-systems of existing connections that needed no adaptation and aren't going anywhere anytime soon, and in many cases are out of our control.

I wish everyone could just realize that just because going "all in" with where Apple is pushing things right now works great for you, there are very different users out there for whom it's a zero benefit, all hassle, situation for the foreseeable future.
 
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Queen6

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Dongles! Dongles everywhere!

*Photo isn't mine. Just showing what can be possible with a little less resistance to change and a little more open-mindedness.

Point missed entirely for those of us on the go. Major multinationals are not going to switch to USB, just because Apple want's to impress the Starbucks crowd...

Generally in the majority of facilities everything is "hardwired" which makes your scenario pointless outside of home use. USB C/TB-3 is without any doubt the future, equally lets revisit this in 4-5 years ...

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Abazigal

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I'm totally tapped out on this..

You guys don't seem to want to listen to those of us frustrated by this.

It's not any kind of resistance to change at all. It's a matter of living and working in fully entrenched eco-systems of existing connections that needed no adaptation and aren't going anywhere anytime soon, and in many cases are out of our control.

I wish everyone could just realize that just because going "all in" with where Apple is pushing things right now works great for you, there are very different users out there for whom it's a zero benefit, all hassle, situation for the foreseeable future.

I could say the same for the detractors.

You all seem convinced that USB C is some plot hatched by Apple to screw around with their users and appear utterly unwilling to compromise and adapt whatsoever.

Time and time again, technology finds those that prefer to fixate on obstacles as seeing only one aspect of the change rather than how one change can cause many things to change as a reaction to a new normal.

The crux of all of these is that in times of platform shifts there are two types of people. There are people that embrace the shift, perhaps out of enthusiasm, fandom, or maybe just because they don’t know any better. Then there are people that do know better, but just see the challenges in changing and use those challenges to anchor criticism.

The fact that change takes time should not cause those of us that know the limitations of something new to dig our heels in. Importantly, if you are a "professional" as you people so like to style yourselves as, then by definition, you should be getting ahead of the change or you will soon find yourself behind.

USB C on the MacBook is a factor. All the whining in the world isn't going to fix that. The question ought to be about what you as an individual are going to do to not just adapt, but also thrive in this brace new world and come out on top.
 
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turbineseaplane

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I could say the same for the detractors.

You all seem convinced that USB C is some plot hatched by Apple to screw around with their users and appear utterly unwilling to compromise and adapt whatsoever.

Time and time again, technology finds those that prefer to fixate on obstacles as seeing only one aspect of the change rather than how one change can cause many things to change as a reaction to a new normal.

The crux of all of these is that in times of platform shifts there are two types of people. There are people that embrace the shift, perhaps out of enthusiasm, fandom, or maybe just because they don’t know any better. Then there are people that do know better, but just see the challenges in changing and use those challenges to anchor criticism.

The fact that change takes time should not cause those of us that know the limitations of something new to dig our heels in. Importantly, if you are a "professional" as you people so like to style yourselves as, then by definition, you should be getting ahead of the change or you will soon find yourself behind.

USB C on the MacBook is a factor. All the whining in the world isn't going to fix that. The question ought to be about what you as an individual are going to do to not just adapt, but also thrive in this brace new world and come out on top.

You're either choosing not to read what I'm writing or being disingenuous sir.

I work in environments (mobile, between many places) where I have very little control over the legacy port situation. Dongles suck for my usage.

It really is not a lack of desire to change or adapt.
It's mainly a lack of ability. And that lack of ability to control more aspects of things does manifest itself in a lack of desire due to it being a zero gain, all pain, situation.

Do you understand what I am saying?

Would you please be kind enough to acknowledge that there are some of us with different situations where this is not ideal at all?
 
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CaptRB

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This is the sort of comment that worries me because it's no longer relevant. I don't use my machines in a household for my wife, I need them to work in a professional venue. I also don't make evaluations based on my wife using an ancient laptop.

My 2015 15" MBP had issues with Sony Bavaria displays (including one that I own now) and had issues with some projectors. I carried some adapters and that was often the cure.

My new 2016 15" and 13" have had no issues with ANY display, including the Sony Bavaria, Sony True HD projectors, Samsung 4K, Dell. BTW, the 14 thousand dollar Sony projector would not work with the 2015 MBP via HDMI out AT ALL, but did work via an adapter.

The USB-C ports WORK. They're incredibly versatile. Yes, you need to LEARN a few things to get the best/most out of them and for that Apple is so sorry. Apple attempted to apologize by handing you a better laptop in almost every way.

Welcome to 2016.


R.

It may work for you, equally wake up, understand the we all don't share the same usage and workflow, if it "Just Worked" I could live with a few more dongles & adaptors, however it simply doesn't simple as that, nor is there any realistic alternative.

Stop assuming your usage matches mine, or others simple as that, as all things are not equal. I purchase what works best for me, what will assist me to generate the most revenue. I could careless of the provider, or the cost of the hardware, what I do care about is that the hardware & software solution delivers.

Apple has marginalised a good number of it's professorial user base by moving ever closer to the base consumer, equally so be it as ever more will look for other solutions...

If the 2016 redesign of the MBP was the best option for me, I would be responding on one, owing both high tier 13" & 15" as per the previous iterations. In all transparency I am looking at the 2017 15" MBP, equally I still have significant issue with the design and usability.

Q-6[/QUOTE]



Can you please explain how the new Touchbar MBP failed to work for you and how it effected your workflow?

I'd expect you'd have some examples and not basing this on experience with ancient tech.

I have yet to hear of ANYTHING these new machines cannot work with. As I explained, they're MORE compatible with external devices than prior machines. I know for a FACT because I owned both.

So please share your experience with the new machines.


R.

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It's just arrogant to be so dismissive and rude of others needs or viewpoints

The fact you are a minority user group (As recently noted by Apple) in a specialised profession with some obscure examples of successful connections with USB-C adapters etc that are probably not typical for 85% of MBP/rMB owners and possibly more, who may simply have different requirements, scenarios or devices.

I think it is not unreasonable for some to comment on the possible lack of thoughtfulness of Apple for some scenarios during this transition period.

Playing around with dongles, connectors, adaptors is always a pain (YMMV) to some degree regardless whether its USB-A or C

USB-C to USB-C cables remain for the future a source of confusion and annoyance for many due to the varying capabilities and availability



Which new MBP do you own? Can you share specific examples of how it failed you on a job? I hope you're not another non-owner here to trash something you have no working experience with.

I keep hearing about these other "needs" but I can't get a straight answer so far! If you want respect, EARN it by backing up what you say with experience and knowledge.

PS: I had no idea that connecting to a variety of monitors made me an obscure demographic. It seems that the TOP complaint is about exactly that, so please tell us your experiences.
We'd all like to hear it!


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vipergts2207

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I'm totally tapped out on this..

You guys don't seem to want to listen to those of us frustrated by this.

It's not any kind of resistance to change at all. It's a matter of living and working in fully entrenched eco-systems of existing connections that needed no adaptation and aren't going anywhere anytime soon, and in many cases are out of our control.

I wish everyone could just realize that just because going "all in" with where Apple is pushing things right now works great for you, there are very different users out there for whom it's a zero benefit, all hassle, situation for the foreseeable future.


I don't want to use an adapter.
 
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William Payne

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For those of you anti dongles crowd saying that it doesn't work for you what ports are you guys encountering that you need to be prepared for?

USB-A? if you have a piece of equipment with a hardwired cable with a male USB-A end on it then you need a USB-A female to USB-C male adapter.

If you have a female USB-A port that you need to plug your laptop into then you just need a Male USB-A to Male USB-C cable.

Replace USB-A with whatever other port you are dealing with and the same will generally apply. There are cables or adapters for nearly anything you could need to plug into.

Is it as easy as just plugging straight into the laptop? no. But if you choose to buy the latest MacBooks this is what you have to do.

Also silly question for future reference is Apple the best cable/dongle maker to buy from for compatibility? I am not worried about the price of the cables or dongles only that they offer the best compatibility available. Just want to be prepared for when I buy the new MacBook pro.
 

killawat

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For those of you anti dongles crowd saying that it doesn't work for you what ports are you guys encountering that you need to be prepared for?

USB and HDMI are usually the chief complaints.

But wait a minute. VGA is still popular in many many many classrooms, professional environments™, stuffy corporate offices and in some cases it is the only option for certain types of cable runs. But full flavor VGA was never, ever offered on any of the MacBook Pro and was short lived on the initial powerbook. and HDMI was only offered for as long as the rMBP.

The video situation has been dongle based for years all the way to the mini-vga and DVI back in 2002 a la powerbook, back when they cost $2500 a piece and no one complained. Back when Apple was nice enough to include that stuff in the box. But how many projectors, in 2002, were using DVI? Few. I used one, it was very very, very expensive, had a whole bunch of inputs (component, some other stuff) but most people used VGA. I don't remember the complaints being this loud.

And when the rMBP was released with the HDMI port, yeah it was nice, but people still using Mini DisplayPort to VGA adapters to get the job done. Ethernet was dropped as well. There was some complaining but nothing... nothing like this.
 
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New_Mac_Smell

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USB and HDMI are usually the chief complaints.

But wait a minute. VGA is still popular in many many many classrooms, professional environments™, stuffy corporate offices and in some cases it is the only option for certain types of cable runs. But full flavor VGA was never, ever offered on any of the MacBook Pro and was short lived on the initial powerbook. and HDMI was only offered for as long as the rMBP.

The video situation has been dongle based for years all the way to the mini-vga and DVI back in 2002 a la powerbook, back when they cost $2500 a piece and no one complained. Back when Apple was nice enough to include that stuff in the box. But how many projectors, in 2002, were using DVI? Few. I used one, it was very very, very expensive, had a whole bunch of inputs (component, some other stuff) but most people used VGA. I don't remember the complaints being this loud.

And when the rMBP was released with the HDMI port, yeah it was nice, but people still using Mini DisplayPort to VGA adapters to get the job done. Ethernet was dropped as well. There was some complaining but nothing... nothing like this.

Was just going to point that out.

Pretty much every company I've worked in has been using VGA and Windows XP (Some may have upgraded to 7) forever now. Because computers cost money, and business like to make money. So when the project room is staffed by managers and HR, they really don't need USB-C or much else. Creative side of things is different, but it's very rare I needed to plug in my high end PC into a low resolution monitor of theirs. And I sure as hell ain't wanting my computers capabilities dictated by the business side of the market!

HDMI though, let's be honest, it was never meant for PC's. VGA dates back to 1985. And DVI was the PC version of HDMI. My solution has always been to carry a whatever-VGA/DVI dongle with me incase I need it, as their about the only connectors I can guarantee to find on a TV or projector.

But I have my work flow and then the work flow when I need to connect to others. I won't limit my experience because of that. I will make concessions and not expect a client to have a USB-C/HDMI adapter, the same I wouldn't expect them to have a Thunderbolt/HDMI adapter. I also wouldn't expect them to have a USB-C/USB-A adapter either so if I need to plug something in, I bring that along just incase. But I'm not going to use a computer built for the 2000s just because the majority of businesses are using computers from that era.

What I like about USB-C is that it does everything, is small, and reversible. I don't need to worry if my laptop has an HDMI/VGA/DVI/AUX/S-Video or whatever port on it, as USB-C can be adapted into anything. Yes it means preparing to ensure I can, but at least I can prepare instead of having to procure a different machine for that one purpose. And even if I wasn't able to I'd just do the same thing we've all done for decades now, copy the data onto a flash drive and plug it into their PC!
 

SteveJUAE

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Which new MBP do you own? Can you share specific examples of how it failed you on a job? I hope you're not another non-owner here to trash something you have no working experience with.

I keep hearing about these other "needs" but I can't get a straight answer so far! If you want respect, EARN it by backing up what you say with experience and knowledge.

PS: I had no idea that connecting to a variety of monitors made me an obscure demographic. It seems that the TOP complaint is about exactly that, so please tell us your experiences.We'd all like to hear it!

I think you’re getting me mixed up with someone else although I understand others concerns re dongles etc and have experienced it myself but I have limited my main observations to the USB-C to USB-C cable issues not dongles and adaptors

I'm not sure why yourself, others or I have to demonstrate or explain themselves, it's simple trust. We give you the benefit of the doubt you’re not some snotty nose kid sitting in your mums lounge and you are connecting to some telescope or expensive professional grade photographic equipment outside the range of even the most ardent armature and maybe other professionals in similar fields, hence the obscure demographic note and your own recent quote of "Nobody else is doing this"

Unfortunate I only occasionally use my Mac products within my profession as they are simply not very well suited for heavy engineering and are not supported by my Company polices, although I do use them whilst travelling and some homework, else, my other W10 laptops tend to get far more use professionally.

Having probably been using only USB-C laptops longer than yourself with 2 rMB 1st gen's, Samsung 2 in 1 and a B&O speaker (prior to MBP late 2016 release ) plus more recently Samsung S8 and S8+ phones along with an array of dongles and connectors.

Problems many encounter with USB-C are not limited to Apple however:

My first observation especially when travelling internationally my little Tumi compact backpack that I use for my smallest laptops was only accompanied with a single freebie flight case that I use to stuff my cables and USB sticks etc in has now got a brother since USB-C as the permutations on connectivity has increased for all my little bits and pieces collection

On my travels I yet to encounter any public services facilitating USB-C or even hotels for those odd occasions you need something let alone corporate offices and meeting rooms

On a side issue I see some in jest note the disappearance of DVD drives, yet in Asia stalls selling movies/music are some of the most prevalent and forget about popping down to your local 7 - 11 to get a broken or lost cable or charger for USB-C

I noted that some user thought Apple had been bold and had several 1st of which most were not true however Apple model user (ie 85% is nonprofessional users) is probably far removed from the vast majority on other PC/Laptop users outside of some premium brands. It’s likely USB-A and even DVD will be here for quite some time yet

My second observation over the last 2 years on connectively:

I have had on several occasions where Apple 3 in 1 dock works in some scenarios across devices and not in others. Mainly with HDMI being the most troublesome and to a lesser degree with some legacy thumb drives, although equally I have seen the reverse with the Samsung similar dongle that is smaller and cost me half as much and stays cooler (no power cable connected)

Often the Apple dongle is not recognised nor is through charging.

The triple dongle was less reliable than the single for connectivity on my superdive and my wife’s Fitbit plus others

I was hesitant in using my Apple charger for my phones not knowing for sure if the Phones were smart enough to control the charging, it seems to work but the fast charge notification does not appear, It still remains a concern on long term issues using Apple charger and cable in this scenario.

Samsung charger is not powerful enough even to be recognised as a shutdown trickle charge on the rMB.

The Apple brick is also a pain at times as it is a USB-C only where the Samsung is USB-A port with a USB-A to USB-C cable so depending what’s laying around your for ever swapping bits and pieces between all our devices

The Apple supplied cable is only USB 2.0 where my other Samsung cable that looks identical is USB 3.0 so time to breakout the dyno labelling machine LOL

My Bose cable is a charge cable only

My legacy devices like micro usb stick needs an adaptor on an adapter and plugging in my multi card reader to an adapter is just plan ugly solution

Fortunately I have no use of ultra-high speed cables but when I do I can’t get them from Apple or Samsung where I prefer when possible not to buy 3rd party goods as OEM parts ensure 100% warranty cover, end of story

I once had an issue in a hotel with wifi and had to resort to Ethernet connection of 3 parts piggy backed

I’m sure if I think a bit more I can come up with a few more trivial issues I have encountered LOL that are of course not necessarily Apples fault but are indicative of little things that can occur with USB C or A but has increased due to USB-C adaptors

Whilst I managed to get connected one way or another the simple fact in my user experience USB-C has brought no significant advantages over USB-A other than I can be assured of getting the plug around the right way up to 10000 times. I still have to have multiple cables and bits if not more and I have to be more aware of cable types.

I fully support USB-C for the future and appreciate that for OEM’s it can facilitate better design configurations of devices by the ability to combine ports in to a smaller footprint

You could consider those that do not need all these legacy connections are served better as they can choose via external add-ons etc and not numerous holes in their laptops they never use, let alone some green issues and those that do not want a collection of free adaptors they do not use. However there again the MBP ability to drive 4x4k monitors natively is a minority requirement that somehow is not viewed as a similar burden that could be resolved via an adaptor/hub for those that want it :rolleyes:

However this is where the inconsistency and some of the objections arise for some during this transition period especially with some users interpretation of Apple systems.

I have seen so many times with IPhone discussion on native apps over downloaded Android equivalents keeps them buying Apple yet the whole USB-C ports, cables adaptors, hubs etc etc is a complete mishmash across Apple products that promote some eco solution on one hand and nothing in the next and burden is shifted to the user without little or no direct support even in store for the novice

Given the latest Apple offerings for Laptops are as noted by Apple 85% for users who are not using them for professional software on a regular basis. The occurrences with legacy devices requiring little adaptor solutions is a higher probability IMO and as we see different users have different tolerances to these issues. My own tolerance being relatively high hence my posts have been more cable related than adaptors etc but my sympathies lie with those that find it more troublesome than I.

As I have noted before USB-C seems one step forward and 2 backwards currently and has not universally now or for the foreseeable made life easier YMMV on the extent inconvenience during transitioning but until there is a one cable solution especially now more products are emerging it will remain a source of confusion for many and troublesome for some.
 
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