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[QUOTE="turbineseaplane, post: 24682811, member: 172718"Actually, I do have to say that was an issue in my household with my wife. Her older 2013 with a built in HDMI port was 100% flawless with the port to her monitor and she had nothing but issues with the USB-C AV adapter (which has HDMI) on the same screen/cable setup. Waking from sleep became unreliable and was very annoying.[/QUOTE]

This; In a professional environment it's simply not acceptable. So yes I did make a change, a change of the company providing the notebook, which to date has never failed to connect to an external display source...

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Sorry I did wonder if your post was on the sarcastic side. But I still stand behind my comment. Not so much directed at you. But more the fact that I have met people exactly like you described.

Well it's a worrying state of the forum if that post even remotely looks anything but complete sarcastic irony.

Fanboys exist in every world, which is what that section was directed at. Android people smugly claim something, Apple people claim something, those 2 Microsoft fanboys claim something. The rest of us don't care enough and understand a product is a piece of technology not a religious artefact, and hopefully have a more objective view of it.
 
Fair points - But would you acknowledge that it is a much larger and more consistent PITA (USB-A & SD cards specifically for me) for many of us?

It just doesn't seem unreasonable to have offered some transition time/ports for the 2016-2018 period of time. USB-C has a long ways to go in terms of penetrating all over.

Or maybe they could have thrown in a nice assortment of dongles perhaps. Maybe that would have been at least some kind of gesture. Or good lord, at least keep the prices lowered how they had them for a while.

Just super frustrating (again- for some of us - not all, I get that)



The fellow above blocked me and actually took the time to send me a PM to tell me that he blocked me. I'm not kidding!

That alone should tell you that we're not dealing with "normal" here and Apple spent millions in market research on this. They didn't just ram USB-C down everyone's throats and they knew perfectly well that they'd get some backlash.

But professionals like me voted YES to ports that could do it all. There was no VALID info suggesting that it was inherently weaker or less stable to use an extra cable or dongle. After all, many of us have been using them for years. The concept is simple: Here are do-anything ports. Now add what YOU need. Adding extra ports that a lot of people don't need is stupid and wasteful.

I use SD and CF cards all the time. I'd like the SD card slot back, but if I'm being HONEST, using the reader doesn't effect me at all. It might effect someone with OCD, but that's not me. Nor does it effect me (again being honest and real) to use HDMI adapters.

Now if I wanted to have a total hissy-fit, I could stamp my feet and carry on about this to no avail. I could post again and again how Apple forced me to lose seconds and even whole minutes every year plugging extra stuff in. That's time wasted where I could be curing cancer, fixing global warming and defining Covfefe for Websters.

By swallowing sacrificing "all" of that, I ended up with the best MacBook Pro I've owned thus far (7 to date). Better screen, better speakers, better keyboard, trackpad....touchbar, SSD and now we even have the superior processor. And you mean all I have to do is buy a few dongles?

Done. This is just common sense and seeing how well the new MBP is selling, a lot of people have that sense.




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[QUOTE="turbineseaplane, post: 24682811, member: 172718"Actually, I do have to say that was an issue in my household with my wife. Her older 2013 with a built in HDMI port was 100% flawless with the port to her monitor and she had nothing but issues with the USB-C AV adapter (which has HDMI) on the same screen/cable setup. Waking from sleep became unreliable and was very annoying.

This; In a professional environment it's simply not acceptable. So yes I did make a change, a change of the company providing the notebook, which to date has never failed to connect to an external display source...

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This is the sort of comment that worries me because it's no longer relevant. I don't use my machines in a household for my wife, I need them to work in a professional venue. I also don't make evaluations based on my wife using an ancient laptop.

My 2015 15" MBP had issues with Sony Bavaria displays (including one that I own now) and had issues with some projectors. I carried some adapters and that was often the cure.

My new 2016 15" and 13" have had no issues with ANY display, including the Sony Bavaria, Sony True HD projectors, Samsung 4K, Dell. BTW, the 14 thousand dollar Sony projector would not work with the 2015 MBP via HDMI out AT ALL, but did work via an adapter.

The USB-C ports WORK. They're incredibly versatile. Yes, you need to LEARN a few things to get the best/most out of them and for that Apple is so sorry. Apple attempted to apologize by handing you a better laptop in almost every way.

Welcome to 2016.


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Yeah, more little pieces of non-hardware that I don't need and would end up in a Ziplock bag anyway.

Oh.
I didn't realize your needs were all that mattered.

You really don't think any buyers at all would have appreciated a few USB-A to USB-C adapters thrown in?

Perhaps to maybe connect their iPhone?
 
Oh.
I didn't realize your needs were all that mattered.

You really don't think any buyers at all would have appreciated a few USB-A to USB-C adapters thrown in?

Perhaps to maybe connect their iPhone?

Okay, let's see if you can predict which dongles I want pre-packaged with my next MBPro.

Aaaaaaaand.... Go!
 
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Okay, let's see if you can predict which dongles I want pre-packaged with my next MBPro.

Aaaaaaaand.... Go!



That's pretty funny. But I must warn you; you're talking to a few people who aren't interested in anything substantive when it comes to this discussion. Most have not used these machines in a professional setting and thus cannot be taken seriously...and I don't.

These people don't want to hear that USB-C is stable, fast and hugely versatile. They want holes in their computers for their specific needs. That's the whole story because USB-C does it all and does it better. Making a fuss over a dongle is pretty much embarrassing at this point.





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Okay, let's see if you can predict which dongles I want pre-packaged with my next MBPro.

Aaaaaaaand.... Go!

You skipped right over the part about a couple USB-A connectors.
You don't think a lot of general buyers would've found those pretty handy?

What would've been really cool is if for the first year of this they offered you two connectors of your choice right off the shelf at the store when you buy the laptop…

That way everyone could get a couple they might need included right out of the gate and it wouldnt be a nickel and dime situation fully created by Apple itself by removing all the ports.

And if it's someone like you who doesn't need any… Nothing wasted
 
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And if it's someone like you who doesn't need any… Nothing wasted
So why would I want to pay for things that I wouldn't use? I should be able to pay a discounted price, then, right?

Seems like it'd be simpler to just let new owners buy what they need at the store.
 
So why would I want to pay for things that I wouldn't use? I should be able to pay a discounted price, then, right?

Seems like it'd be simpler to just let new owners buy what they need at the store.

I think you know what I'm saying…

It just would be nice if they'd include a couple of their super cheap to produce C to A adapters that a huge percentage of their audience likely needs or would have use for, if for no other reason then to plug in your iPhone.

It's simply a gesture of goodwill of the type that Apple had previously been known for over the years.
 
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So why would I want to pay for things that I wouldn't use? I should be able to pay a discounted price, then, right?

Seems like it'd be simpler to just let new owners buy what they need at the store.



Don't you get it? Apple built a machine that works for pretty much everyone. Or at least everyone who's willing to make a tiny adjustment in how they work. In exchange they handed over faster, lighter, smaller laptops with superior screens, speakers and so on.

But then there's "this guy." This Guy is anyone who freaks out when a small change effects how they work. Often it has little to do with reality and This Guy wants the device to follow what they want. He'll cry a lot as the rest of the world moves forward, then finally quietly accept the change.

This is way it's been since computers became commonplace. And so it shall remain.


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Or heck...How about just keeping those lower prices they had for a while on the dongles?
The pricing is silly on those.
 
When my aunt bought her first MB Pro this winter, she asked if it could plug into an external display and her well-worn wired mouse. I pointed her to the USBC-to-power-and-video-and-USBA adapter. So, that's what she's using now, and she says it works great.

Three connections in one. Not bad.

When I take my work laptop to the office, it needs a docking station the size of a laser printer toner cartridge to achieve the same result. If I expect to take it anywhere else, guess what I need? Yup: adapters and cables.
 
As I said. Done and Done.

He has no experience with the new machines, but has a list of why he can't possibly adapt. Somebody send him a Vic 20 and call it a day.

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Maybe I was being too obtuse with where I was going --

I think it'd be a terrible idea to include a few adapters as a "pack-in" with a new MB Pro. Nobody here, never mind Apple themselves, could predict which adapters I might need, if any at all.

Therefore, any adapters that arrive with a new laptop stand a good chance of going unused, and would end up in my box of outdated stuff.

(yeah, Apple could include a USB A-to-C dongle, but that'd just slow industry adoption -- if you make USB sticks, why switch your factory to USB-C if everyone can keep using USB-A? -- and besides, I could move my phone's USB-A-to-Lightning cable to the car or my bedroom)
 
Or heck...How about just keeping those lower prices they had for a while on the dongles?
The pricing is silly on those.
I am surprised they didn't keep the prices for good, all those prices should come down because right now they are overpriced even for Apple
 
@BarracksSi

Do you feel it's a problem at all that plugging in the iPhone requires an adapter that is not included with the phone or the laptop?
A minor one, if at all, because it won't be needed for long enough to be useful.

I'd rather take the opportunity to get a fresh cable than get yet another adapter that will inevitably end up packed away with my FW800-to-FW300 dongle, Mini Display-Port-to-[I forget which]-video adapter, USB-to-SCSI (I think... it came with the CD-RW drive I bought to go with my first-gen iBook), USB dial-up modem (which I think I used once), 30-pin iPod dock with video and audio out, 30-pin adapter cable with multiple analog outputs (predating HDMI, so it's hardly useful today)....

USB-C/TB3 is the closest we've gotten in the past thirty years to a single do-it-all connector, and I think it's fantastic. I'll be happy when it becomes widely used.
 
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USB-C/TB3 is the closest we've gotten in the past thirty years to a single do-it-all connector, and I think it's fantastic.

Careful there… You just stumbled into one of the problems right away
(USB-C and TB3 and not all ports/cables being equal)
 
Careful there… You just stumbled into one of the problems right away

(USB-C and TB3 and not all ports/cables being equal)

True... but it's a step in the right direction.

Why have two different ports for two different things... when one port can do both (and more) ?

Ports have always been crazy. For instance... we went from VGA to DVI, analog to digital.

Great.

But since the switch to digital... there have been additional ports that all do the same thing. DVI, DisplayPort, Mini Displayport, HDMI, MiniHDMI, MicroHDMI, etc. They all carry digital signals. The only difference is the shape of the port. Why?

And that's just video... there have been other ports that do different tasks.

Well now there is one port that can do many tasks.

Let's hope the USB-C port with its compact size and 24 pins can last for a while. A decade or more will be nice.

And yes.... let's figure out the cable situation while we're at it. ;)
 
Not really sure why the "I can't even plug my iPhone into my MBP!" argument comes up again and again...

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Seems to work for me whichever way I plug it in. Other things work too!

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Not that I ever actually have to plug anything in seeing as most things are wireless these days. But at least I know I can if I need to. If people really can't plug their stuff in I suggest you take it straight back to Apple, they may have forgotten to cut the USB ports into the shell or something.
 
Not that I ever actually have to plug anything in seeing as most things are wireless these days. But at least I know I can if I need to. If people really can't plug their stuff in I suggest you take it straight back to Apple, they may have forgotten to cut the USB ports into the shell or something.

I use the left ports for power and video.

I'm glad we can both choose what works for us.
 
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