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Folks, as a film critic, I can tell you that Harry Knowles and his penchant for jumping on every rumor that got slipped his way... absolutely reduced his credibility to ash. He got caught on more than one occasion reporting false rumors that were deliberately planted by anonymous tipsters just to set him up and expose him as a big fraud. He also further damaged his credibility by lavishing a screenplay with praise, which it happens was written by one of his contributors. He also took a hit for ignoring embargo rules we critics agree upon in order to get access to things the studios are under no obligation to grant us... and he is banned from 20th Century Fox screenings. He went very quickly from being a big powerbroker to a fat twerp whose back was crushed by 1200 pounds of his comic/movie memorabilia (pronounced: "hubris")... and in the interim, others have quickly taken his place.
Nice story. Now if you would only enlighten us as to what the hell any of that has to do with any of this? How does Harry Knowles falling for bogus rumors relate to Gizmodo, Mac Rumors et al reporting stuff about the iPhone 4 that's perfectly real?

Was the Gizmodo story about the leaked iPhone 4 a mere rumor that turned out to be bogus (I seem to remember pictures of the near-final product)? Are the reports of the iPhone antenna issue fabrications? Have CNN, NYT, WSJ, FT, ABC, FOX, BBC and CBS lost all credibilty now, seeing as they related the exact same story?

So, in summary, what you'd like to say is "be warned, bloggers: Don't do apples, look what happened to Harry Knowles when he did oranges". Mmmmkay...
 
Doing you guys think maybe many people are having dropped calls because the proximity issue and not the reception issue? If they are accidently hitting the mute or end button with their cheeks than I can see why people are having some so-called dropped calls. If this is the case than maybe the antenna reception isn't all too bad in the first place.
 
This is the new blogging paradigm. Gizmodo and all other blogger morons are on a warpath because Apple has gone from being the underdog to being the establishment. The last straw was Gizmodo being scorned for taking their tabloid blogging (read: NOT JOURNALISM) too far... limiting opportunities for the rumor mill.

Combine that with Independence Day, slow news week, and Apple surpassing MS market cap (going from underdog to zeitgeist)... and what do you get? Macrumors and all other blogger yahoos out there will now start falling over each other to be the first to report every single perceived flaw, regardless of newsworthiness.

Folks, as a film critic, I can tell you that Harry Knowles and his penchant for jumping on every rumor that got slipped his way... absolutely reduced his credibility to ash. He got caught on more than one occasion reporting false rumors that were deliberately planted by anonymous tipsters just to set him up and expose him as a big fraud. He also further damaged his credibility by lavishing a screenplay with praise, which it happens was written by one of his contributors. He also took a hit for ignoring embargo rules we critics agree upon in order to get access to things the studios are under no obligation to grant us... and he is banned from 20th Century Fox screenings. He went very quickly from being a big powerbroker to a fat twerp whose back was crushed by 1200 pounds of his comic/movie memorabilia (pronounced: "hubris")... and in the interim, others have quickly taken his place.

It's fun to bitch about things, and I know that's the Cause célèbre of the internet generation... but when one resorts to turning every little thing into a very transparent attempt at increasing pageviews at the cost of one's integrity, it doesn't do any better than the Entertainment Weeklys, People Magazines, and other trash rags in terms of the overall dumbing down of society.

That's not a repudiation of legitimate discussion of interesting, substantive speculation... but I do see a trend toward grasping at straws because the stakes have gotten higher. The web is more competitive and ad revenue has been in decline since 2007. Advertisers are getting wise to the meaningless of a LOT of "analytics" data that aren't translating into results. So, the trend has moved toward publishing umpteen "stories" a minute on everything under the sun... just to cast a larger net for pageviews.

So, this generation of people who were going to revolutionize the world... decentralize the information economy... have become servants to the dollar and contributors to the decimation of culture, just like the suits they pretend to abhor.

Hippies didn't vanish from the Earth... they sold out and became silicon valley CEO's.

Um, these problems aren't rumors. They're flaws in design and workmanship. They're also affecting a large group of users.
Your credentials as a movie reviewer are about as useless as a nursing degree in this discussion. These are real issues causing real problems with people doing REAL business on their phones. In my industry a dropped phone call can cost me thousands of dollars by itself from lost business. Let alone, embarrass me. My business revolves around many of these devices, and all apple products. Their products performing like crap while i'm using them in a professional capacity make me look unprofessional and the products we support look unrefined.
You can turn a blind eye and deny, but you don't end up with a good product. Apple is good because we demand it as their long time users, not because we've denied any shortcomings.
 
I was having the proximity sensor problem. I reset all settings and so far it hasn't done it again. It is real and it was driving me crazy. Otherwise, my reception has been fine. 3G has been very speedy. At home where my signal is weak, my 3G speeds are nearly as fast as my wi-fi. Very happy with the phone.
 
Doing you guys think maybe many people are having dropped calls because the proximity issue and not the reception issue? If they are accidently hitting the mute or end button with their cheeks than I can see why people are having some so-called dropped calls. If this is the case than maybe the antenna reception isn't all too bad in the first place.

I know this is what was happening to me last week. I thought i was dropping calls. I had no idea even what a proximity sensor was, so i had no idea this was a problem with the phone other people were having. Haven't had a dropped call since i reset the phone.
 
I'm having a problem with the accelerometer. The phone refuses to change to landscape in photos, texts, web. Yes, I've checked to see if its locked and its not. It'll randomly work sometimes. I hope all these issues are resolved in the next software update.
 
There are problems and then there are problems.
Problems are something that people come together and whine about on forums, but the discussion doesn't spread beyond those boundaries.

Problems are picked up by media worldwide and become watercooler and breakfast table topics.

I'm sure there are problems with this or that Mercedes model, but it's been ages since I read about any problems with them. I think the last time was in the 90's when it was discovered that their A-series cars would flip over if you made a sharp turn. I have however read plenty about the major problems that Toyota is having.

The proximity sensor issue, for now, is merely a problem.
The antenna issue is a problem and has attracted attention accordingly. On the day the news about the antenna broke, I found it impossible to visit any mainstream news sites without reading about it. I regularly check CNN, BBC News, Aftonbladet and Dagens Nyheter (the latter two are Swedish newspapers). All of them had headlines about the iPhone 4 antenna issue on their front page that day. So please stop fooling yourself into thinking it's just some pesky little discussion confined to obscure tech geek forums. This one has gone Toyota on Apple.

No...it hasn't gone "Toyota" not even in the SLIGHTEST bit. Most ignorant analogy I have seen yet. Whats next...this is Apples "Tylenol'? LOL!!! That is obviously where you would like for it to go. It was picked up by major media after their tech reporters saw it on these techie blogs. They jumped on it and said there may be something there...but by and large the major media did their story and have been done with it. The Toyota story was a major headline EVERY DAY for weeks and you think this is comparable????...get real.

The Antenna is working exactly how Apple engineers knew it would when they designed it. You may not like the way they designed it and you are happy to return it.
 
I have had major issues with this. I have to use a Bluetooth if I don't want this happening.
 
yeah...

I have the proximity issue...every time I move the phone from my ear to end a call, the screen goes black...doesnt show me the call but the person is still there. Have to use the lock-screen button up top to end the call. Tried the settings thing, no good. Hope they have a fix.
 
Maybe a problem with upgrade from 3G?

I have definitely had this problem from day one.

Have recently been scouring various fora in search of an explanation, and whilst none is forthcoming, it does strike me that a vast majority of users who have this issue restored from a backup -- usually their previous iPhone, which in this strange case is almost always a 3G.

So, perhaps an informal poll:

If you ARE having the proximity sensor issue, did you upgrade from an iPhone 3G (not 3GS)?
 
The Antenna is working exactly how Apple engineers knew it would when they designed it. You may not like the way they designed it and you are happy to return it.

Apparenty engineers expent some of their time loosing the prototypes in beer bars, perhaps for that reason i4 has not been tested enough...
 
It is software

I have the problem with a iPhone 3G - but not from the beginning.
It started with some version of iPhoneOS 3.
Later versions including iOS4 made it better but did not completely fix it.
 
Having the issue as well.

Reminds me of Toyota/Lexus last year. They used to build some of the most reliable cars, then they got arrogant and would not listen to customers. Everything was a non issue - or is was "by design" until it wasn't and had to recall tens of thousands of vehicles.
 
I have the proximity issue intermittently. I have done the reset all settings and also have done a complete restore and have set up the phone from the ground up and not from a backup. The problem persists intermittently as before.
 
Greatly exaggerated

I'm getting a little tired of these kind of reports. These problems that people are talking about are maybe 2% of the people that bought the phone. Yes that's a large group of people, but that's because so many people have already bought it.

As far as the antenna "problem" goes I know a lot of people who can make it do it, but it's something they have to specifically try to do, it's not normally a problem with just holding it normally, and even so not once has anyone dropped a call with it doing that. I've tried really hard to make mine drop a call because of that, and it just doesn't happen. Yes people are still dropping a lot of calls, but do you remember what network it's on? Surprise surprise, the iPhone 4 did not fix AT&T...

As far as the proximity sensor, I have also had a lot of experience with people having that problem but 100% of them were solved by either doing a settings reset, or in the worst cases just restoring the phone and setting it up as new. It seems like the only problem with it (and it's really just upgrading to iOS 4, not necessarily the phone) is that it doesn't really like backups from 3.1.3 or older. If you set it up as a new device and sync all your data over, it is almost flawless. Yes Apple should have made it so it accepted previous backups a little better, but it's really not that big of a deal to set it up as a new phone.

P.S. If you do actually have a problem that you can show is not just a software issue (they have sold 1.7 million +, there are going to be a few that are defective.... go figure) then all you have to do is set up a genius bar appointment and they'll give you a new one. Just have evidence that you have tried everything else. This is the same Apple we all know and love, they haven't changed.
 
Maybe Apple was right about the reception issue just being the bars screwing up and that the reason people are getting failed calls is because of the proximity sensor instead.
 
Jesus, one gets the feeling Apple really rushed the iPhone 4 out of China's factory without any proper testing.

Well, if someone hadn't stolen the prototype from a bar they might have been able to test more thoroughly! ;)
 
I'm having this issue, unfortunately, like the antenna issue, I think it's also a design problem. They moved the proximity sensor to accommodate facetime. For me, where it used to be is always pressed right to my face, but where it is now, is usually tipped back from my head a bit because you don't want the speaker crammed right into your ear canal. They need to either bump up the sensitivity in software to fix it, or find a new location for it.

I love how you people keep saying this. If it was such a design problem then EVERY ONE would have these issues..... I don't.... many don't. Not saying people aren't having issues, not saying (to them) these issues are a "big deal", just saying issues are in the minority IMHO.
 
No...it hasn't gone "Toyota" not even in the SLIGHTEST bit.
Yes it has. You can flail your arms helplessly all you want but it's not going to change anything.

but by and large the major media did their story and have been done with it. The Toyota story was a major headline EVERY DAY for weeks and you think this is comparable????...get real.
Sure. They moved on after 24 hrs, just like that.
Oh wait...
CNN 06/28: The iPhone 4 Death Grip Saga
CNN 06/28: Will iPhone 4's woes help Android?
CNN 06/29: Lawyers seek iPhone 4 Death Grip victims
CNN 06/30: Zing! Droid ad mocks iPhone's 'handling issues'
CNN 07/01: How bad is the iPhone 4's signal loss?
CNN 07/01: Apple PR: Steve Jobs iPhone 4 'conversation' is a fake
CNN 07/02: "Apple admits iPhone 4 reception issues, says fix is coming"
CNN 07/02: 'Stunned' Apple to fix iPhone signal bug
CNN 07/02: Death Grip: Apple blames the bars
CNN 07/03: Diagram: The iPhone 4's lost bars

Why, it's like it never happened.

The Antenna is working exactly how Apple engineers knew it would when they designed it.
Uh-doyyyyyy. Yes, that was never the question. The question is, what were they thinking?

You may not like the way they designed it and you are happy to return it.
It has yet to go on sale in my part of the world, so I'm not one of the unfortunate guinea pigs. Apple has until July 23 to sort out this mess as far as I'm concerned.
 
P.S. If you do actually have a problem that you can show is not just a software issue (they have sold 1.7 million +, there are going to be a few that are defective.... go figure) then all you have to do is set up a genius bar appointment and they'll give you a new one.

Looks like you've done everything but actually listening to what other users are saying. I, for one, have had my phone replaced. The new one behaves exactly the same. The same can be said for MANY users who have had the issue with multiple handsets.

In my case, the new phone behaved exactly the same straight out of the box...before I even attempted to sync it with iTunes or restore any data. The guy at the Genius Bar put my SIM in it an sent me on my way. My first phone call with it--before any attempt to restore it--exhibited the same problem.
 
I've owned every iPhone since the first gen in 2007 and my iPhone 4.POS is the first one to have an issue with the proximity sensor. I tried Apple's BS fix and it did not work. I guess I'll be a sucker and hold out for a software update "in the next few weeks." Apple I loved you and then you screwed me like this! Why? Why? lol :p:confused:
 
Yes it has. You can flail your arms helplessly all you want but it's not going to change anything.


Sure. They moved on after 24 hrs, just like that.
Oh wait...
CNN 06/28: The iPhone 4 Death Grip Saga
CNN 06/28: Will iPhone 4's woes help Android?
CNN 06/29: Lawyers seek iPhone 4 Death Grip victims
CNN 06/30: Zing! Droid ad mocks iPhone's 'handling issues'
CNN 07/01: How bad is the iPhone 4's signal loss?
CNN 07/01: Apple PR: Steve Jobs iPhone 4 'conversation' is a fake
CNN 07/02: "Apple admits iPhone 4 reception issues, says fix is coming"
CNN 07/02: 'Stunned' Apple to fix iPhone signal bug
CNN 07/02: Death Grip: Apple blames the bars
CNN 07/03: Diagram: The iPhone 4's lost bars

Why, it's like it never happened.


Uh-doyyyyyy. Yes, that was never the question. The question is, what were they thinking?


It has yet to go on sale in my part of the world, so I'm not one of the unfortunate guinea pigs. Apple has until July 23 to sort out this mess as far as I'm concerned.

Who is flailing there arms? I am just sitting here laughing my ass off at the trolls and cliffjumpers who cant for the life of them make their new toy work the way they want.

Hmmmm...nothing new reported by "mainstream media" since 07/03. Lets see how many mainstream frontpage stories are done from here on out. As much as you want it to it wont happen. This story has died except for techie blogs.

When Apple decides to release an "update" there will be more news for a day or two and again it will die down.
 
or that the sensors failed to turn the display back on after a call, resulting in a black screen.

My 3GS has always done this on occassion from day 1, but never on my 1st gen. The screen won't light back up no matter what the length of my phone call is, even if I tilt it or shake it. It is MOST frustrating when I call someone and their voicemail comes on. I'm unable to hang up and they end up getting a voicemail of me grunting as I'm scrambling, trying to hard reboot the phone. :D It has been a real problem for me though, as it takes forever for the :apple: to go away as it reboots. I always assumed it was an app conflicting or something (my old Treo thinking) but I'm not a heavy app user. :mad: Just so relieved I sat the 4g out, I would have been majorly ticked if I still had that problem--it was the only reason I was going to upgrade!
 
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