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P.S. I'm not saying there's no issue here... but there is a reason that reputable, major news outlets with real journalists tend to wait and check sources and statistics.

Yes you are. That's exactly what you're saying. Read your post.

You seem to be so identified with the brand "Apple" that you believe that people should report nothing negative about the company. Even when there is substantial evidence that this is happening.

That is not good journalism.

The "reception" problem is real, and seems to be massive. The "proximity" problem seems to affect a large number of phones, although not all of them. The "hacking" problem affects far fewer people, but potentially affects millions (and MR did downplay this).

All of these stories are not only genuine news issues that MR *should* have reported on; they are also stories that MR would have been irresponsible had MR *not* reported upon them.
 
LOL, was playing with the iPhone 4 yesterday at the 14th street Apple store and the thing is a POS. No offense, but I was trying to do facetime and the phone literally crashed in my friends hands immediately.

I've done SEVERAL facetime calls and they have all been FLAWLESS. Then again, I also haven't dropped one call, have a perfect screen, and don't have sensor issues. This is by far the best phone out right now, and I wouldn't want anything else. You might want to consider the fact that you were sharing a wifi network with EVERYONE in the apple store. Considering how packed those stores are these days, it shouldn't be too big of a shock that there was an issue.

Why don't you try and get a video call up and running on an EVO without it taking you a bare minimum of at least 30 minutes finicking with settings, and even IF you get it up and running, you're not gonna like it. The EVO's video calling feature is god awful.

I'll countdown to the inevitable 5 to 10 people in here calling me a liar for saying I haven't had any issues.
 
apple support says its a hardware prob

Spoke with apple support- and they said it was a hardware problem. Went into apple and got a new one. Same problem with the new one.
 
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slackpacker said:
Its all in the way you hold the phone - to your ear. Quite a few of the videos how users with the phone at a 25 deg to 45 deg angle away from the head while using and complaining about the problem. I think quite a few of these issues would go away if they were holding the phone normally close to the face.

What, so I can get the entire screen oily? I hold the phone angled slightly out from my face, just like I did with the 3GS and the 3G before that. Only difference is, with this iPhone 4, doing so turns the screen back on. With the 3GS and 3G, that never happened. Not once.
 
This is the new blogging paradigm. Gizmodo and all other blogger morons are on a warpath because Apple has gone from being the underdog to being the establishment. The last straw was Gizmodo being scorned for taking their tabloid blogging (read: NOT JOURNALISM) too far... limiting opportunities for the rumor mill.

Combine that with Independence Day, slow news week, and Apple surpassing MS market cap (going from underdog to zeitgeist)... and what do you get? Macrumors and all other blogger yahoos out there will now start falling over each other to be the first to report every single perceived flaw, regardless of newsworthiness.

Folks, as a film critic, I can tell you that Harry Knowles and his penchant for jumping on every rumor that got slipped his way... absolutely reduced his credibility to ash. He got caught on more than one occasion reporting false rumors that were deliberately planted by anonymous tipsters just to set him up and expose him as a big fraud. He also further damaged his credibility by lavishing a screenplay with praise, which it happens was written by one of his contributors. He also took a hit for ignoring embargo rules we critics agree upon in order to get access to things the studios are under no obligation to grant us... and he is banned from 20th Century Fox screenings. He went very quickly from being a big powerbroker to a fat twerp whose back was crushed by 1200 pounds of his comic/movie memorabilia (pronounced: "hubris")... and in the interim, others have quickly taken his place.

It's fun to bitch about things, and I know that's the Cause célèbre of the internet generation... but when one resorts to turning every little thing into a very transparent attempt at increasing pageviews at the cost of one's integrity, it doesn't do any better than the Entertainment Weeklys, People Magazines, and other trash rags in terms of the overall dumbing down of society.

That's not a repudiation of legitimate discussion of interesting, substantive speculation... but I do see a trend toward grasping at straws because the stakes have gotten higher. The web is more competitive and ad revenue has been in decline since 2007. Advertisers are getting wise to the meaningless of a LOT of "analytics" data that aren't translating into results. So, the trend has moved toward publishing umpteen "stories" a minute on everything under the sun... just to cast a larger net for pageviews.

So, this generation of people who were going to revolutionize the world... decentralize the information economy... have become servants to the dollar and contributors to the decimation of culture, just like the suits they pretend to abhor.

Hippies didn't vanish from the Earth... they sold out and became silicon valley CEO's.

P.S. I'm not saying there's no issue here... but there is a reason that reputable, major news outlets with real journalists tend to wait and check sources and statistics. The game of being first is a double-edged sword. If you built your business on an image of credibility, it can damage your credibility... and thus cost you your readers. On the other hand, if you have no credibility to begin with... then it's no problem. Teenie boppers and net retards will continue to get you pageviews... If that's all you aspire to, it's not that hard to regurgitate flaky **** you heard on the grapevine.

Journalism takes work, though. Yes, I know... it's tough. But it's rewarding. Maybe not monetarily... but intellectually. It really feels good to actually create something. But in this day and age of the Entitlement Generation's endless rationalization of plagiarism and piracy, I can see how most bloggers might have no frame of reference for that.

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The settings reset worked like a charm for me. I had the problem but it has never happened again since doing the reset settings fix.
 
I have this problem all the time. I've owned a 3G and the original iPhone and have never experienced this before, so I know it's not me.

I actually have the issue and after hanging on up on a couple of folks 6-8 times during a call (actually thought the call was dropped by ATT at first) realized I was not getting the signal lost/call failed screen.

I made an appt. with the Genius Bar and the "kid" tested the sensor, admitted it had been moved and that replacing the phone wouldn't fit the issue. It appears that if your ear doesn't keep complete contact with the sensor, well you have issues. Not in all fairness I only notice it or it only happens when I have the phone craddling between my face/chin and my shoulder, which would explain the phone moving around losing contact with the sensor. Never had this problem on the 1st g or 3GS. Of course I didn't have the issue after I made the appt. with the genius,but I could clearly show him on the call history that there were issues.

Can this be fixed with a software update? Not sure. Perhaps the sensor is too sensitive or is it not sensitive enough?

BTW: I don't have the "dealth grip" issue.:eek:
 
Totally unhelpful, but I upgrades from a 3GS.. But I don't get any of the proximity issues.

Or significant reception issues. (o2, uk) I'd laugh if much of the hung calls have been due to this problem and not the antenna one. How many people have we seen who took theirs back because of the dropped calls?
 
I've done SEVERAL facetime calls and they have all been FLAWLESS. Then again, I also haven't dropped one call, have a perfect screen, and don't have sensor issues. This is by far the best phone out right now, and I wouldn't want anything else. You might want to consider the fact that you were sharing a wifi network with EVERYONE in the apple store. Considering how packed those stores are these days, it shouldn't be too big of a shock that there was an issue.

Why don't you try and get a video call up and running on an EVO without it taking you a bare minimum of at least 30 minutes finicking with settings, and even IF you get it up and running, you're not gonna like it. The EVO's video calling feature is god awful.

I'll countdown to the inevitable 5 to 10 people in here calling me a liar for saying I haven't had any issues.

Did a Facetime call with a friend whose wireless router must be really slow because that is the only time I've had an issue with making Facetime calls. Works like a charm.
 
Hardware issue

I was told by Apple Care that it was a hardware issue. I kept muting people I was trying to talk to; very annoying. They arranged to replace it. This is my third iPhone 4. Haven't noticed it yet on the newest replacement.
 
I have lucked out with the suppossed antenna problems in fact I get better reception with my 4 than I ever did with 3GS, HOWEVE, prox. sensor is a different story I have had major issues with turning on speaker phone an hitting numbers while talking, that being said it only happens when I hold the phone between shoulder and face (redneck hands free lol) so I would suspect (and hope) that this is a simple sensitivity issue that can be fixed with a software update. I love my iPhone 4 it has been a major step up from 3GS but I do agree that Apple rushed the production of this phone, with no doubt in my mind because of all the leaked reports of it.


I guess it's either the bad reception or the proximity problem. Do you get a choice when picking your minute and text plans..;)
 
Sadly I've been having this problem as well. I was on the phone multiple times this weekend and the phone would randomly switch to mute. If they don't fix these problems soon the FTC will Make apple do a recall

How can the FTC do that?
 
My wife's iP4 does this, we did the reset, and it still happens. She is pretty annoyed. I really think this issue is far worse than the bars thing.
 
I'm getting a little tired of these kind of reports. These problems that people are talking about are maybe 2% of the people that bought the phone.

What I'm getting tired of is people trying to downplay these issues. Your 2% figure has no standing whatsoever. It could be 2%, it could be 52% or 82%. What we know is that contrary to Apple Inc's inconsistent actions about these defects, large number of customers reported and documented problems. After failing to be honest and considerate, whatever Apple Inc will accept will not matter for a lot of customers and potential buyers. Many lost trust in Apple.

You stand for a point that even Apple doesn't seem to believe. For Apple, it's about not losing face and saving money from expensive litigation and recalls. What's your excuse?
 
No...it hasn't gone "Toyota" not even in the SLIGHTEST bit. Most ignorant analogy I have seen yet. Whats next...this is Apples "Tylenol'? LOL!!! That is obviously where you would like for it to go. It was picked up by major media after their tech reporters saw it on these techie blogs. They jumped on it and said there may be something there...but by and large the major media did their story and have been done with it. The Toyota story was a major headline EVERY DAY for weeks and you think this is comparable????...get real.

The Antenna is working exactly how Apple engineers knew it would when they designed it. You may not like the way they designed it and you are happy to return it.

Please explain to us exactly how apple designed this antenna to work, and how it's working?
 
I guess it's either the bad reception or the proximity problem.
Great. One hardware component (the antenna) utterly rejects proximity and the other (the proximity sensor) demands that you glue the phone to your skin. Maybe they should've named it "iCatch-22".
 
Get a grip. I'll demolish these for you. From the first link:

"Apple has admitted reception problems with its iPhones..."

False. Apple did not. Please read the one and only real Apple released PR letter. And there are more errors, which I will skip of course.

From the second link:

"...every time an user holds his iPhone 4 by the side, the signal gets lost because the fingers blocked the antenna vents..."

What antenna vents?

From the third link:

Please point me to anything released by Apple that reads:

"...This is a fact of life for every wireless phone. If you ever experience this on your Phone 4, avoid gripping it in the lower left corner in a way that covers both sides of the black strip in the metal band, or simply use one of many available cases...."

From the fourth link:

"iPhone 4 is disaster for loyal operator supporters..."

Hardly newsworthy is it.

And here's one part of the last link:

"...The latest rumored reason for the reception issue with the smartphone is the absence of an insulating coating on the phone’s antenna..."

Another rumor? Great. More junk.

In short: Fabricated quotes and more rumors. Pieces of junk. So much for credibility.
 
Please point me to anything released by Apple that reads:

"...This is a fact of life for every wireless phone. If you ever experience this on your Phone 4, avoid gripping it in the lower left corner in a way that covers both sides of the black strip in the metal band, or simply use one of many available cases...."

This is a quote from an email sent from SJ. It was mentioned in a front page MR article.
 
I don't know how many more complaints I can handle, its getting a wee bit repetitive now. I feel its to the point where every minor glitch at least three people have is announced as a manufacturing error in which we "Have yet to hear Apple make a comment on".

hey bud ask yourself why your getting defensive... there is no reason that you should take other peoples issues personally! if someone is having problems you coming here and minimizing does nothing but make you look like an apple shill. these forums are a place to share good and bad experiences with the iPhone 4. if your phone works well then go post your positive experience in one of the many threads that are on here.

minor glitch LOL...
 
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