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I've been with Apple since the release of the IIe so I am with you. I have seen the ups and downs over the years, that's inevitable with any company. But I have never seen the amount of negative publicity as the last year has brought. I bought a 13" rMBP 2015 version recently to replace a 9 year old 13" MBP and I did it because the recent "update" to me was an overpriced underwhelming release of gear I wasn't impressed with. And I did need to replace the old rig. The fanbois are here, as expected, but it surprises me how many more dissatisfied folks are posting. Yes, we do seem to entering that moment. I am there now.
My husband pulled the IIe out of storage and set it up again a couple of years ago when we moved and he got a bigger home office. It still works! It still runs all but one of his games. The kids are amazed by it. They make fun of it and then get sucked into playing some of his old games (under eagle eye supervision...otherwise nobody is allowed to touch it.).

We gave our 2009 MBP to a family friend and it is still going strong. We have assorted really old and slightly older laptops and desktops from Apple still running well.

But this year has been a complete and utter mess. For crying out loud we switched to Android. That actually shocked a lot of people because my husband was a very vocal hater of Android until this year. I switched first and he followed and was pleasantly surprised. Now we also have Microsoft stuff slowly invading our home and his business.

Come on Apple, bring us back. All you have to do is be what you were, a company dedicated to making the best user experience for your customers. The profits will still follow even if you stop cheaping out on components and construction, like you did on IPhone 6 and caused "touch disease".
 
...AND "Can't innovate anymore, my ass!" - Phil Schiller, Mac Pro 2013 announcement.

Phill Schiller is a dumb person. What he said about the audio out jack (now it's missing digital out) and the missing SD card slot was far away from reality about how the customers are using their products. He speaks about something he isn't even aware of. Apple is now a company that doesn't even know how their customers are using their products. This explains some recent design decisions.
 
I had the same issue with my 2015 13" MBP since I bought it. Logic board was replaced and it works fine now.
 
Apple was pressured to release a brand new MBP a year ago so they rushed to get this one out. No time to test it. We are to blame for pushing Apple to ship a new MBP so quick since the last launch.
And yet all of these problems are showing up within a few weeks after release. That doesn't make sense that users get stuck with this crap within the first few weeks or even days of ownership when Apple had a year of working on this. And Apple has never let customers dictate to it before. If they did, there would have been a new Mac Pro by now.
 
we are back to 2011 mbp and imacs with the faulty AMD graphics chip, that one took a few years to show up the issue, this is a new record for apple; faulty graphics chip from day one!!
 
This almost certainly affects a tiny, tiny minority of people. Probably less than 0.01% of all purchases. Let's not blow things out of proportion, and we all know Apple will make things right for the unlucky few.
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A few defective MacBook Pros doesn't change a single thing.
Specs aside - this seems like using an electric snowblower on 2 feet of slush. Get a "truck".
 
I would never buy one of these junky new MBPs. I'd have no confidence it'd last 5 minutes let alone all the missing functionality.
 
Okay...I have the new Macbook Pro 13 with Touchbar. It's a STUNNING machine. No issues. My friend is running 4K video via Final Cut with no issues. How many haters here actually OWN one of these? You sound like a bunch of babies. I've got a loaded Macbook Air and the 2014 15" pro and I'm shocked at how much nicer the new machine is. Sure, it should be 200 bucks cheaper, but the screen is the best I've seen. I'm processing Nikon D810 pics and this is really a sweet laptop.

So far so good. Almost everyone here does NOT have a 2016 Macbook Pro, and they are crying the loudest. Get it?


R.
You obviously missed some posts from owners.
 
Are we to believe that they were too arrogant to even test these configurations with Adobe Media Encoder, and related apps? Or do they just test all their new hardware with FCPX??? This is mind boggling, Apple! Get it together!

Well these are their Macs for Power users... they're new Power users are Kardashians and Chinese Fashionistas... AME, AfterEffects, etc are not the apps today's Apple power user uses...

More like "MAC Makeup how you look" editor or "SelfieManager"... those are power user tools
 
Did not take long for me to find an Apple apologist..

Well they do have a point. I mean how many users out there can we expect to install adobe for video work? <end sarcasm>


This not even a vague sub feature of adobe ffs. Video encoding....one of the most common tasks done. You'd think a company with their profits would have some money to go out and buy a few adobe subs for testing. Hell...buy some avid up to.
 
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always funny to see this. Wanna list all your apple devices too?
Well I fit Mark's profile and agree with him (would make the same post)... and been a Apple loyalist since the first West Coast Computer Faire where as a 12-year old electronics nut Woz chatted with me about their new machine.

At any given point in time I have an Apple device from every category they make... Currently in the house (yeah my partner is annoyed):

MBP - 2008, 2009, 2014, 2016 coming Tues
MBA - 2012
MB - 2015
MP - Fully loaded 2013 trash can (I'm a minority in the fan base of these)
iPad - 2, 3, Air 2
iPad Mini - 2, 4
iPad Pro - 12"
iPhone - Day 1, 3G, 3GS, 4S, 5, 5s, 6s (skipping the 7)
iPod - Day 1, nano gen 1,4,5, day 1 touch gen 1,4,5, shuffle

Oh an throw some additional Apple shade your way I've dated women that both Jobs and Woz have...

So I guess you could call that the ultimate "inside Apple" connection.

Anyway... the OP has a valid (and IMO) correct statement... regardless of if they never have purchased a single Apple product or like me have a virtual Apple store location in their home.
 
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So for someone who's still waiting for the new models to be available in a local store, is it still a good idea to buy one of the 2016 models? Or should I just go for last refresh of the 15" from 2015 (with the 4th gen. CPU and RadeonR9)?

They have discounted the early-2015 15" a bit, so price-wise it costs the same as a 2016 13" 16GB/512GB MBP.

Or would the 2015 version of the 13" MBP (5th gen CPU) be a better choice?
 
My husband pulled the IIe out of storage and set it up again a couple of years ago when we moved and he got a bigger home office. It still works! It still runs all but one of his games. The kids are amazed by it. They make fun of it and then get sucked into playing some of his old games (under eagle eye supervision...otherwise nobody is allowed to touch it.).

We gave our 2009 MBP to a family friend and it is still going strong. We have assorted really old and slightly older laptops and desktops from Apple still running well.

But this year has been a complete and utter mess. For crying out loud we switched to Android. That actually shocked a lot of people because my husband was a very vocal hater of Android until this year. I switched first and he followed and was pleasantly surprised. Now we also have Microsoft stuff slowly invading our home and his business.

Come on Apple, bring us back. All you have to do is be what you were, a company dedicated to making the best user experience for your customers. The profits will still follow even if you stop cheaping out on components and construction, like you did on IPhone 6 and caused "touch disease".

My 2010 MacBook Pro screen is going :( it has a band of red pixels down the screen :(

Otherwise I would of stuck another SSD in place of the SuperDrive, changed the battery and the fans.
 
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Did not take long for me to find an Apple apologist..

did not take long to find an apple doom and gloomer.

Theses machines have issues. The same issues the 2012 did when they were released. Apple did not make a great big out reach about them then and I doubt they do that now.

I have not personally seen any tearing of the graphics.

I see the driver rainbow on boot with file vault turned on.

So what the issues I have no idea. I hope apple figures it out does a recall or if it is software that it gets patched and patched quick

I would give them time to respond before I go all doom and gloom.

But hey I will now be called an apple apologist cause I think they should get the chance to fix it before I hit them with the pitch form.
 
400 comments later and most still dont know by now that it is actually not a hardware issue but 3rd party apps/sloppy coding in these apps and even Apple photos app that is causing these issues.

So no not a hardware problem but another dumb pretty ***** glitch that now needs to be fixed
 
Of course they do. Fanboys are currently testing the first few computers, and even paying for it. - After they are finished with testing, the mass production is going to start.
This made me LOL!!!

And then there are those people here who say they won't touch Windows with a 10-foot pole because of all the problems so they buy a Mac! :oops:
This is so true. Apple's legacy is helping right now. People seem to discount whatever faults Apple has but are very vocal when it comes to Dell or any other manufacturer. All manufacturers seem to have their share of problems...the only difference is how much money you are willing to pay to experience all that pain.
 
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Not to mention the same fiasco with the early '08 MBP and the Nvidia 8600m.
I would say I have not forgotten I have a 2012 that is still not right even after the "repair". I think the difference here is we are seeing tearing on screens that are not spun up to the DGPU. These are IGPU errors from outward appearance. The 2012 would crash on the video hand off. Then when you went to force DGPU it would video tear bad.

Been there done that. I was hoping this one would be different. I am sitting here typing on a 15 2016 and I am hoping on hope that this is just some poorly made driver like the audio issue that gets an update goes away and we all never hear of this again. I hope on hope or come jan 7 this machine will be back in the hands of apple. I can not walk around again with another bomb of a computer just waiting to go off on me.
 
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